Evaluating Martin's recruiting

#101
#101
bleedingTNorange said:
He was ineligible because he transferred schools within the memphis district or something to that effect...I'm sure there's a technical term or wording but he tried to transfer to Southwind and that's not allowed.
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If you change schools without changing residences, the tssaa requires you to sit out a year in varsity athletics.
 
#103
#103
BigZiti09 said:
If you change schools without changing residences, the tssaa requires you to sit out a year in varsity athletics.
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Does that rule still apply if your parents decide to move you from a public school to a private school or the other way around?
Some parents may decide they prefer the private school and decide they can afford it after the student has already started, or it could be the opposite, and they could have to pull their child out of private school.
It makes sense if the player is switching between two public schools without changing residences, but there are other factors when a private school is involved.
 
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#105
ukvols said:
Does that rule still apply if your parents decide to move you from a public school to a private school or the other way around?
Some parents may decide they prefer the private school and decide they can afford it after the student has already started, or it could be the opposite, and they could have to pull their child out of private school.
It makes sense if the player is switching between two public schools without changing residences, but there are other factors when a private school is involved.
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Not sure about that one. The rule is designed to discourage recruiting to high schools.
 
#107
#107
Roustabout said:
We were going to go. (honest truth) I remembered what a great time we had at the Georgetown game when UT played them at home in the NIT. General admission totally changes the atmosphere. It was a rowdy 8k. So much more exciting without the walking dead (donors) taking up the premo seats. Even though UT lost, it was a blast. Slay and the big guy from the Hoyas were fun to watch.
But first I asked myself if I really believed this team was going to play to win? The answer was a resounding, no. Based on Cuonzo's comments about 'doing enough' and the Bama effort, there was no way I would waste my time. And based on what I could tell, CCM was indifferent to either loss.
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There were 8k?
On TV, it looked like no one was at the G'town game. It looked like many lower-level sections were completely empty.
 
#108
#108
Chris4Vols22 said:
This is an issue that was very hot when Martin got here. Many were worried (which is understandable), so let's take a look at what Martin has done since he's been here at UT

2011
This was a "get what you can" class. We had to reload a depleted roster within 4 months. It was terrible timing, just really unfortunate for Martin. On the whole, this class was a wash, but not a failure.

Wes Washpun - great athlete, good kid, very raw, ultimately not what we needed

Josh Richardson - Martin's best example of players he likes. Athletic, tenacious defender, solid size and frame, solid potential for good offensive game. I think Richardson could jump on almost any NCAA roster and noticeably improve the team.

Yemi Makanjuola - Very raw, athletic, big guy. Has a ton of upside, but lack of organized experience is the biggest thing holding him back. I honestly cannot tell if Yemi will ultimately have a solid NCAA career or not.

Quinton Chievous - Hard worker, athletic, fiery player. Q hasn't seen the floor much, but he's usually productive when he has. The kid hustles, and his moves are quick, deliberate, and fluid. It's hard to tell if Q will in the rotation, but he's making his best case when Martin gives him the opportunities.

Dwight Miller - Wtf? I don't even know. A Jamie Dixon recruit sounded like boobs in the face after watching Brokeback Mountain back-to-back-to-back, but wtf has happened?

Jarnell Stokes - I don't need to break this down for you.

IMO, you give this class a C+ pre-Stokes, B with him.

2012
Martin's first class with a 1.5 year recruiting cycle with UT. We weren't hurting for players, so we only took 3 signees.

Armani Moore - another raw, athletic guard, hustler, excellent help-side defender, struggles on offense but shows flashes of promise. I like Moore, and am glad he in the rotation, but at the time of his recruitment, he is not what we needed.

Derek Reese - Skinny kid with decent jumper, and solid rebounder. Doesn't bring much else to the table, which is why we barely saw him. Was nice to see the big guy stroking the 3 every once in a while though.

D'Montre Edwards - Seemed like a solid, serviceable player. Good size and frame, showed ability to shoot, but apparently not good enough to get in the rotation.

IMO, this was not a good class outside of Moore, and I believe that Moore has overachieved. I doubt he was expecting to be a starter in the SEC as a freshman by the end of his senior year in HS.

