Early signs of bad coaching in first 5 games.

[Daloth]

Ask yourself. Are we better than last year? The answer is yes, no doubt. Less talent than last year for sure, but a better team. We have 7-8 games left lets see how they play out and resist your temptation to use your pee wee league coaching prowess in judging these guys.

The team last year would beat this one by twenty on talent alone. Don't kid yourself when we were 5 or 6 plays all year from winning the east. Or a decent DC from 5 more years of dooley.

 

[Grand Vol]

I am glad that nobody can tell people what to do on this board. People have different opinions and we still have freedom of speech. How dare you try to be a dictator on this board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think your exclamation point key was stuck on this post.

Might was to get that checked. Like right now mister.

 

[VOL6479]

I agree with the OP. The biggest failure by Jones is not playing the freshmen. Redshirting is only useful if you have a decent starter at QB,WE DON'T! Jones is trying his best to prove he is incompetent. It's working.

Is it a mistake not playing the freshmen maybe does that say Jones is incompetent no. I think we would have seen Ferguson Saturday if game hadn't gotten close. UGA redshirted Murray how'd that work out

 

[crparker21]

I find myself agreeing with northknox on some points. We could play to the strengths of the offense and play a spread pass attack vs this read option. I think it gives us a better chance to win now. Worley is a much better drop back passer where he can set his feet and scan the whole field. When your running left or right you are only playing half the field and when you are not a natural runner its hard to stop and set and deliver. If you want an example of changing the system to meet your personnel see Urban Meyer with Chris Leak. He adjusted and won, then when Tebow came along (ala Ferguson or Dobbs) he began running his offense. I'm not a coach but I am a people manager and you play to the strengths of your people until you build your own team. Its frustrating to me the bullheadedness of this offensive staff. I am very pleased with the defensive coaching.

So you want to pass more when clearly our biggest weakness is our passing game?

:loco:

 

[jtlhotspot]

People who are criticizing Coach Jones need to calm down. Butch has WON everywhere he has gone. Have a little faith guys, ok? He knows what he's doing and he knows the team better than any of us.

 

[landscapingvol]

I will concede that game 1 versus Austin Peay was a well played no penalty football game. Everyone saw that Worley was going to struggle. Nobody got meaningful snaps at back up qb.

game 2 Worley continues to show signs of not performing at sec levels and still nobody gets meaninful snaps at qb.

game 3 you absolutely got hammered by a much better opponent and worley continued to show he could not make it happen....Peterman gets mop up duty vs Oregons 3rd string.

game 4 in the swamp you finally decide it is time to change qb......but you havent given the back up any meaningful playing time.......it backfires and you not only get burned you hold your hand to the fire the entire first half when a Florida team was begging for you to beat them.

game 5 the team starts off great and has a 31-7 lead in the first half...your qb throws 3 picks and gives the little South Alabama team life....then you try a fake field goal which looks like it would have worked but your team didnt execute. You have to punt the football in that situation. Palardy has been good to this point and by that decision you prolly destroy his confidence and give the other team great field position.


Summary we are 3-2 and all of us thought we would be 3-2.........but guys I dont see a football team that is improving from week to week.........we seem to be getting worse and the next few games are going to be brutal.

You and the other mopes keep assuming that the other qb's are better than Worley, based off of what? Have you been to their practices? Are you in a position to judge qb talent? You are scared to start two freshman wr's in the SEC but not a true freshman qb? You aren't very bright.

 

[BigOrangeCrush32]

Damn...OP is the real deal Holyfield...why the Hell did we not hire him as Head Coach...oh yea that's right...Butch has MORE EXPERIENCE AND KNOWS WHAT THE HELL HE IS DOING, SO STFU...sick and tired of these damn, I know more than the actual head coach fans, get back to your regular job bc someone wants fries with that order...F'n loser

 

[BigOrangeCrush32]

You and the other mopes keep assuming that the other qb's are better than Worley, based off of what? Have you been to their practices? Are you in a position to judge qb talent? You are scared to start two freshman wr's in the SEC but not a true freshman qb? You aren't very bright.

