Electric Vehicles

[Orangeburst]

Chinese Owners of Planned Michigan EV Plant Make Staff in the Communist State Pledge Allegiance to The Party and Wear Red Army Uniforms on bizarre field trips in China​

• Gotion Inc is developing a taxpayer-subsidized $2.4 billion electric vehicle battery facility in Michigan

The Chinese owners of a company developing a taxpayer-subsidized $2.4 billion electric vehicle battery facility in Michigan make staff pledge allegiance to the Chinese Communist Party and wear Red Army uniforms, reports suggest.

During the trips workers wore Red Army outfits and pledged to 'fight for communism to the end of my life' footage posted on the Chinese battery manufacturer's website shows.

It comes amid rising concerns surrounding Chinese investment in US industries and increased fears Communist spies are infiltrating top businesses and educational institutions.

Gotion Inc, the California-based company which is 'wholly owned and controlled' by Gotion High-Tech, according to a Foreign Agents Registration Act filing.


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PLANNED MICHIGAN EV PLANT: The planned factory will occupy a swathe of land just outside the Big Rapids area, and will cost $2.4 Billion to make

EV plant's Chinese owners make staff pledge allegiance to the CCP

The Chinese owners of a company developing a taxpayer-subsidized $2.4 billion electric vehicle battery facility in Michigan make staff pledge allegiance to the CCP.

www.dailymail.co.uk

they are building these factories everywhere.

Ford Will Build a U.S. Battery Factory With Technology From China

Ford’s $3.5 billion plant in Michigan will draw on technology from CATL, a Chinese company that is the world’s No. 1 maker of electric-car batteries.

www.nytimes.com

Just a quarter-century ago, Chinese officials were eagerly asking U.S. automakers to bring their investments and expertise to China. Today, the roles are reversed, with one of America’s most storied industrial giants asking China for the technology needed to survive in a rapidly changing global automotive landscape.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

As Hurricane Idalia Caused Flooding, Some Electric Vehicles Exposed to Saltwater Caught Fire​

Floridians battered by Hurricane Idalia this week may not have expected another threat — that floodwaters could cause their cars to suddenly burst into flames.

Yet that's exactly what happened when two electric vehicles caught fire after being submerged in saltwater churned up by the storm. Firefighters in Palm Harbor, Florida, cited the incidents, both of which involved Teslas, in warning owners that their rechargeable car batteries could combust if exposed to saltwater.

"If you own a hybrid or electric vehicle that has come into contact with saltwater due to recent flooding within the last 24 hours, it is crucial to relocate the vehicle from your garage without delay," the department said in a Facebook post. "Saltwater exposure can trigger combustion in lithium-ion batteries. If possible, transfer your vehicle to higher ground."

The warning also applies to electric golf carts, scooters and bicycles, with lithium-ion batteries potentially sparking a fire when they get wet. More specifically, salt residue remains after the water dries out and can create "bridges" between the battery's cells, potentially creating electrical connections that can spark a fire.

In Florida, fire crews were towing one of the vehicles, a Tesla that had been submerged in Pinellas County, Florida, when it abruptly went up in flames, Palm Harbor Fire Rescue training chief Jason Haynes told CBS MoneyWatch. He said combustion can occur well after a car is exposed to saltwater and emphasized the importance of moving potentially damaged vehicles out of garages and away from nearby structures.

As Hurricane Idalia caused flooding, some electric vehicles exposed to saltwater caught fire

Florida firefighters are warning electric car owners to park outside after two flooded EVs suddenly burst into flames.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Orangeburst]

MSN

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[NorthDallas40]

MSN

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Just wanted to make sure a certain BEV cultist and marketer could see the headline and takeaway

Buyer’s Remorse: Why Are 20% Of Early EV Adopters Now Defecting to Internal Combustion?​

Is our honeymoon with the electric vehicle finally over? A study found that one in five early adopters of EV cars and trucks are returning to gas-powered vehicles. As a result, used EV prices are freefalling.