2012 gets a D+

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2013

Robert Hubbs - Boom. 5-star, consensus top-20, McD's AA snub. Kid could have gone virtually anywhere he wanted, and Martin pulled him in here. I don't care what you say, a terrible coach doesn't pull in a Hubbs, let alone a Hubbs and Stokes within 3 years. Martin deserves more credit than he's gotten for landing Hubbs

AJ Davis - One of Martin's more highly-ranked non-5star. This is the kind of recruit (along with Josh Richardson) that we want to see Martin pull instead of Reese, Edwards, Washpun, etc. We obviously haven't seen him play yet, but I think he will be solid. I'm hoping he sees 10-15 mpg next season.

Travon Landry - Most peculiar recruit Martin has pursued. Not highly-ranked, very perplexing stats, but revered as a solid PG. 99% of the time, you don't even bat a lash at this kid, but as we all know, we need a PG. I would say this is not worth it, but my god, if he can just dribble the ball up the court against the press, it would be TREMENDOUSLY helpful for us. Since the addition of Thompson, Landry is possibly the one depart from the tentative roster. We'll see.

Darius Thompson - IMO, another kind of recruit you want to see Martin pull in. I'm a little worried about his ball-handling and quickness, but I am confident that Martin is doing everything he can to fix the problem. I think Thompson will end up being a contributor next season, but I admit that he may have the potential to be not be helpful. Again, we'll see.

I think you give this class a B+, maybe even an A-. I think the subtraction of Landry is inconsequential to the final grade.

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So, how are you guys feeling about recruiting nowadays? Seems like it was THE biggest issue a while ago, but I think confidence has grown amongst the fanbase.

The 2014 class has the potential to make us one of the best teams in the country. We are after the 3 big Ls - Lyle, Looney, and Lindsey. I know it's a far shot, but if we even got 2 of those three, we'd POSSIBLY have Lyle, Looney, Hubbs, and Stokes all on one roster.
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Nice thread. Too bad you can't keep people from trying to highjack it with fire CCM or Pearl could do this or Pearl did that. Frustrating in every single thread.

My take, CCM was extremely lucky with the Stokes situation. It's kinda like he won the lottery. If he doesn't come in early and waits for Spring to commit, then I really don't think he comes here. We will never know, but KY was knocking at the door and after the year they had and the roster pretty much going straight to the NBA, then I think Stokes goes to KY. Still you have to give CCM an A for bringing in a 5*.

CCM had to take Miller. He needed big bodies. Who did he really have at the time...Hall who has shown nothing. Yemi who didn't start on his HS team. Maymon that looked like a bull in a china shop the year before. So, even though it never really worked out for Miller, I think it was a pretty good get. If healthy, I think he has a very solid year this year and we make the dance with him. Never know though. C for Miller.

Now to Ware....yes Kevin Ware. Seeing him play pretty well this year running backup pg at times at Louisville kinda pisses me off. CCM chose not to re-recruit Ware. He said it didn't fit his style. I think not trying to get Ware was a huge mistake. The next 2 years will prove that, but again we will never know if he would have came here, but not trying was a mistake. F for CCM for not recruiting Ware.

Richardson was who CCM wanted instead of Ware. Uhhh...he could have got both, but anyway, he's a solid 4 year player that will really never be great, but solid. In a perfect world, Richardson is roll player that comes off the bench and not someone that eats up 30 min a game. B for Richardson.

Yemi is going into his Jr year. The minutes he saw at the end of last year is what he will probably see next year. Hopefully, he will be over recruited next year also see less than 10 min a game his Senior. He's a fouling machine and is unable to finish a foot from the basket. Funny thing is I like Yemi. He adds some energy when in the game, but lets keep in under 10 min. D for Yemi.

Q will be a solid 4 year player if we keep the 4 guard running lineup. Go back to half court offense, then he's a waste of a scholly being undersized and probably stuck at the 4. C for Q.

Washpun was an embarrassment. Clearly an F.

First year is like taking a test and only know half the answers so you put "C" down for the rest and once you get your grade back you find out that you end up with a C+. CCM had a pretty bad class and ended up with a passing grade of a D when Stokes fell into his lap.