No they haven't, but they either slept in a Holiday Inn last night or they beat Oregon and Fla on Xbox or Playstation, so that makes them qualified over someone who has been doing this their whole adult life...

 

[KBVol]

Think about his for a moment..........we are going into our SEC stretch first up in UGA with Worley and 2 frosh whom have never seen the field.........you think Worley might take a hit or 2? Then you are forced to make your redshirt decision without any playing time.......interesting....

Ok, I thought about it. And?.......

 

[volbeast33]

Think about his for a moment..........we are going into our SEC stretch first up in UGA with Worley and 2 frosh whom have never seen the field.........you think Worley might take a hit or 2? Then you are forced to make your redshirt decision without any playing time.......interesting....

Its hard to make a redshirt decision with playing time. LOL

 

[tim]

The team last year would beat this one by twenty on talent alone. Don't kid yourself when we were 5 or 6 plays all year from winning the east. Or a decent DC from 5 more years of dooley.

Out of your effin mind. We were 5-6 plays from 2-10.

 

[1974Vol]

Ask yourself. Are we better than last year? The answer is yes, no doubt. Less talent than last year for sure, but a better team. We have 7-8 games left lets see how they play out and resist your temptation to use your pee wee league coaching prowess in judging these guys.

Well said!:hi:

 

[smokey0625]

I will concede that game 1 versus Austin Peay was a well played no penalty football game. Everyone saw that Worley was going to struggle. Nobody got meaningful snaps at back up qb.

game 2 Worley continues to show signs of not performing at sec levels and still nobody gets meaninful snaps at qb.

game 3 you absolutely got hammered by a much better opponent and worley continued to show he could not make it happen....Peterman gets mop up duty vs Oregons 3rd string.

game 4 in the swamp you finally decide it is time to change qb......but you havent given the back up any meaningful playing time.......it backfires and you not only get burned you hold your hand to the fire the entire first half when a Florida team was begging for you to beat them.

game 5 the team starts off great and has a 31-7 lead in the first half...your qb throws 3 picks and gives the little South Alabama team life....then you try a fake field goal which looks like it would have worked but your team didnt execute. You have to punt the football in that situation. Palardy has been good to this point and by that decision you prolly destroy his confidence and give the other team great field position.


Summary we are 3-2 and all of us thought we would be 3-2.........but guys I dont see a football team that is improving from week to week.........we seem to be getting worse and the next few games are going to be brutal.

Epic fail. Dad, your son needs a Gatorade at his junior pro practice.

Players aren't quitting. We beat USA because we didn't give up. Dooley would have quit after half and blamed Hitler in his post game presser. Worley shows spurts of being a decent qb, but then he has spurts where he looks like you when you try to post about how bad our team is being coached. Go Vawls and beat the dawgs.

 

[WhiteRhino]

All this post does is confirm that OP needs to get a clue......

 

[1974Vol]

The team last year would beat this one by twenty on talent alone. Don't kid yourself when we were 5 or 6 plays all year from winning the east. Or a decent DC from 5 more years of dooley.

Don't know about winning the East but with a good DC (just hold on to Wilcox?) and they may have won as many as 9 games.

 

[livefaith]

I will concede that game 1 versus Austin Peay was a well played no penalty football game. Everyone saw that Worley was going to struggle. Nobody got meaningful snaps at back up qb.

game 2 Worley continues to show signs of not performing at sec levels and still nobody gets meaninful snaps at qb.

game 3 you absolutely got hammered by a much better opponent and worley continued to show he could not make it happen....Peterman gets mop up duty vs Oregons 3rd string.

game 4 in the swamp you finally decide it is time to change qb......but you havent given the back up any meaningful playing time.......it backfires and you not only get burned you hold your hand to the fire the entire first half when a Florida team was begging for you to beat them.

game 5 the team starts off great and has a 31-7 lead in the first half...your qb throws 3 picks and gives the little South Alabama team life....then you try a fake field goal which looks like it would have worked but your team didnt execute. You have to punt the football in that situation. Palardy has been good to this point and by that decision you prolly destroy his confidence and give the other team great field position.


