Early signs of bad coaching in first 5 games.

[pasadenavol]

Butch has put himself in a no win situation. If Worley does go down and one of the freshman come in and do really well, the the fans will be saying you should have be playing the guy all along. If he comes in and sux they'll be saying you should have gotten him some time earlier.

Yeah, but he's the one that put himself in that position...

 

[albedo33]

We could probably save a lot of bandwidth if we had a standard "the sky is falling" thread that could just be bumped every Saturday night. That way all the rest of the chicken little threads wouldn't be necessary.

Are you guys writing new posts or simply recycling the ones you wrote defending Coach Dooley during his first year? Because most of these posts seem to be word-for-word what I read in 2010!

 

[FRO]

Volnation take a deep breath....remind yourself what our goal is this year.

In case you forgot, its to go to a bowl game.....were just a few wins away.

lets not get our panties in a bunch over a win. For god sakes we were only 15 pt favorites at home v so alabama.....vegas get it.

 

[wolfe]

Not bad coaching, poor execution. We are having poor execution because of the lack of talent/depth on our roster. Right now we have walk ons playing everywhere. What else can you expect with the team? We all knew we should be 3-2 at this point, and we are. Last years team would have lost to South Alabama down the stretch. This team didn't, we are better disciplined and BETTER COACHED

"Not bad coaching? Not bad coaching"? (in my best Jim Mora voice)

 

[BigTCountry]

wow game four talking about firing a coach. and the only things thats went wrong were problems before he got to tennessee.. qb is all we need and you dont get one overnight. sure put riley ferguson or dobbs in and throw their redshirt in the garbage. He's looking in the future, and i guarantee he rather have a 5th year with the qb's than throwing them to the dogs this year, when their not even mature or prepared enough to do any better than worley.

 

[BigTCountry]

OMG! How dare you critique coaches if you are not an AD or a coach yourself! You must want them all fired after 5 games! The Horror! The Horror!

j/k

Good post. I think the scariest thing about this season is that Butch Jones doesn't seem to know what to do about the QB situation. There hasn't been a single adjustment that has worked, and it's killing everything else we try to do. The defense can't improve, because it gets so little rest with all the 3 and outs. It's easy to focus on the run when the other team can't even complete a 5 yard pass.

I really wonder what was the thought process in starting Peterman in Gainesville. Did the coaches not realize how bad and ill-prepared he was? Or did they know he was awful and just decided to roll the dice, because they didn't have any other solutions?

Worley hasn't improved at all. I know Kiffin stuck with Crompton and eventually he turned it around, but I don't see any signs of this with Worley. If anything, it seems like he's getting worse, and the play-calling just stays the same. I don't understand it.

Most posters on here want to go on about how this is just installing a system, but how is that system supposed to work if you don't have the players to run it? Do you really think one day Worley is going to be the guy in this system? He's shown no signs of that so far. If someone else has to come in and be the QB to run this system, then why aren't you playing them? If you need new talent to run the system, then why aren't you recruiting it? I just don't see anything to make me believe that someone will be ready to run this system any time in the near future.

I wouldnt say he doesnt know what to do. He just knows what he doesnt want to do and thats throw the redshirts away. Thats would be the dumbest thing to do at this point. Its not like their going to step on the field then we go undefeated for the rest of the season. I wish he could make a decision to help us beat florida ga alabama and oregon but at this point he has to look at the future also, and hang on to those redshirts.

 

[BigTCountry]

I like Butch Jones, I really do and want him to be successful here! Hell, hes a fellow Michigander! But, he has shown me NOTHING special so far. Im actually disappointed in how our team went out like little bee at ches against Oregon and couldn't win against a mediocre FL team that tried to giftwrap the damn game for ya! Then, when I think it cant get any worse, we stink it up and almost lost to S Alabama.....SOUTH ALAMBAMA FOLKS!! I guess my expectation level was way too high for this staff. Oh well, disappointment is all we've known for 5 years...nothing new.

put a good captain on a sunken ship and he can have it up in seconds!!! :salute: not.

 

[wherewolf]

IMO the single absolutely inexplicable move was keeping Peterman in after he began to decompensate (around the first play or so).

Close runner up is starting Peterman in the first place.

All the rest can be debated based on personnel, circumstances, etc.

My sentiments exactly. Especially given Peterman had a broken hand when he threw the INT that looked, ahem--

Like it was thrown by someone with a broken hand!!!

Butch swept the whole thing under the rug, period.

 

[93AllvolSc]

I was at the game Saturday and I can honestly say that all the problems at QB are not Worleys fault. I tried to pay more attention to the receivers this game to get a feel for what was going on. I saw numerous routes run where one receiver would draw a defender with him into the way rather than run him off the pattern, more than once I saw receivers collide across the middle with each other. I saw a tight end run into a middle linebacker while trying to run a clear out pattern. I saw Tiny get beat off the edge more than once by guys that were far inferior. Yes before I get blasted Worley misses too many throws to open receivers for a junior sec qb, but I did see him make several back shoulder throws in the flats where the ball was spot on and put exactly where only the receiver could catch it. Flame away vn.....

