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#101
#101
Volsfaninva917 said:
Correct he went JUCO after the mess with Pearl. But he was still unproven as a head coach at the D1 Level. Is he a great coach? Yes Was the timing right when Donnie was fired? No, how could you justify hiring a guy part of the Pearl drama after you just fired a guy for NCAA drama? My beef isn't with you it's with Seniordrill because his only intentions are to spew crap
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I get not justifying it because of his part in the Pearl drama. A lot of Power 5 schools could've hired him though and very few would blink an eye. Your reference about that is what amused me
 
#102
#102
K-town Vol Fan said:
You dont get a HC job at UT having never been a HC before at a high level. Forbes needs to have success somewhere besides ETSU before hes considered for a major P5 job. Jmo.
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This type of philosophy is what provides washed up,has been coaches like Rick Barnes. Congratulations
 
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#103
#103
Barnes is doing a solid job.

IMO, the correct answer is somewhere in between; Forbes should be considered for P5 jobs now, but not when he had zero HC experience.
 
#104
#104
volfanbill said:
This type of philosophy is what provides washed up,has been coaches like Rick Barnes. Congratulations
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I disagree. If Forbes makes ETSU a NCAAT regular then he will get a P5 job. But lets not say we should have hired him because he took a really talented team to the NCAAT.
 
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Besides bad use of timeouts and average recruiting I think Barnes is doing a good job. Recruiting looks good next year and players are developing well. However, when he hangs it up in a few years I think Steve Forbes would be a great hire. Thoughts?
 
#110
#110
Depends on what ETSU does in that 2 or 3 years. If they make the tournament again once or twice then I say go for it.


MTSU is the school that was nationally ranked and would have gotten an at large bid to the tournament. Thats more impressive than what Forbes has done.
 
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#111
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Depends on what ETSU does in that 2 or 3 years. If they make the tournament again once or twice then I say go for it.


MTSU is the school that was nationally ranked and would have gotten an at large bid to the tournament. Thats more impressive than what Forbes has done.
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ETSU was 16-10 the year before Forbes was hired and only smelled the regular season or tourney championship twice in Murray Bartow's entire tenure. Forbes first season, they finished second in regular season and tourney winning 24 games. This season, his second, they won 27 games, finished tied for first in regular season, and won the tourney. Results speak for themselves.
 
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#112
#112
I'd be shocked if Tennessee ever hired anyone related to the Bruce Pearl tenure, especially a coach who received a show cause penalty for his previous time at Tennessee.

Forbes is mostly guilty by association, but he did lie to NCAA investigators and they won't forget that fact. Tennessee has done a lot to distance themselves from the Pearl scandal and eventual fallout. It would seem foolish to take a step back in the direction they've gone to great lengths to move on from. Forbes is a really good coach, but there are other good coaches out there that don't have the same stain on their resumé.
 
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Volballfan said:
ETSU was 16-10 the year before Forbes was hired and only smelled the regular season or tourney championship twice in Murray Bartow's entire tenure. Forbes first season, they finished second in regular season and tourney winning 24 games. This season, his second, they won 27 games, finished tied for first in regular season, and won the tourney. Results speak for themselves.
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That's what Texas thought too before they hired Shaka. Results don't speak for themselves (when your trying to predict the future of someone's coaching career at another place). Someone bring something more tangible to the table than number of wins and getting in the tourney cause you won your own tournament. What was the make up of that 16-10 team? How many players in the rotation are now forbes players? What type of recruits he pulling in? Are they better than what the school was pulling in before? How can you tell how well his talent evaluation skills are in 2 years? Can you? Haven't seen anything on any of that. For all I know he's just winning with his predecessor's players. W/L record, over a time span of two years, says absolutely nothing on its own.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'd be shocked if Tennessee ever hired anyone related to the Bruce Pearl tenure, especially a coach who received a show cause penalty for his previous time at Tennessee.