Summary we are 3-2 and all of us thought we would be 3-2.........but guys I dont see a football team that is improving from week to week.........we seem to be getting worse and the next few games are going to be brutal.

You sound like quite the expert. Could you give us at least a general breakdown of the QB performances in the 40+ practices, dozens of team meetings, and position meetings.
I'm sure someone with your football acumen understands the importance of those things as compared to 5 short games. Thanks in advance.

 

[UTVolWarrior98]

I like Butch Jones, I really do and want him to be successful here! Hell, hes a fellow Michigander! But, he has shown me NOTHING special so far. Im actually disappointed in how our team went out like little bee at ches against Oregon and couldn't win against a mediocre FL team that tried to giftwrap the damn game for ya! Then, when I think it cant get any worse, we stink it up and almost lost to S Alabama.....SOUTH ALAMBAMA FOLKS!! I guess my expectation level was way too high for this staff. Oh well, disappointment is all we've known for 5 years...nothing new.

 

[PACKERVOL]

You and the other mopes keep assuming that the other qb's are better than Worley, based off of what? Have you been to their practices? Are you in a position to judge qb talent? You are scared to start two freshman wr's in the SEC but not a true freshman qb? You aren't very bright.

Look at it this way. Butch was hired to win games period. Don't you think if he thought one of the true freshman was a better option than Worley he would already have replaced him? This is his career on the line here! I do wish the game had continued like the first half so Fergy or Dobbs would have gotten a few series under their belts, but it didn't, and Coach Jones went with who he felt was the best option to win the game. I just hope Worley stays healthy for the rest of the year.

 

[sjt18]

Summary we are 3-2 and all of us thought we would be 3-2.........but guys I dont see a football team that is improving from week to week.........we seem to be getting worse and the next few games are going to be brutal.

Opened this thread hoping for something intelligent or at least original... Should have noticed who started it and known better. Just another "Its all Worley's fault" thread.

If some of you "experts" who are VERY quick to question the "football knowledge" of others knew half as much as you thought you knew.... then you'd recognize that more than half the problem with the passing game are because of inexperienced and inconsistent receiver play. Not saying that they are not talented, trying, or improving... only that when receiver run the wrong route, run the route incorrectly, do not finish routes, do not line up correctly, do not make plays on balls, etc... it tends to make the QB look worse than he is.

Maybe one of the Fr are the answer. Who knows outside the coaches?


I do find one thing VERY interesting about some of the posters here. Some of those who are most strongly offended by the suggestion that Jones might not be "the guy" are the quickest to throw boulders at Worley. I guess it could be misconstrued as a way to deflect blame from Jones... but they need to think that through.

Jones opened the competition. At the end, he chose Worley. He gave Peterman a shot and it turned into a disaster. He refuses to give the Fr a shot saying they are not ready. He has expressed faith in Worley on numerous occasions and said the same thing I did in that the blame is to be shared with the receivers. Of the 4 QB's, Worley is the only one he did not recruit and sign or try to sign. Yet he still chose Worley.

You can't have it both ways. Either Jones is the right coach and hope for the future or he's the buffoon who neither knows how to recruit or coach QB's or even how to select the right starter.

 

[LaagerVol]

We could probably save a lot of bandwidth if we had a standard "the sky is falling" thread that could just be bumped every Saturday night. That way all the rest of the chicken little threads wouldn't be necessary.