 

[Orangeburst]

Just wanted to make sure a certain BEV cultist and marketer could see the headline and takeaway

Buyer’s Remorse: Why Are 20% Of Early EV Adopters Now Defecting to Internal Combustion?​

Is our honeymoon with the electric vehicle finally over? A study found that one in five early adopters of EV cars and trucks are returning to gas-powered vehicles. As a result, used EV prices are freefalling.

i actually placed the bait on the dock with you in mind…lol

 

[UT-Rex]

Just wanted to make sure a certain BEV cultist and marketer could see the headline and takeaway

Buyer’s Remorse: Why Are 20% Of Early EV Adopters Now Defecting to Internal Combustion?​

Is our honeymoon with the electric vehicle finally over? A study found that one in five early adopters of EV cars and trucks are returning to gas-powered vehicles. As a result, used EV prices are freefalling.

Here's another interesting article

Jul 06, 2023 at 5:17am ET
“Our research indicates EV owners love their vehicles,” he said at a Society of Automotive Analysts webinar. “Those who made the leap of faith in buying an EV are 50% less likely to worry about range. They are also less likely to worry about how long charging takes.”

EV Sales Fail To Keep Up With Dealer Inventory Levels

Purchases fail to keep up with dealers’ ability to fill their lots with EVs that end up collecting dust for about three months before being sold.

insideevs.com

 

[NorthDallas40]

Here's another interesting article

Jul 06, 2023 at 5:17am ET
“Our research indicates EV owners love their vehicles,” he said at a Society of Automotive Analysts webinar. “Those who made the leap of faith in buying an EV are 50% less likely to worry about range. They are also less likely to worry about how long charging takes.”

EV Sales Fail To Keep Up With Dealer Inventory Levels

Purchases fail to keep up with dealers’ ability to fill their lots with EVs that end up collecting dust for about three months before being sold.

insideevs.com

LMAO copium at its finest

The article title is literally pointing to a lack of demand for EV stock Ronald.

 

[EasternVol]

We are at least a decade from a workable F350 to meet the work truck needs.
However if you get the 150 in a 4door electric you can put a diesel generator in the bed and your traveling problems are over.

A diesel generator and what else, a toolbox and some short 2 x4's?. Might as well get an e-Bronco.
Just kidding, iswydt.

 

[EasternVol]

Here's another interesting article

Jul 06, 2023 at 5:17am ET
“Our research indicates EV owners love their vehicles,” he said at a Society of Automotive Analysts webinar. “Those who made the leap of faith in buying an EV are 50% less likely to worry about range. They are also less likely to worry about how long charging takes.”

EV Sales Fail To Keep Up With Dealer Inventory Levels

Purchases fail to keep up with dealers’ ability to fill their lots with EVs that end up collecting dust for about three months before being sold.

insideevs.com

'Less likely' than who?

 

[Orangeslice13]

A diesel generator and what else, a toolbox and some short 2 x4's?. Might as well get an e-Bronco.
Just kidding, iswydt.

I’m probably going to be pulling a trailer for the kayaks so space isn’t an issue.

 

[UT-Rex]

LMAO copium at its finest

The article title is literally pointing to a lack of demand for EV stock Ronald.

The article seems realistic from both angles -- a. inventories are increasing likely because so many mfr's have introduced so many new EV models into the marketplace (buyers are also still weighing higher costs of EV) ;

Look, don't buy what you don't want to drive and keep marketing the cons of what you don't prefer (while the kinks are worked out).

'Less likely' than who?

b. "Those" / they themselves = less worried after ownership than prior to : "Our research indicates EV owners love their vehicles,” he said at a Society of Automotive Analysts webinar. “Those who made the leap of faith in buying an EV are 50% less likely to worry about range. They are also less likely to worry about how long charging takes.”

^^ owners themselves, are less worried than they were prior to ownership and operation.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The article seems realistic from both angles -- a. inventories are increasing likely because so many mfr's have introduced so many new EV models into the marketplace (buyers are also still weighing higher costs of EV) ;

Look, don't buy what you don't want to drive and keep marketing the cons of what you don't prefer (while the kinks are worked out).




b. "Those" / they themselves = less worried after ownership than prior to : "Our research indicates EV owners love their vehicles,” he said at a Society of Automotive Analysts webinar. “Those who made the leap of faith in buying an EV are 50% less likely to worry about range. They are also less likely to worry about how long charging takes.”