Reese hopefully will be over recruited. Simple as that. I think he will really never see significant minutes at his best. F for Reese.

Moore could be a Liggins type player. Very athletic, good defensively, limited offensively, but is a good addition to the team. Moore being generous is a B.

Every time I saw Edwards I keep thinking man he's got potential offensively. Nice shot. Great moves to the basket. Can drive the ball. I think if we played the running style offense at the beginning of the year when CCM was trying to find his rotation, then I think Edwards could have made more of an impact. Just cause I think he could be an impact next year a C.

F for CCM not bringing in a pg. Clearly Moore was not a pg. I'm giving CCM credit in realizing that he may be D1 talent being a combo guard so that is why he was added.

I give this class an F. Clearly the biggest need was pg.

Hubbs and Davis will be great additions and will of course both see significant minutes. A for Hubbs. B for Davis.

Landry lost his starting job as a high school senior to a Sophmore. Clearly I'm giving this an F.

Thompson is another tall combo guard being brought in here as a backup to Golden. He will probably be a pretty good player, so C as a player and an F for CCM not bringing in a decent pg.

D average for 3rd year. Bring in the juco pg and drop Landry then the class goes to a B+.
 
#109
#109
Maybe I'm mis-reading this, but Miller and Yemi were not left overs from Pearls' tenure. They both signed with CCM in the Spring after his hiring.

TNDRIVER said:
Miller and Yemi are leftovers from Pearl's tenure. But by and large you're right we have 4 players that are legit on any one's roster, several others that are legit role players could be on many teams roster, a couple coming in that should help immediately, and a couple of projects. Biggest needs are a true center and a legit point guard. To me I am needing a PG I recruit a true point guard not a combo guard or a two guard that many thinks might be turned into a PG, give me a point guard. If you cannot get a center here in the states the comb the rest of the world and get one but get us a center preferably a 7 footer (+), please.
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#112
#112
johnnybravo said:
Nice thread. Too bad you can't keep people from trying to highjack it with fire CCM or Pearl could do this or Pearl did that. Frustrating in every single thread.

My take, CCM was extremely lucky with the Stokes situation. It's kinda like he won the lottery. If he doesn't come in early and waits for Spring to commit, then I really don't think he comes here. We will never know, but KY was knocking at the door and after the year they had and the roster pretty much going straight to the NBA, then I think Stokes goes to KY. Still you have to give CCM an A for bringing in a 5*.

CCM had to take Miller. He needed big bodies. Who did he really have at the time...Hall who has shown nothing. Yemi who didn't start on his HS team. Maymon that looked like a bull in a china shop the year before. So, even though it never really worked out for Miller, I think it was a pretty good get. If healthy, I think he has a very solid year this year and we make the dance with him. Never know though. C for Miller.

Now to Ware....yes Kevin Ware. Seeing him play pretty well this year running backup pg at times at Louisville kinda pisses me off. CCM chose not to re-recruit Ware. He said it didn't fit his style. I think not trying to get Ware was a huge mistake. The next 2 years will prove that, but again we will never know if he would have came here, but not trying was a mistake. F for CCM for not recruiting Ware.

Richardson was who CCM wanted instead of Ware. Uhhh...he could have got both, but anyway, he's a solid 4 year player that will really never be great, but solid. In a perfect world, Richardson is roll player that comes off the bench and not someone that eats up 30 min a game. B for Richardson.

Yemi is going into his Jr year. The minutes he saw at the end of last year is what he will probably see next year. Hopefully, he will be over recruited next year also see less than 10 min a game his Senior. He's a fouling machine and is unable to finish a foot from the basket. Funny thing is I like Yemi. He adds some energy when in the game, but lets keep in under 10 min. D for Yemi.

Q will be a solid 4 year player if we keep the 4 guard running lineup. Go back to half court offense, then he's a waste of a scholly being undersized and probably stuck at the 4. C for Q.

Washpun was an embarrassment. Clearly an F.

First year is like taking a test and only know half the answers so you put "C" down for the rest and once you get your grade back you find out that you end up with a C+. CCM had a pretty bad class and ended up with a passing grade of a D when Stokes fell into his lap.


