Evaluating Martin's recruiting

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#51
My one big problem with CCM's recruiting so far has been not getting a true PG last year. If we had pushed for Fabyon Harris, we would be in the tournament right now IMO.
 
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jjay2518 said:
My one big problem with CCM's recruiting so far has been not getting a true PG last year. If we had pushed for Fabyon Harris, we would be in the tournament right now IMO.
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I liked taking Armani Moore. My issue was why did we take Derek Reese when we had Quinton Chevious already. That made no sense.
 
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zjcvols said:
I liked taking Armani Moore. My issue was why did we take Derek Reese when we had Quinton Chevious already. That made no sense.
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Agreed. I would have loved to see Harris instead of Reese of Chevious. Moore was a good get...just not as a backup PG. I think a lot of UT fans didn't want to see another combo guard try and play PG, especially playing big minutes as a true freshman.
 
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jjay2518 said:
Agreed. I would have loved to see Harris instead of Reese of Chevious. Moore was a good get...just not as a backup PG. I think a lot of UT fans didn't want to see another combo guard try and play PG, especially playing big minutes as a true freshman.
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It's why I'm not getting the Thompson commitment. So, we are going to take another guy who needs to work on his ball handling? Why not just take Mathieu instead?
 
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zjcvols said:
It's why I'm not getting the Thompson commitment. So, we are going to take another guy who needs to work on his ball handling? Why not just take Mathieu instead?
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Difference between Thompson and the rest of these guys is Thompson can shot the ball very well. He'll be one of our best shooters the min he walks in the gym. Same goes for Hubbs.
 
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keckjm said:
Difference between Thompson and the rest of these guys is Thompson can shot the ball very well. He'll be one of our best shooters the min he walks in the gym. Same goes for Hubbs.
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True.

I'd still rather have a PG. Maybe Reese goes JUCO and Landry goes prep so we can bring in Mathieu.
 
#57
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JMSqb11 said:
You do realize Hubbs is coming ONLY because he wants to stay close to home and playing time. Duke, UNC, Florida couldn't offer that.
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You realize Memphis is a hell of a lot closer to dyer county than Knoxville don't you?

You seriously can't give Martin any credit, it's pathetic honestly.
 
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zjcvols said:
Who the **** cares?

He's coming to Tennessee. Martin got him. Coach K put the full court press on Hubbs and Martin still convinced Robert to come to UT. And if Robert wanted to stay close to home, and get immediate PT, why didn't he choose Memphis, which offers both?

Please.
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Memphis doesn't offer immediate PT with Johnson and Crawford returning, but i see your point.
 
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zjcvols said:
It was also his first class.

He got a really good contributor his first year, and role player, and a possible role player, with all three improving.

That's a nice first class.
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Exactly, and he had to scramble to get these guys after the Pearl debacle. Pretty good under the circumstances. How anyone can hold him accountable for that is beyond me; especially with a possible sanction staring us in the face.

Also, we lost Selby and Craft that year because of this debacle. Yeah, they left way before it all came down, but they knew what was about to happen since Pearl asked them to lie about being there. If Pearl tells the truth, we're not even discussing this........
 
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zjcvols said:
It's why I'm not getting the Thompson commitment. So, we are going to take another guy who needs to work on his ball handling? Why not just take Mathieu instead?
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I'm not trying to be critical, but have you seen our shooting?? I know our ball handling leaves a lot to the imagination too, but we need shooters badly. McRae had a great year, but had spots of inconsistency. Golden was the poster boy for inconsistency this year. Also, McBee.......well, you know.

Hubbs and Thompson can potentially helps us in that category right away. If Mathieu wants in, he will be here too I would think. Someone will be left out to make this happen.
 
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zjcvols said:
True.

I'd still rather have a PG. Maybe Reese goes JUCO and Landry goes prep so we can bring in Mathieu.
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If Mathieu wants to be here you dump what ya have to so you can get him. My take is Landry and Edwards.
 
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zjcvols said:
It's why I'm not getting the Thompson commitment. So, we are going to take another guy who needs to work on his ball handling? Why not just take Mathieu instead?
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Why are you talking about it like it's an either/or situation. Who says we can't have both? Thompson takes a redshirt year, improves ball-handling. And Mathieu backs up Trae this year and takes over next. It's not like UT has been ignoring Mathieu, we could still offer.
 
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TOP said:
After the previous coach went 6 for 6 after his arrival, why should the coach following him get a 4th year of he goes 0 for 3?

