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[GroverCleveland]

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I did. Still disagree with this statement: "Net Exporter != Energy Independent."

 

[Gandalf]

Well, liberals probably think those are "living documents" as well, subject to interpretation.

While typing this, a scenario popped into my mind of AOC explaining the laws of thermodynamics are nothing more than another display of white privilege and the government should do something about it.

This seems like a great idea for a SNL skit if they were actually being funny.

 

[McDad]

Someone did. Drove his vehicle across country , on 22 gallons of water. He was suicided. I'll try to find link

Edit: look up Stanley Meyer, water powered car

Meyer's patents have expired. His inventions are now in the public domain, available for all to use without restriction or royalty payment.[14] No engine or vehicle manufacturer has incorporated Meyer's work so far.

If his claims are true, then anyone who can reproduce his results will become rich beyond all comprehension. Rich enough to protect themselves from Big Oil assassins.

 

[85SugarVol]

I did. Still disagree with this statement: "Net Exporter != Energy Independent."

Oh that’s just semantics.

Net Exporter is a good thing and should be the goal.

I refuse to get bogged down in what is “independence”.

 

[LouderVol]

I'm also of the mind that businesses know "if you build it, they will come." I'm not saying they should move away from gas and diesel pumps, but adding additional options does nothing but increase their profits. The trend towards EVs becoming more commonplace is undeniable.

First chain station like Loves or Pilot that puts in rapid charging EV stations will make serious bank. Bet on it.

I am thinking about Buccees too. Seems like their sale model is built around people sticking around for a while to shop. Which would work out with the charging station.

I could see sit down restaurants doing it if you are near the interstate. Charge some small nominal fee or offer validation with the purchase of a meal.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I wasn’t making the argument. Was simply stating clearly what I believed his argument to be - hence the quotations.

I would much rather be a Net Exporter than Net Importer - but I imagine we will always import oil.

Having the flexibility to source anywhere, anytime will help lower the total cost for Americans.

But there is absolutely no reason for the United States of America to be dependent on anyone - we should be in the position to pick and choose where we source from.

Ah ok understood. As we all know I am slow so that makes sense. I was rather shocked that you of all people would state something like that but now I got it.

 

[NorthDallas40]

We must obey the laws of thermodynamics.

Thermodynamics is clearly racist.

 

[hog88]

If the large mega cities in the northeast and on the west coast would outlaw cars and force people to mass transit, bicycles, etc., demand would plummet and price would too. It's a win/win. The people clutching their pearls over climate change can FINALLY live the way they want other to live. My cost at the pump goes down. Excelsior!!

You should be king.

 

[LouderVol]

So I can complain about rising costs as well as drive a behemoth vehicle and it’s silly to claim otherwise. While I realize that my choice of transportation will cost me more in fuel to drive it I can also understand the concept that fuel costs affect EVERYTHING I purchase.

You can. But I dont know why you would. It's like the millenial thing with avocado toast and their latte mocha frappuccino bs. We are talking about vehicles in this thread, we have others for general inflation.

 

[InVOLuntary]

You’re missing the point (or more likely I’m poorly making my point). The grid has excess capacity during off peak hours. If EV’s are recharged during off peak hours then the existing grid can handle some amount of growth of EV’s. Maybe someone who works for TVA will chime in with real numbers

They studied this in that class. You are correct that they've put those water towers in to accommodate peak demand times but it's for current peak demand times. They're not doing this in preparation for future EVs. Add EVs to the current equation we are in no way ready to handle any significant change from gas/diesel cars to EVs. Our total grid will have to change to handle that. Add to that that 60% of our electricity is generated by fossil fuels so in order to really make a difference that's got to change as well.

 

[dobre_shunka]

The US imported 7.9 million barrels of oil per day in 2020. What does energy independence mean to you?

I think everyone understands that energy to power electric cars has to come from somewhere and that the infrastructure for a majority EV US won’t happen overnight. I pointed out that the volatility in the oil market and recently skyrocketing prices are a great motivation to figure out how to be energy independent with a shift toward alternative sources that are both sustainable and cleaner while reducing our reliance on a global oil market largely controlled by OPEC.

What does energy independence mean to you?