 

[oregonvol]

I was at the game Saturday and I can honestly say that all the problems at QB are not Worleys fault. I tried to pay more attention to the receivers this game to get a feel for what was going on. I saw numerous routes run where one receiver would draw a defender with him into the way rather than run him off the pattern, more than once I saw receivers collide across the middle with each other. I saw a tight end run into a middle linebacker while trying to run a clear out pattern. I saw Tiny get beat off the edge more than once by guys that were far inferior. Yes before I get blasted Worley misses too many throws to open receivers for a junior sec qb, but I did see him make several back shoulder throws in the flats where the ball was spot on and put exactly where only the receiver could catch it. Flame away vn.....

I don't think many are suggesting it is all Worley's fault. I have my concerns about the receivers and the dropped passes and the past record of Zach Azzani coaching receivers in the SEC. But there are so many balls thrown in the dirt, well over the heads, and into double/triple coverage, the QB has to be a big part of the problem.

Personally, I don't care who is to blame. I just want to see some progress. The passing game is so bad right now, you have to do something. You can't just keep doing the same thing and just hope it improves. Because it hasn't.

 

[sonofUT62]

Last years offense would have beat Florida

Last years defense might have given up 50.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

My sentiments exactly. Especially given Peterman had a broken hand when he threw the INT that looked, ahem--

Like it was thrown by someone with a broken hand!!!

Butch swept the whole thing under the rug, period.

I've got to admit, I would have a lot fewer questions about Butch swimming in my head if he had manned-up in his presser and owned that mistake.

 

[dovervolz]

I will concede that game 1 versus Austin Peay was a well played no penalty football game. Everyone saw that Worley was going to struggle. Nobody got meaningful snaps at back up qb.

game 2 Worley continues to show signs of not performing at sec levels and still nobody gets meaninful snaps at qb.

game 3 you absolutely got hammered by a much better opponent and worley continued to show he could not make it happen....Peterman gets mop up duty vs Oregons 3rd string.

game 4 in the swamp you finally decide it is time to change qb......but you havent given the back up any meaningful playing time.......it backfires and you not only get burned you hold your hand to the fire the entire first half when a Florida team was begging for you to beat them.

game 5 the team starts off great and has a 31-7 lead in the first half...your qb throws 3 picks and gives the little South Alabama team life....then you try a fake field goal which looks like it would have worked but your team didnt execute. You have to punt the football in that situation. Palardy has been good to this point and by that decision you prolly destroy his confidence and give the other team great field position.


Summary we are 3-2 and all of us thought we would be 3-2.........but guys I dont see a football team that is improving from week to week.........we seem to be getting worse and the next few games are going to be brutal.

OK I'll concede. I've had enough of some of these ignorant posters. Does anybody know how to put this guy or girl on ignore.

 

[sjt18]

OK I'll concede. I've had enough of some of these ignorant posters. Does anybody know how to put this guy or girl on ignore.

Right under their name is an "ignore" button.

 

[D-rock]

OP
Epic Fail Thread - You Are Doing It Right!

 

[MFL]

wow game four talking about firing a coach. and the only things thats went wrong were problems before he got to tennessee.. qb is all we need and you dont get one overnight. sure put riley ferguson or dobbs in and throw their redshirt in the garbage. He's looking in the future, and i guarantee he rather have a 5th year with the qb's than throwing them to the dogs this year, when their not even mature or prepared enough to do any better than worley.

I think you'll see Pig as QB if Worley cant play. The redshirts are critical.

 

[stephenk24]

I think we can't have too much of an opinion on Butch until we see his recruits come through the ranks, and how he coaches them. He has been dealt a pretty mediocre group of players, give him time.

 

[Tenacguy50]

opcorn:

 

[Tenacguy50]

I think you'll see Pig as QB if Worley cant play. The redshirts are critical.

I think you are correct sir...:good!:

 

[Grand Vol]

I do find one thing VERY interesting about some of the posters here. Some of those who are most strongly offended by the suggestion that Jones might not be "the guy" are the quickest to throw boulders at Worley. I guess it could be misconstrued as a way to deflect blame from Jones... but they need to think that through.

Jones opened the competition. At the end, he chose Worley. He gave Peterman a shot and it turned into a disaster. He refuses to give the Fr a shot saying they are not ready. He has expressed faith in Worley on numerous occasions and said the same thing I did in that the blame is to be shared with the receivers. Of the 4 QB's, Worley is the only one he did not recruit and sign or try to sign. Yet he still chose Worley.