Forbes is mostly guilty by association, but he did lie to NCAA investigators and they won't forget that fact. Tennessee has done a lot to distance themselves from the Pearl scandal and eventual fallout. It would seem foolish to take a step back in the direction they've gone to great lengths to move on from. Forbes is a really good coach, but there are other good coaches out there that don't have the same stain on their resumé.
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There are coaches out there with longer and better resumes too The only reason we're talking about forbes is cause his first two years went well, he's still in this part of the country, and the average fan recognizes his name from the pearl years. Kinda reminds me of Blackburn. Just a recognizable name that really has no shot at becoming coach here. I would like some good info on forbes first two years though. All I see getting brought up right now is he's wins/lost records over his first two years and those are just not enough to prove any point
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
There are coaches out there with longer and better resumes too The only reason we're talking about forbes is cause his first two years went well, he's still in this part of the country, and the average fan recognizes his name from the pearl years. Kinda reminds me of Blackburn. Just a recognizable name that really has no shot at becoming coach here. I would like some good info on forbes first two years though. All I see getting brought up right now is he's wins/lost records over his first two years and those are just not enough to prove any point
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Not true. Forbes has a sterling resume and we are talking Forbes/Shay. You seem to forget what their roles were during the best period of UT bball. Forbes and Shay have had great careers and are widely respected. Forbes is being discussed because he and Shay were part the reason UT had so much greatness on the court while Pearl gave the spark and the PR stuff. It was a great staff. People want a return to the Pearl days, but with this, you get the great bball minds and stretegists not as much baggage. Pearl is a great coach with a great resume as well, but Forbes and Shay were c crucial part of his time here so it's more about that imo
 
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#117
#117
K-town Vol Fan said:
I disagree. If Forbes makes ETSU a NCAAT regular then he will get a P5 job. But lets not say we should have hired him because he took a really talented team to the NCAAT.
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The guy has an eye opening resume. He will be at a Power 5 school after this tournament. He will have accomplished that in 2 years as a DI head coach. "Since taking over in 2015, Forbes has been an instant hit in Johnson City, Tenn. That's more reason why Parrish wouldn’t be shocked if he’s not there much longer. 'He’s going to get high-major opportunities', Gary Parrish said, 'If not this year, very, very soon'.” There is a Power 5 school out there that will not run the risk of not getting him next year if they can put him in the bank this year.
How about a headline story in USA Today yesterday?

ETSU's NCAA berth caps Steve Forbes' coaching comeback
 
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#118
#118
I really look back at it now and wish we could get Kermit. He has been nothing but a total success. What were the politics in keeping him away from UT? Anyone have any knowledge on this?
 
#121
#121
As cncchris said, it's really hard to imagine any UT AD hiring anyone from the Pearl regime.

If we're being honest, it's pretty dimwitted to think it's a possibility.
 
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#122
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Chris4Vols22 said:
As cncchris said, it's really hard to imagine any UT AD hiring anyone from the Pearl regime.

If we're being honest, it's pretty dimwitted to think it's a possibility.
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But we are talking about the same school that hired Tyndall, so ....
 
#123
#123
orangemadam said:
I really look back at it now and wish we could get Kermit. He has been nothing but a total success. What were the politics in keeping him away from UT? Anyone have any knowledge on this?
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I am not sure how you can say this. MTSU was patient with him, and we have people around here who don't like Barnes after 2 years. It took Kermit Davis 8 years at MTSU to make any postseason, and that was the CIT. It took him 11 years to make the NCAAT. He has now made 3 NCAAT's in 15 years. To me, that doesn't equate to an immediate impact coach at a high level. I am glad that their patience paid off, but as I have seen people talk about Butch, you can see if a coach has "it" by year 3 or 4. JMO.
 
#124
#124
OrangeInKy said:
Not true. Forbes has a sterling resume and we are talking Forbes/Shay. You seem to forget what their roles were during the best period of UT bball. Forbes and Shay have had great careers and are widely respected. Forbes is being discussed because he and Shay were part the reason UT had so much greatness on the court while Pearl gave the spark and the PR stuff. It was a great staff. People want a return to the Pearl days, but with this, you get the great bball minds and stretegists not as much baggage. Pearl is a great coach with a great resume as well, but Forbes and Shay were c crucial part of his time here so it's more about that imo
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The one thing that Steve Forbes can do at UT is recruit Memphis. He has great ties here, and IMO, he would pull some talent. I have no issue with him as a coach although I do agree with Chris above- our administration probably doesn't want to bring anyone back that had ties to Pearl. Also, he will probably get some bigger offers before Barnes retires. He may not be in a position to come to UT.
 
#125
#125
vols 30 said:
But we are talking about the same school that hired Tyndall, so ....
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The end for Tyndall was not good. But I will always argue that Tyndall was a good floor basketball coach. I am not sure how he would have recruited. Shady? Yea. But so are half the other coaches in high level college basketball.
 
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