 

[VolGee4]

The guy makes 3 million a year so he can take some heat...why people always lust over the new coach befuzzles me....There are some hairline cracks in this imaginary wall he is building. He has never built a team from the ground up....he refuses to play either of the 2 elite 11 qbs........what does that tell our recruits.........well if I go to UT he may redshirt me.....play the frosh Butch! And the way he acted when that sideline reporter asked about the frosh..........NO we are not playing them..........

He went 4-8 in his first year at Cincy- so it isn't like he had great talent that first year. Also, tell me what Central Michigan has done since he left. I will give you a hint. His last year, they went 12-2. They followed that up with records of 3-9, 3-9, and 7-6.

Pathetic.

 

[volinbama256]

Until Worley is able to get into some sort of rhythm with his WR's and start completing simple passes, we are toast for the remainder of the season. Nothing else really matters. If we cannot pass, every team from here on out will stack the box and dare us to pass and we with the average to below average way the O line has performed thus far, we will not score points.... ergo we will not win any games. I Like Butch and what he wants to do though, but we just can't get anything put together without that one important piece of the puzzle. What is sad is that with a descent QB, we would be in a whole different position thus far in the season.

 

[govols/cc]

Need to realize AJ is a liability most of the time on defense.

 

[GoobieVol]

Need to realize AJ is a liability most of the time on defense.

On pass coverage I agree 100%. I wish Jerod Mayo would have given him some coverage tips in the offseason.

I just wonder why we don't make more contact with other teams receivers off the line. That is still legal right? And I would think that might make of for some speed deficiencies.

 

[oregonvol]

I will concede that game 1 versus Austin Peay was a well played no penalty football game. Everyone saw that Worley was going to struggle. Nobody got meaningful snaps at back up qb.

game 2 Worley continues to show signs of not performing at sec levels and still nobody gets meaninful snaps at qb.

game 3 you absolutely got hammered by a much better opponent and worley continued to show he could not make it happen....Peterman gets mop up duty vs Oregons 3rd string.

game 4 in the swamp you finally decide it is time to change qb......but you havent given the back up any meaningful playing time.......it backfires and you not only get burned you hold your hand to the fire the entire first half when a Florida team was begging for you to beat them.

game 5 the team starts off great and has a 31-7 lead in the first half...your qb throws 3 picks and gives the little South Alabama team life....then you try a fake field goal which looks like it would have worked but your team didnt execute. You have to punt the football in that situation. Palardy has been good to this point and by that decision you prolly destroy his confidence and give the other team great field position.


Summary we are 3-2 and all of us thought we would be 3-2.........but guys I dont see a football team that is improving from week to week.........we seem to be getting worse and the next few games are going to be brutal.

OMG! How dare you critique coaches if you are not an AD or a coach yourself! You must want them all fired after 5 games! The Horror! The Horror!

j/k

Good post. I think the scariest thing about this season is that Butch Jones doesn't seem to know what to do about the QB situation. There hasn't been a single adjustment that has worked, and it's killing everything else we try to do. The defense can't improve, because it gets so little rest with all the 3 and outs. It's easy to focus on the run when the other team can't even complete a 5 yard pass.

I really wonder what was the thought process in starting Peterman in Gainesville. Did the coaches not realize how bad and ill-prepared he was? Or did they know he was awful and just decided to roll the dice, because they didn't have any other solutions?

Worley hasn't improved at all. I know Kiffin stuck with Crompton and eventually he turned it around, but I don't see any signs of this with Worley. If anything, it seems like he's getting worse, and the play-calling just stays the same. I don't understand it.

Most posters on here want to go on about how this is just installing a system, but how is that system supposed to work if you don't have the players to run it? Do you really think one day Worley is going to be the guy in this system? He's shown no signs of that so far. If someone else has to come in and be the QB to run this system, then why aren't you playing them? If you need new talent to run the system, then why aren't you recruiting it? I just don't see anything to make me believe that someone will be ready to run this system any time in the near future.