Expectations and Keys

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JZVOL said:
I don't really disagree with any of that.

I think the thing newer posters don't get sometimes is many posters around here can point out flaws of their team or coach and still be a huge fan.
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To me, that's not a problem, BUT the big deal on this board is the overwhelming negativity towards the team they are supporting. Hat and BigPapaVol have over 33,000 posts apiece and look at the constant

If you dare to counter them.....gulp....say something good about Tennessee and Pearl (Shocking on a Tennesse site), then it is simply blind homerism. Those two buy into the ridiculous idea that, if you are posting something negative, then you are being "realistic". It's crazy and completely absurd for a coach who, unlike Fulmer, hasn't actually done much to deserve it.

Why would a Vol fan want to come here and post when the only acceptable posts are ones that are negative to their team? I mean, you post something that says the Vols will have a successful season and watch out! Hatvol and others are coming with a sh-tstorm and knives. Post a negative comment and you'll get a little comment from hat and others about how much smarter you are than the "Pearlophiles".
 
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Unimane said:
To me, that's not a problem, BUT the big deal on this board is the overwhelming negativity towards the team they are supporting. Hat and BigPapaVol have over 33,000 posts apiece and look at the constant

If you dare to counter them.....gulp....say something good about Tennessee and Pearl (Shocking on a Tennesse site), then it is simply blind homerism. Those two simply buy into the ridiculous idea that, if you are posting something negative, then you are being "realistic".

Why would a Vol fan want to come here and post when the only acceptable posts are ones that are negative to their team? I mean, you post something that says the Vols will have a successful season and watch out! Hatvol and others are coming with a sh-tstorm and knives. Post a negative comment and you'll get a little comment from hat and others about how much smarter you are than the "Pearlophiles".
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So how is that any different from people like you blowing a gasket anytime anyone says anything remotely negative about Pearl?

Also, considering it is football season, there is a pretty good amount of activity in the basketball forum, so apparently Vol fans do want to come in here and post.
 
#78
#78
emainvol said:
So how is that any different from people like you blowing a gasket anytime anyone says anything remotely negative about Pearl?

Also, considering it is football season, there is a pretty good amount of activity in the basketball forum, so apparently Vol fans do want to come in here and post.
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Driven by a few posters, namely the ones I mentioned above. For a site to have someone who actually is as connected at hat, there should be a lot more people here than there are.

And I'm only blowing a gasket because I've seen him in action for months and I got fed up with it. I'm fine with critiques (Did you read my OP?), but using the board for a personal vendetta of some sort (Which is what hat is doing), is crap IMO.
 
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Unimane said:
To me, that's not a problem, BUT the big deal on this board is the overwhelming negativity towards the team they are supporting. Hat and BigPapaVol have over 33,000 posts apiece and look at the constant

If you dare to counter them.....gulp....say something good about Tennessee and Pearl (Shocking on a Tennesse site), then it is simply blind homerism. Those two buy into the ridiculous idea that, if you are posting something negative, then you are being "realistic". It's crazy and completely absurd for a coach who, unlike Fulmer, hasn't actually done much to deserve it.

Why would a Vol fan want to come here and post when the only acceptable posts are ones that are negative to their team? I mean, you post something that says the Vols will have a successful season and watch out! Hatvol and others are coming with a sh-tstorm and knives. Post a negative comment and you'll get a little comment from hat and others about how much smarter you are than the "Pearlophiles".
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Very well said. I will tell you that Hoopsville has a decidedly different feel to it with objectivity present as well. Funny thing is that you can have both "Homers" and "Haters", and things can be great, but when one sides decides (arbitrarily I might add) that the other side is not only not allowed to talk about their opinions, but are even derided at every turn when they do. The administrators at this site really need to step up, because is has gotten so out of hand (the personal attacks and snarky comments after any post giving any credit to coaching staff) that it simply is not as enjoyable as it should be to be a part of this board.
 
#80
#80
Unimane said:
Why would a Vol fan want to come here and post when the only acceptable posts are ones that are negative to their team?
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Funny, this place has never had problems adding new posters. The only people who appear concerned about this phenomenon are you and your ilk, all who appear to have migrated here because the loser boards you've been posting on can't hold your interest. Nobody here sent for you, nobody will miss you if you leave. Volnation will keep right on growing with or without you.
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#81
#81
TennaciousD957 said:
Very well said. I will tell you that Hoopsville has a decidedly different feel to it with objectivity present as well. Funny thing is that you can have both "Homers" and "Haters", and things can be great, but when one sides decides (arbitrarily I might add) that the other side is not only not allowed to talk about their opinions, but are even derided at every turn when they do. The administrators at this site really need to step up, because is has gotten so out of hand (the personal attacks and snarky comments after any post giving any credit to coaching staff) that it simply is not as enjoyable as it should be to be a part of this board.
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Then leave. This isn't the old Soviet Union. I'm pretty sure there's nothing blocking you from slithering back over to Hoopsville, Volquest, or any other halfwit infested UT board.
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#82
#82
Unimane said:
Driven by a few posters, namely the ones I mentioned above. For a site to have someone who actually is as connected at hat, there should be a lot more people here than there are.