^^ owners themselves, are less worried than they were prior to ownership and operation.

No Ronald the article is largely negative and you chose about the only positive statement in the whole article and represented out of context of what the article was saying. It’s what you do

And I do drive what I want and don’t need your permission. And I’ll also continue to call out BS’ers like your self on this topic.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Orangeburst]

 

[Orangeburst]

 

[AM64]

Sure is spewing a lot of what looks to be environmentally damaging stuff into the air.

 

[Vol since 77]

Franklin, TN Fire Chief reported it took 45,000 gallons of water to put out one EV fire. He compared that to 500-1,000 gallons to put out a gas powered vehicle. Also said he just came from a conference in Kansa City with 150 fire chiefs from all over the country and they're all having and will continue to have issues fighting these EV fires. Interesting statistics that I haven't heard until now.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Electric Vehicle Fire in Franklin requires Thousands of Gallons of Water​

FRANKLIN, Tenn. (WKRN) — An electrical vehicle fire at Nissan Headquarters Tuesday afternoon required several more hours and 45 times more gallons of water to put out than a conventional vehicle fire.

It’s a challenge the Franklin Fire Department warns “all fire departments are struggling with” because lithium-ion battery fires often cannot be extinguished until the battery cell has released its energy.

Mt. Juliet firefighter returns home after being injured in apartment complex fire

Firefighters were dispatched around 4:42 p.m. after the car caught fire in the parking lot of 1 Nissan Way. According to Franklin Fire Marshal Andy King, the vehicle, a Nissan Leaf, had been charging on a Level 3 charger, which is the fastest charging device.


That’s when its lithium-ion battery cell reportedly overheated, went into a thermal runway condition and caught fire. He said firefighters applied water to cool the battery cell for several hours before the fire was extinguished.

However, Tuesday’s fire required nearly 45,000 gallons of water and multiple units, including an engine, tower, battalion chief, rescue, hazmat, and an air response vehicle. In a news release, the fire department urged EV owners to take precautions against fires.

Electric vehicle fire in Franklin requires thousands of gallons of water

The Franklin Fire Department warns “all fire departments are struggling with” lithium-ion battery fires because they often require an extensive response.

www.wkrn.com

 

[AM64]

Electric Vehicle Fire in Franklin requires Thousands of Gallons of Water​

FRANKLIN, Tenn. (WKRN) — An electrical vehicle fire at Nissan Headquarters Tuesday afternoon required several more hours and 45 times more gallons of water to put out than a conventional vehicle fire.

It’s a challenge the Franklin Fire Department warns “all fire departments are struggling with” because lithium-ion battery fires often cannot be extinguished until the battery cell has released its energy.

Mt. Juliet firefighter returns home after being injured in apartment complex fire

Firefighters were dispatched around 4:42 p.m. after the car caught fire in the parking lot of 1 Nissan Way. According to Franklin Fire Marshal Andy King, the vehicle, a Nissan Leaf, had been charging on a Level 3 charger, which is the fastest charging device.


That’s when its lithium-ion battery cell reportedly overheated, went into a thermal runway condition and caught fire. He said firefighters applied water to cool the battery cell for several hours before the fire was extinguished.

However, Tuesday’s fire required nearly 45,000 gallons of water and multiple units, including an engine, tower, battalion chief, rescue, hazmat, and an air response vehicle. In a news release, the fire department urged EV owners to take precautions against fires.

Electric vehicle fire in Franklin requires thousands of gallons of water

The Franklin Fire Department warns “all fire departments are struggling with” lithium-ion battery fires because they often require an extensive response.

www.wkrn.com

Alkali metals (at the left end of the Periodic Table) are extremely reactive. Lithium, for example, is combustible in air, and pure lithium is kept covered to prevent combustion. It also reacts violently to water, so you wonder why fire departments are using water on EV fires in the first place.