The US also exports petroleum products and if the exports are greater than the imports, it can be said the US is independent.

"The United States became a net annual petroleum exporter in 2020. In 2020, the United States exported about 8.51 MMb/d and imported about 7.86 MMb/d of petroleum, making the United States a net annual petroleum exporter for the first time since at least 1949. "

Oil imports and exports - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

 

[Grand Vol]

I am thinking about Buccees too. Seems like their sale model is built around people sticking around for a while to shop. Which would work out with the charging station.

I could see sit down restaurants doing it if you are near the interstate. Charge some small nominal fee or offer validation with the purchase of a meal.

Buccees is a damn Walmart disguised as a gas station.

But great BBQ

 

[LouderVol]

Somebody has a case of the socialist judge. Castro would be proud.

Somebody is defensive and making crap up to justify their paranoia and unhealthy attachment to their truck. I swear yall listen to too many bad country songs with your woman banging your dog before leaving you but your truck staying faithful.

I never said anything about taking away your lover, I mean truck, never said anything about limiting it, production, sale, or use of it, and I have stated multiple times the government should stay out of it. Not sure how you and hog got any type of socialist slant out of comments about personal use of inefficient equipment.

Go suck the tailpipe if it means that much to you, I dont care.

 

[McDad]

You should be king.

I agree. You can totally trust me to abdicate my throne once all the problems are fixed.

 

[hog88]

Somebody is defensive and making crap up to justify their paranoia and unhealthy attachment to their truck. I swear yall listen to too many bad country songs with your woman banging your dog before leaving you but your truck staying faithful.

I never said anything about taking away your lover, I mean truck, never said anything about limiting it, production, sale, or use of it, and I have stated multiple times the government should stay out of it. Not sure how you and hog got any type of socialist slant out of comments about personal use of inefficient equipment.

Go suck the tailpipe if it means that much to you, I dont care.

 

[OHvol40]

What does energy independence mean to you?

The US also exports petroleum products and if the exports are greater than the imports, it can be said the US is independent.

"The United States became a net annual petroleum exporter in 2020. In 2020, the United States exported about 8.51 MMb/d and imported about 7.86 MMb/d of petroleum, making the United States a net annual petroleum exporter for the first time since at least 1949. "

Oil imports and exports - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Energy independence, to me, means that we have the capacity to meet our own energy needs. What we actually produced and what we have the ability to produce are two different things.

 

[hog88]

I agree. You can totally trust me to abdicate my throne once all the problems are fixed.

My guess is that you would last maybe 90 days before saying "screw this".

 

[McDad]

My guess is that you would last maybe 90 days before saying "screw this".

I would be assassinated long before 90 days. Probably from a royal vizier sick of my jokes.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Meyer's patents have expired. His inventions are now in the public domain, available for all to use without restriction or royalty payment.[14] No engine or vehicle manufacturer has incorporated Meyer's work so far.

If his claims are true, then anyone who can reproduce his results will become rich beyond all comprehension. Rich enough to protect themselves from Big Oil assassins.

He made a Browns gas generator. It doesn't work.

 

[KB5252]

Might want to get the cost of nickel down a tad.

Who has rich nickel deposits?

 

[McDad]

He made a Browns gas generator. It doesn't work.

My brown gas doesn't power an engine, either. Although it will move a group of people out of a room effeciently.

 

[Orangeburst]

My brown gas doesn't power an engine, either. Although it will move a group of people out of a room effeciently.

I just had a colonoscopy
Clean as a whistle

 

[InVOLuntary]

My brown gas doesn't power an engine, either. Although it will move a group of people out of a room effeciently.

I've made one. It's cool but a gimmick. It's extremely combustible. We would bubble some into a cup upside down. Place the cup on the floor. Belly crawl over to it. Light it with a grill lighter. It would launch te cup 25' in the air with a huge boom.

 

[McDad]

I've made one. It's cool but a gimmick. It's extremely combustible. We would bubble some into a cup upside down. Place the cup on the floor. Belly crawl over to it. Light it with a grill lighter. It would launch te cup 25' in the air with a huge boom.

I love the smell of science in the morning.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I love the smell of science in the morning.

Search it up on YouTube. It's pretty cool.