And I'm only blowing a gasket because I've seen him in action for months and I got fed up with it. I'm fine with critiques (Did you read my OP?), but using the board for a personal vendetta of some sort (Which is what hat is doing), is crap IMO.
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That's great, IMO you are a hypocrite.
 
#83
#83
TennaciousD957 said:
The administrators at this site really need to step up, because is has gotten so out of hand (the personal attacks and snarky comments after any post giving any credit to coaching staff) that it simply is not as enjoyable as it should be to be a part of this board.
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I love it when people show up and start giving orders.
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#85
#85
Unimane said:
For a site to have someone who actually is as connected at hat, there should be a lot more people here than there are.
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See, that's the dilemma. The day this place starts to look like the other UT boards, I won't be here.
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#86
#86
TennaciousD957 said:
Your points of emphasis for this season are valid. Last years team definitely lacked mental toughness. In fact one could say if the coaching staff and/or players could add that one simple ingredient to the mix, then this years team (which is almost identical to last years +Goins, Hall, and McBee which will be role players at best) will be vastly improved compared to last year. IMO vast improvement would equal 26-29 wins and Sweet 16. Could we be a top 8 team over the course of the season? Not by talent and not over the long haul of the season, because as others have stated repeatedly teams such as UK, MSU, KANSAS, UNC have decided talent advantages. However we IMO have a decided talent advantage over the rest of the field and its the team that wins each of their individual games in the tourney that advance. IMO that gives a chance for a great season if said mental toughness is developed over this off season. Maybe we will be the exact same team this year as last, but some improvement could go a long way.
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The advantage those programs have is talent plus coaches with proven records. Tennessee has enough talent to compete with the big boys of college basketball this year, do they have a coach who can bring it all together?

I'm looking forward to this season, because Pearl and his team have something to prove after last year. Also, I believe in the short term, Calipari going to Kentucky will be good for this team. It makes the Vols more the hunter than hunted and challenges Pearl to do a better job than last year.
 
#87
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hatvol96 said:
Then leave. This isn't the old Soviet Union. I'm pretty sure there's nothing blocking you from slithering back over to Hoopsville, Volquest, or any other halfwit infested UT board.
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Funny thing Hat, is that you could leave as well. The same argument (as lame as your arguments tend to be) applies here. If you are sooo unhappy with the program then why on earth do you spend so much time talking about it. I can assure you that if myself and my ilk as you call it were to up and leave this site it would be you and about 3 other posters complaining about which one of you hates Bruce the most. Now that sounds like a great message board. I got a great idea how about the whole world think exactly like you then all of our problems would be fixed. Why do want people to agree with so badly? And of course there is simply no way I am leaving because of you and your spewings. I am a Vol Fan and enjoy reading about and discussing Vol topics. Your assimilation tactics may work on some, but I am not some. I am sure this argument will continue in the future, I hope next time though you might actually bring some intellectual ammo, instead of playground antics.
 
#88
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TennaciousD957 said:
I can assure you that if myself and my ilk as you call it were to up and leave this site it would be you and about 3 other posters complaining about which one of you hates Bruce the most.
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The same logic OrangeSquare and his merry band of Fulmerites used when I started shredding Fulmer in mid 2005. That's about 20,000 new members ago. I'm doing a really awful job of executing my plan to run everyone off.
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#89
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How could we "complain about who hates Bruce Pearl the most?" That doesn't even make any damn sense.
 
#91
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sk vol said:
The advantage those programs have is talent plus coaches with proven records. Tennessee has enough talent to compete with the big boys of college basketball this year, do they have a coach who can bring it all together?

I'm looking forward to this season, because Pearl and his team have something to prove after last year. Also, I believe in the short term, Calipari going to Kentucky will be good for this team. It makes the Vols more the hunter than hunted and challenges Pearl to do a better job than last year.
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Until we have a guy that can step up and give us good play at the point we don't.
 
#93
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emainvol said:
That's great, IMO you are a hypocrite.
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Because......?

Oh, is it because I prefer actual discussion of UT b-ball that isn't required to be negative, or at least not overly negative based on the relative success of the program?

