Duke/UNC Official Thread 2021/2022 (K’s Last Hurrah Edition)

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VolInNW said:
I doubt either of us will change the other's mind. :cool::cool:;)

That said, I never called him an 'egotistical maniac', I have simply stated that I believe the major factor of his decision to go on his retirement tour was for the attention and adoration. As for his statements, heck, Saban makes those kind of coachspeak statements all the time, but it is pretty darned obvious that Saban's ego is monumental. K is a smart man, and makes the appropriate coachspeak statements. But he, likewise, strikes me as possessing a monumental ego. Doesn't make him a 'maniac' or 'narcissist', but it does make him, in my opinion, a very prideful and ego-driven person who adored all of the attention and praise he received during the tour.

Many Dook fans see him as largely a humble, altruistic man who endured the retirement tour for the benefit of the program, and hated all the attention.

I'm just glad it is over, and pretty psyched we have the last two meetings forever as dubs against him.

What will @RDU VOL#14 call the thread next year......THAT is the $1MM question!!!
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Dudleys87 said:
Well that just isnt allowed in todays game. Shame on you Scheyer!


Only kidding.
Good for him.
Now he has to find time to play them all.
Easier said then done.
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Kas232323 said:
Here’s a question….even though I normally don’t respond to trolls. Strictly from a financial perspective - was our financial ROI better in Barnes’ years with a $5MM salary or was the b-ball athletic department financially better under Buzz with a lesser salary? It isn’t about the cost of a salary….it’s all about the investment and the return on that investment. And I’m not even talking about the massive on court performance improvement…..
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My guess is a sweet 16 exit for Duke…Duke should hit the transfer portal to find defense and experience instead of relying on one and done, that’s why UNC passed them up
 
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VolInNW said:
I doubt either of us will change the other's mind. :cool::cool:;)

That said, I never called him an 'egotistical maniac', I have simply stated that I believe the major factor of his decision to go on his retirement tour was for the attention and adoration. As for his statements, heck, Saban makes those kind of coachspeak statements all the time, but it is pretty darned obvious that Saban's ego is monumental. K is a smart man, and makes the appropriate coachspeak statements. But he, likewise, strikes me as possessing a monumental ego. Doesn't make him a 'maniac' or 'narcissist', but it does make him, in my opinion, a very prideful and ego-driven person who adored all of the attention and praise he received during the tour.

Many Dook fans see him as largely a humble, altruistic man who endured the retirement tour for the benefit of the program, and hated all the attention.

I'm just glad it is over, and pretty psyched we have the last two meetings forever as dubs against him.

What will @RDU VOL#14 call the thread next year......THAT is the $1MM question!!!
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Ok, so besides your theory on why he did his retirement the way he did it, what examples do you have for him to be “very prideful” and an “ego-driven person”?
 
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Voltime123 said:
My guess is a sweet 16 exit for Duke…Duke should hit the transfer portal to find defense and experience instead of relying on one and done, that’s why UNC passed them up
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1. Beating them isn’t “passing them up”
2. That’s not at all why lol
3. Duke had a really good defense this year generally
4. Only 2 of Duke’s 5 starters were freshmen
 
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NashVol11 said:
1. Beating them isn’t “passing them up”
2. That’s not at all why lol
3. Duke had a really good defense this year generally
4. 3 of Duke’s 5 starters weren’t freshmen
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You could argue Duke isn’t even on UNC level which team has more championships? And which coach has more final fours currently now that Hubert has one on his resume and K retired….Duke has been getting one and dones for the longest so winning recruiting championships is kinda a falsehood in comparing which teams have done more so far…
 
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Voltime123 said:
You could argue Duke isn’t even on UNC level which team has more championships? And which coach has more final fours currently now that Hubert has one on his resume and K retired….Duke has been getting one and dones for the longest so winning recruiting championships is kinda a falsehood in comparing which teams have done more so far…
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That 57 Frank McGuire team really was outstanding wasn’t it? Maybe in 2 years the Heels will invite back the Great Great Grandkids of the players to celebrate the 1924 “National Championship” Helms Foundation Cup thing that hangs in the rafters of the Smith Center.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
That 57 Frank McGuire team really was outstanding wasn’t it? Maybe in 2 years the Heels will invite back the Great Great Grandkids of the players to celebrate the 1924 “National Championship” Helms Foundation Cup thing that hangs in the rafters of the Smith Center.
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Lol you can argue the validity of history all you want but the ncaa recognizes it so therefore your opinion on it is invalid…The UNC coach made it to the final four in his first year and beat coach k twice, sheyer has a ways to go to match it…that can’t be argued
 
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Voltime123 said:
Lol you can argue the validity of history all you want but the ncaa recognizes it so therefore your opinion on it is invalid…The UNC coach made it to the final four in his first year and beat coach k twice, sheyer has a ways to go to match it…that can’t be argued
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Lets just hope recruiting gets better under Davis before we start throwing around going to FFs and or championships otherwise its going to get ugly quickly.
 