Reese hopefully will be over recruited. Simple as that. I think he will really never see significant minutes at his best. F for Reese.

Moore could be a Liggins type player. Very athletic, good defensively, limited offensively, but is a good addition to the team. Moore being generous is a B.

Every time I saw Edwards I keep thinking man he's got potential offensively. Nice shot. Great moves to the basket. Can drive the ball. I think if we played the running style offense at the beginning of the year when CCM was trying to find his rotation, then I think Edwards could have made more of an impact. Just cause I think he could be an impact next year a C.

F for CCM not bringing in a pg. Clearly Moore was not a pg. I'm giving CCM credit in realizing that he may be D1 talent being a combo guard so that is why he was added.

I give this class an F. Clearly the biggest need was pg.

Hubbs and Davis will be great additions and will of course both see significant minutes. A for Hubbs. B for Davis.

Landry lost his starting job as a high school senior to a Sophmore. Clearly I'm giving this an F.

Thompson is another tall combo guard being brought in here as a backup to Golden. He will probably be a pretty good player, so C as a player and an F for CCM not bringing in a decent pg.

D average for 3rd year. Bring in the juco pg and drop Landry then the class goes to a B+.
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So I'm reading this right an F for this years class because he didn't bring in a pure point guard?
 
#114
#114
Donvolson said:
Martin has had terrible starts of the season ,which has kept us out of the dance. We were good enough to make the field. losing to mercer at home in the first round of the NOT isn't acceptable on any level
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The start this year wasn't that bad. It was the middle of the season. We were 8-4 and then 11-10. The start of the conference schedule was tough, but we needed to beat OM at home.
 
#115
#115
Fullfillmer said:
I will just say that one team looked well prepared and well scouted and one team looked like Miami did against Marquette last night.

Looked like a Wade Houston coached team where our point guard plays the entire game without an assist --Mercer made layup after layup on crisp cuts and plays and we looked like a pickup team that had formed in the parking lot 5 minutes before tip off. One without a point guard I might add.

Were it not for Stokes we would have lost by 20. Comparable to having Carson Newman take us to the woodshed in Neyland in football.
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Not even close to Carson Newman so I assume you were being sarcastic. Mercer won the league that Florida Gulf Coast is in. Not bad, but I agree that we should beat them.
 
#116
#116
Here is how the Stokes situation unfolded. After his junior year, he announced that he was going to Oak Hill. However, some time later, he decided not to go to Oak Hill because I think he just wanted to stay home. At that point, I am really not sure the reason, but he decided to leave Central. I am not sure if he had to because he was planning to leave for Oak Hill or if he just decided on a change. He transferred to Southwind, but the TSSAA declared him ineligible, so he graduated early.

Another thing that people forget is that he was friends with Cam Clear, and I believe Stokes may also have a brother at UT. The open scholarship was just part of it. He also publicly stated that he really wasn't interested in UT after the coaching change until he accidentally took a call from Martin. He said Martin was great and he really liked him.
 
#117
#117
Coach Martin's recruiting has pretty closely mirrored his first two seaons, a lot of average to below average wrapped around two bright shining moments. The two February stretches are the equivalents to the two five star recruits.

Clearly, he needs to pick up the pace with both in the next season. That's his big chance.
 
#119
#119
zjcvols said:
Q and Yemi both have shown flashes of being really good basketball players. They are still young.

And you seriously underrate Richardson. He's one of the best defenders in the South, plus he has the ability to score.
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Couldn't we say that about any player in the country....we tend to over rate some of these guys bc we expected absolutely nothing and any time they do anything, we claim potential....Q, and Moore both avg 2 pts and 2 reb a game and appear very limited offensively...yemi avg 1 pt per game and 2 reb while shooting 38%.
 
#120
#120
johnnybravo said:
Can't remember where. I'll look for it though. I remember reading that Sophmore Nevelle Provo was starting at the end of the year.
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Hmm never heard that, the games at the end of the year that where televised Landry was starting. Infact the highly rated PG who transferred in (grandstaff) transferred BACK to Texas because he wasn't getting PT (over Landry or Provo).

I'll ask Travon, but to the best of my knowledge he was the starter all year (barring injury).
 
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