It's one thing to look at Fulmer and say, hey we've had two losing seasons, our recruiting is choppy and this sucks. It's another to say, hey, I know he's the most successful coach we've had, but let's find ways to talk sh-t about him anyway.

If you bothered to read my OP, then you would see I'm not pumping sunshine all the time.
 
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KB5252 said:
Until we have a guy that can step up and give us good play at the point we don't.
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If the PG position can defend and carry a good turnover to assist ratio, there are ways to scheme around deficiencies. UT has one point guard who does a pretty good job with the turnover to assist in Maze, but his defense was poor last year. Goins is supposed to be a player who is capable of playing D, but his turnover numbers in junior college does not speak to a player who values the ball. If Pearl can find a happy medium between the two, then he will earn his paycheck.
 
#95
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Unimane said:
Because......?

Oh, is it because I prefer actual discussion of UT b-ball that isn't required to be negative, or at least not overly negative based on the relative success of the program?

It's one thing to look at Fulmer and say, hey we've had two losing seasons, our recruiting is choppy and this sucks. It's another to say, hey, I know he's the most successful coach we've had, but let's find ways to talk sh-t about him anyway.

If you bothered to read my OP, then you would see I'm not pumping sunshine all the time.
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See, there you go assuming things.

and you are a hypocrite because you engage in the same behavior that you complain about... it's simple really.
 
#97
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sk vol said:
If the PG position can defend and carry a good turnover to assist ratio, there are ways to scheme around deficiencies. UT has one point guard who does a pretty good job with the turnover to assist in Maze, but his defense was poor last year. Goins is supposed to be a player who is capable of playing D, but his turnover numbers in junior college does not speak to a player who values the ball. If Pearl can find a happy medium between the two, then he will earn his paycheck.
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The keys for us this year will be improved point play on both ends, better 3 pt% and finishing in the paint. All things we didn't do very well to differing degrees last year.
 
#98
#98
IGNORE function.
I have one person on my ignore list.

The boards have been more pleasant since. Conversations/Debates are worthwhile now.

If someone bothers you that bad, IGNORE them.
 
#99
#99
TennaciousD957 said:
Isn't that cute. An anti-Bruce poster calling anyone that does not spew vile towards Bruce a homer. If you believe that withholding judgement on a team and a coach until the season plays out is homerism, then maybe you check this link (Urban Dictionary: Homerism).

It is quite obvious that you are disparaging Bruce based mostly on last year's performance, which as I stated previously was a complete disappointment to anyone with orange blood and eyes that work. I, as will most fans, watch this year in anticipation that this team should and will improve. If they do not (i.e. pg play, team defense, rebounding, and 3pt shooting are poor) then your arguments will have some validity and you will find many more people shifting to your side. However for you and Hat to spew your opinions like they are fact, set in stone and written in blood, and to insult anyone who disagrees has ruined the legitimate basketball discussion in this site. You can call me anything you like if its makes you feel better, but it does not in anyway support your argument. Only the play on the court can do that.
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Look, hatvol is the only guy who is willing to write for free so they put up with the fact that he is a bitter misdirected blowhard. He compares us to UK and UNC and Duke and Kansas and finds us lacking. No sh.. sherlock. We are not one of the top 5 basketball programs in the U.S. but we are one of the top 20 or so since Bruce Pearl came along and that is fantastic. We also had 1 good year under Jerry Green who used someone elses players, never brought in good recruits himself and who was mocked by pot smoking players who could not run the floor because they were eating too much pizza at night after games of Goldeneye and a bowl of sticky. We were great under Mears but I do not think many on the board are interested in being the Alabama of college basketball, talking about something that happened before any of the current players were alive.

Many of us do not love the motion offense, many of us have complained about a lack of defensive intensity, many of us criticized Pearl for being in Israel while Worldwide We$$$ took Selby, but we do not call him Tanning Bed (which must be the lamest insult since gator) and we do not talk about how he is spending too much time at a list of 5-6 restaurants. I can only assume that he is old, pale and has incredible jealousy towards Bruce Pearl who has had more success in the basketball world than he can dream of.

He is not the only guy with connections either, if a HS kid right now wanted to start a rolodex you could find AAU coaches, assistants at Big East, ACC, SEC and Big 12 conventions and especially retired blowhards who would return your calls. If you were over 21 and you went to some coaching conventions and bought some steaks and whiskey and quoted them without attribution you could be an insider in no time. Sad sad sad.
 
#100
#100
JZVOL said:
I don't really disagree with any of that.

I think the thing newer posters don't get sometimes is many posters around here can point out flaws of their team or coach and still be a huge fan.
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Jz many of us also criticize and support. We despise the absurd bashing that can only be explained by personal loss (girlfriend?) jealousy or anti semitism.
 
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