If you want to argue he wasn't left much, I don't know if I buy that. Pearl won with his recruits and I see no reason he wouldn't have continued winning with them. He turned Tennessee into somewhat of a powerhouse while he was here. No, I don't mean like Duke, MSU, Kansas etc. but he had us in the tournament every year, was beating #1's, got us to #1, top 5 attendance etc. Even with the NCAA sniffing around, the Tennessee basketball brand and resources should have been enough to sustain the success of making the tournament yearly. If CM goes 0 for 3, there is no need for a 4th year.

I guess that's just my opinion though.



And I don't know how I would rank this class in comparison to the others. Haven't seen em play.
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I really don't care about convincing anyone, but the fact is that Martin did not inherit one returning starter and no one averaged more than 9 points a game (Tatum) and the next closest was McBee at 3 points a game. I also don't believe any player maybe other than Tatum averaged more than 13 minutes a game. Pearl may have made the tournament, but it was going to be close. He was also banking on Ware and Jones (I know he didn't make it), and I believe Hopson may have stayed.

Martin had to reach in his first class just for bodies. The one area that Martin has struggled in is PG recruiting. He could have fixed the problem last year. Otherwise, he has done pretty well in short time. Basketball recruiting is long term with the early signing period. JMO.
 
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zjcvols said:
Who the **** cares?

He's coming to Tennessee. Martin got him. Coach K put the full court press on Hubbs and Martin still convinced Robert to come to UT. And if Robert wanted to stay close to home, and get immediate PT, why didn't he choose Memphis, which offers both?

Please.
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I don't think anyone has any argument re: Hubbs - just not enough Hubbs like recruiting to this point -- in a perfect Vol world we would want to see a top 5 recruiting class every year in Football and Basketball. It is not hard to see and appreciate the difference in recruiting and excitement with Jones and this football staff vs. Dools and the last staff. We could see the difference between Pearl and his staff and the Buzz staff.

We are up against the likes of Kentucky, Florida, and Missouri every year in basketball so we have to be able to recruit comparable talent. Smoke and mirrors - and poor shooting, poor ball handling projects will not lead to success. We need more Hubbs like recruiting. Hopefully, we will get it.
 
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His next recruiting class has a magnifying lense on it so big you could see a pebble on the moon. It is crucial that he secure a top 10 class.
 
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D

Very myopic recruiting philosophy, lack of adjustment to big time college hoops shark tank, cookie cutter players...go back to big1?
 
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#70
In the last 3 yrs - Ky ranked 1st in recruiting all 3 yrs - Florida has a 5th and 25th ranked class, LSU a 6th ranked class, Alabama a 5th ranked class, Arkansas a 7th, 17th ranked class and Tennessee hasn't cracked the top 30 from 2011 to 2013.

In contrast, Tennessee was ranked 7th in 08, and 9th in 10.

Source - rivals - I didn't check any other service.

C+ might be generous - if this were football or baseball and you go three years recruiting without breaking the top 30 -( A.) you suck and (B.) you are fired. I think this staff has to pick it up a couple of notches with their recruiting or we will have a nasty product in 2014 and 2015.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Their class is top 25, and may end up top 20 this year.
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28th scout, 22nd 247, not in the top 30 rivals. it is an improvement - but they have to do better than that.

We need to get back to playing and recruiting at the same level we were - and we need to be back in the dance every year. If Florida Gulf Coast can get there - we need to be able to get there. By the way - go FGCU go.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
28th scout, 22nd 247, not in the top 30 rivals. it is an improvement - but they have to do better than that.

We need to get back to playing and recruiting at the same level we were - and we need to be back in the dance every year. If Florida Gulf Coast can get there - we need to be able to get there. By the way - go FGCU go.
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Only one of those includes Darius Thompson which is kinda important...that's 24/7 who has us at 22. When Scout and Rivals add him we will move up in their rankings as well, so like I said top 25...and if we add Mathieu that would bump us into top 20.
 
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Was Stokes considered in the team rankings? My feeling is that he wasn't but not sure.

To be honest, other than Hopson, Harris, and McRae, Bruce's last few years were not that great. Hall, Woolridge, and Jurick all did not really pan out as 4 stars. Maze and Goins were probably better as 3 stars. Tatum was another 4 star that you can argue was an underachiever.

Martin seems to get a 5 star or take some 3 star guys who we hope to develop.
 
#75
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zjcvols said:
Q and Yemi both have shown flashes of being really good basketball players. They are still young.

And you seriously underrate Richardson. He's one of the best defenders in the South, plus he has the ability to score.
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Yemi is going into his junior year and struggles to do anything effectively and looked like he regressed this year.
 
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