 

[hog88]

Alkali metals (at the left end of the Periodic Table) are extremely reactive. Lithium, for example, is combustible in air, and pure lithium is kept covered to prevent combustion. It also reacts violently to water, so you wonder why fire departments are using water on EV fires in the first place.

Water and lots of it is how most fire departments are trained to put out fires regardless of the source.

 

[KB5252]

The article seems realistic from both angles -- a. inventories are increasing likely because so many mfr's have introduced so many new EV models into the marketplace (buyers are also still weighing higher costs of EV) ;

Look, don't buy what you don't want to drive and keep marketing the cons of what you don't prefer (while the kinks are worked out).




b. "Those" / they themselves = less worried after ownership than prior to : "Our research indicates EV owners love their vehicles,” he said at a Society of Automotive Analysts webinar. “Those who made the leap of faith in buying an EV are 50% less likely to worry about range. They are also less likely to worry about how long charging takes.”

^^ owners themselves, are less worried than they were prior to ownership and operation.

As I read that, it comes off as "worry of the unknown". Once it is known only half no longer worry about range and long charging times. So in that respect it sounds like only 50% seem satisfied it meets their needs and no longer worry.

 

[KB5252]

Alkali metals (at the left end of the Periodic Table) are extremely reactive. Lithium, for example, is combustible in air, and pure lithium is kept covered to prevent combustion. It also reacts violently to water, so you wonder why fire departments are using water on EV fires in the first place.

My brother was a firefighter in the air force.

I've asked him about this and his answer is simple..... Because it's the only fire suppression material that's safe to use in that you don't have to worry about HAZMAT or known carcinogenic exposure to people and environment.

 

[UT-Rex]

As I read that, it comes off as "worry of the unknown". Once it is known only half no longer worry about range and long charging times. So in that respect it sounds like only 50% seem satisfied it meets their needs and no longer worry.

We're talking about early adopters. Research could likely show that 50-110 years ago early adopters of combustion engine vehics and cell phones experienced levels of questions and frustrations (few filling stations on "Route 66" required planning ahead ; usage costs of early mobile tech was Very high, etc). I suspect early adopters of desktop computers wished for greater storage capacity --

improvements and greater Peace of Mind came along with time (more filling stations ; decrease in mobile calling costs ; 7.25" discs > 5.5" > thumb drives >> terabytes for pennies or few dollars, etc).

(Dallas40 thinks I'm marketing ev's, with some agenda -- I'm simply discussing the tech and watching the progression / I'm happy with my combustion engine also).

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Biden EPA regulations would be 'catastrophic,' truckers say​

Truckers are protesting the Biden administration's new Environmental Protection Agency regulations, arguing that they would hurt their business.

"A new clean diesel long haul tractor typically costs in the range of $180,000 to $200,000," JKC Trucking Vice President Mike Kucharski told Fox News. "A comparable battery electric tractor costs upwards of $480,000, that's about a $300,000 upcharge, [which] is cost prohibitive for the overwhelming majority of motor carriers."

Biden EPA regulations would be 'catastrophic,' truckers say

Truckers are protesting the Biden administration's new Environmental Protection Agency regulations, arguing that they would hurt their business.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Orangeburst]

Biden EPA regulations would be 'catastrophic,' truckers say​

Truckers are protesting the Biden administration's new Environmental Protection Agency regulations, arguing that they would hurt their business.

"A new clean diesel long haul tractor typically costs in the range of $180,000 to $200,000," JKC Trucking Vice President Mike Kucharski told Fox News. "A comparable battery electric tractor costs upwards of $480,000, that's about a $300,000 upcharge, [which] is cost prohibitive for the overwhelming majority of motor carriers."

Biden EPA regulations would be 'catastrophic,' truckers say

Truckers are protesting the Biden administration's new Environmental Protection Agency regulations, arguing that they would hurt their business.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

no thoughts to this. Just inexcusable. Gonna wreck the nation.
but hey, cast your vote knowing this.