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Voltime123 said:
Lol you can argue the validity of history all you want but the ncaa recognizes it so therefore your opinion on it is invalid…The UNC coach made it to the final four in his first year and beat coach k twice, sheyer has a ways to go to match it…that can’t be argued
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Duke and UNC have won the same amount of titles in the past 40 years and the same amount in the past 20. I don’t think anyone can make a compelling argument that one is above the other right now. It’s impossible for Scheyer to match what Hubert did as far as the opportunities beat a HOF coach who had won 5 National Titles and been to more Final 4’s than any Coach in history. The only thing that will be important next year when Duke beats Carolina will be that Scheyer got his first win over Carolina. It won’t be the fact that he beat Hubert Davis. I don’t care what he did the last 6 weeks, it’s still nothing to write home about .
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Duke and UNC have won the same amount of titles in the past 40 years and the same amount in the past 20. I don’t think anyone can make a compelling argument that one is above the other right now. It’s impossible for Scheyer to match what Hubert did as far as the opportunities beat a HOF coach who had won 5 National Titles and been to more Final 4’s than any Coach in history. The only thing that will be important next year when Duke beats Carolina will be that Scheyer got his first win over Carolina. It won’t be the fact that he beat Hubert Davis. I don’t care what he did the last 6 weeks, it’s still nothing to write home about .
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UNC might get all of their players back from last year minus Manek…Beating UNC will not be an easy task for a young team lol
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Working the portal has to absolutely suck.
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I think it’s bad for basketball, but I think it’s a lot worse for football coaches. Constantly having to recruit guys that are already on your team and worry about keeping everyone happy has to be exhausting.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I think it’s bad for basketball, but I think it’s a lot worse for football coaches. Constantly having to recruit guys that are already on your team and worry about keeping everyone happy has to be exhausting.
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Absolutely agree.

We know that recruiting never slows down and at some points/places is more important than others. I cant imagine the stress levels and work ethic that goes into just one year of it let alone year after year. Constantly having to go back to the guys and see where their head is at and try to get them to stick to the process. Telling new guys they have a place and how they fit in not knowing whether or not theyll be here the following season.

The Advil or Alcohol would get expensive
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Absolutely agree.

We know that recruiting never slows down and at some points/places is more important than others. I cant imagine the stress levels and work ethic that goes into just one year of it let alone year after year. Constantly having to go back to the guys and see where their head is at and try to get them to stick to the process. Telling new guys they have a place and how they fit in not knowing whether or not theyll be here the following season.

The Advil or Alcohol would get expensive
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So would the divorces
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
That 57 Frank McGuire team really was outstanding wasn’t it? Maybe in 2 years the Heels will invite back the Great Great Grandkids of the players to celebrate the 1924 “National Championship” Helms Foundation Cup thing that hangs in the rafters of the Smith Center.
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The fact of the matter is that since Roy Williams took the job at Carolina, UNC has more Final Four appearances and more national championships than Duke.
 
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Voltime123 said:
You could argue Duke isn’t even on UNC level which team has more championships? And which coach has more final fours currently now that Hubert has one on his resume and K retired….Duke has been getting one and dones for the longest so winning recruiting championships is kinda a falsehood in comparing which teams have done more so far…
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UNC tries and fails to get those same one and dones, so then they turn it into “well you better win the national title or you’re a failure” and hope no one notices
 
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Vol423 said:
The fact of the matter is that since Roy Williams took the job at Carolina, UNC has more Final Four appearances and more national championships than Duke.
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That’s true, but it’s not a glaring difference. Duke won in 2001. Roy won in 05 with Doh’s guys and then he had Hansbrough for 4 years when they won in 09. Duke then won it in 2010 and 2015, Roy won in 2017. Since then both teams have been up and down. Both have missed the tournament (you guys don’t get out of the technicality of 2020). I’d say they’re pretty similar.
 
#924
#924
NashVol11 said:
UNC tries and fails to get those same one and dones, so then they turn it into “well you better win the national title or you’re a failure” and hope no one notices
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Is the objective to stack up recruiting accolades and be able to point to a slew of one-and-done players, or is it to make Final Fours and win national championships?
The fact of the matter is that Duke's program was better before Coach K started bringing in all of these one-and-done players. I've had conversations with my dad and a number of friends that I could actually see Duke's program improving over the next 4-8 years under Scheyer as a result of a tail-off of the recruitment of one-and-done players. They could actually start playing cohesive team basketball again. There is no way that Scheyer will be able to manage the egos of one-and-done players as well as Coach K. Even Coach K's results, while still impressive, were not as good in the one-and-done era.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
Ok, so besides your theory on why he did his retirement the way he did it, what examples do you have for him to be “very prideful” and an “ego-driven person”?
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You are absolutely correct. He is neither. He just gives, gives, gives, never takes, and is focused on improving Dook basketball, Dook University, and the human race in general. Unlike every other Power 5 college coach, he is not driven by pride or ego, and is darned near a saint. Dook was lucky to have a pure altruist and beautiful soul like K, and the world is just a little darker since he has retired.

Good grief. While the above was fun to type, I have neither the time nor the inclination to scour the interwebs for specific incidences you would find acceptable and debate ad nauseum whether a successful P5 coach is driven by ego. You find K to be a gentle soul and shaper of young men, unmotivated by ego or personal desire. I do not. Let's just leave it there.
 
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