You can't have it both ways. Either Jones is the right coach and hope for the future or he's the buffoon who neither knows how to recruit or coach QB's or even how to select the right starter.

Actually, Peterman was a RS Freshman last year so technically he was Dooley's recruit as was Worley. So in all honesty, there is only one true "recruit" from CBJ and that's Dobbs. Dobbs followed him from Cincy IIRC. Ferg was already in the late stages of being recruited when Dooley was fired and stayed on when CBJ came on board so credit could be given to both of the coaches.

But on the rest of the post...

There are the people in the middle that aren't blaming the coaches or the players, but understand that this team is young and Worley has big shoes to fill. Coming in behind Bray wasn't an easy task and we all feel a little let down by expecting this huge performance out of the Gatorade Player of the Year. But remembering this is his first full year as a starter and he hasn't really been coached the past three years.

And concurrently, the receivers had big shoes to fill as well. Coming in behind Rogers (both), Rivera, Hunter and Patterson was not an easy job. One looks at them and sees how easy it looks when they prance around on the field and head into the end zone. And again, some of these new receivers were playing high school ball last year and have come to the roughest conference in NCAA ball to get a quick education. And there will be some rough spots as we've seen and will continue to see over the next few games.

And how about Palardy? Funny thing after he missed that FG attempt last game, a lot of people were quick to jump on here and scream about how he hasn't changed. Funny because until that attempt he was .100 and .100 in FG and PAT for the season. And he's still .100 in PAT and 4 for 5 in FG attempts. And the fact the holder had his hand in the way? Yeah, that escapes some people.

And the coaches? Well, the coaches...they knew coming in here this was an uphill climb and this program was in the shambles. First and foremost, they had to establish discipline. Then focus on the fundamentals which it appears is still in progress. And implementing a completely new system in UT that has never been tried here and most of our players have never used before. To say he has a lot of work cut out is an understatement,

Now sure, mistakes have been made. Can't think of a Div 1 FBS coach out there so far this year that hasn't made a mistake. I just tend to think CBJ gets his magnified over the fact we've been let down so many times this past five, six, seven years? And too many people are quick to jump the gun and claim "he's no better than the old one we just got rid of!" For crying out loud, at least Dooley got a fair shot for one season and was well into the second season before people started to come to the conclusion he wasn't cutting the mustard.

So there are some of us in the middle that see the fact the players are young and inexperienced. And see the fact the coaches are basically going from trap in the toilet bowl and heading upwards. New school for the coaching staff, new starters taking the field for the first time, new offensive system, changing the defense three times in as many years, trying to instill the winning attitude and even going in to games with their heads held high knowing they are about to take a beating. It's not as easy task for any of them and some of us know that and appreciate it. And are willing to cut the entire team some slack by understanding the monumental task in front of them.

Not directed at you in particular SJT, just a long winded rant of mine.

 

[Volinnooga]

Do you guys have strangers looking over your shoulder, criticizing your work? Particularly by those who don't see your work daily.

 

[trampas2bad]

I will concede that game 1 versus Austin Peay was a well played no penalty football game. Everyone saw that Worley was going to struggle. Nobody got meaningful snaps at back up qb.

game 2 Worley continues to show signs of not performing at sec levels and still nobody gets meaninful snaps at qb.

game 3 you absolutely got hammered by a much better opponent and worley continued to show he could not make it happen....Peterman gets mop up duty vs Oregons 3rd string.

game 4 in the swamp you finally decide it is time to change qb......but you havent given the back up any meaningful playing time.......it backfires and you not only get burned you hold your hand to the fire the entire first half when a Florida team was begging for you to beat them.

game 5 the team starts off great and has a 31-7 lead in the first half...your qb throws 3 picks and gives the little South Alabama team life....then you try a fake field goal which looks like it would have worked but your team didnt execute. You have to punt the football in that situation. Palardy has been good to this point and by that decision you prolly destroy his confidence and give the other team great field position.


Summary we are 3-2 and all of us thought we would be 3-2.........but guys I dont see a football team that is improving from week to week.........we seem to be getting worse and the next few games are going to be brutal.

The biggest bunch of donkey-doo I've read on here from a poster in a long time, and it takes some real doing to be the worst amongst this gaggle of know-nothings. At last count he had 13 likes for this. All of you are being assigned punishment. Go to a chalk board and write NEGAVOl one-hundred times.

 

[slobberknocker]

Now I remember why op is on ignore.

 

[landscapingvol]

I have never read more utter stupidity on a message board.

 

[seerob22]

Its pretty simple to figure out I watched our game then immediately flipped over and watched the lsu/ga game and they have much better qbs, experienced receivers, much faster defenses with more depth, I could go on but thats enough to know that we simply dont have enough PLAYERS to win in the SEC right now.