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#77
#77
doozer said:
if it suits you, that's fine.

you can disagree all you want, despite the facts, statistics and examples saying otherwise.
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The facts? Hamilton crossed the finish line first more times than Massa.

Stats? Hamilton's average margin of victory destroyed Massa's.

Examples? Massa was gifted two wins, as well as having two wins taken away from him Lewis had no wins gifted to him and one win taken away.


Not buying it.
 
#78
#78
ummm...Massa won more races than Hamilton.

again, a driver who is "far and away the better driver'" shouldn't need a pass on the last turn of the last lap to clinch the championship. and he should win by more than one point.

"far and away the better driver" is locking up the championship at the US GP a la Schumi several years ago.

if you want to be wrong, well, there's nothing more i can do here.
 
#79
#79
doozer said:
ummm...Massa won more races than Hamilton.

again, a driver who is "far and away the better driver'" shouldn't need a pass on the last turn of the last lap to clinch the championship. and he should win by more than one point.

"far and away the better driver" is locking up the championship at the US GP a la Schumi several years ago.

if you want to be wrong, well, there's nothing more i can do here.
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Wow. If they were in equal machinery that might be the case. But McLaren were at a disadvantage throughout the season. And Massa didn't win the most races. He was handed a race that he was nowhere near competitive in, and gained another win by the misfortune of Kimi. There were only four instances in which Massa was the best driver over a weekend. There were 6, maybe 7 where Hamilton was clearly the best on track.


But you can keep being a shortsighted Ferrari fan.
 
#80
#80
ptclaus98 said:
Wow. If they were in equal machinery that might be the case. But McLaren were at a disadvantage throughout the season. And Massa didn't win the most races. He was handed a race that he was nowhere near competitive in, and gained another win by the misfortune of Kimi. There were only four instances in which Massa was the best driver over a weekend. There were 6, maybe 7 where Hamilton was clearly the best on track.


But you can keep being a shortsighted Ferrari fan.
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:rock:
 
#84
#84
Psssh, I'm not waiting for tonight, hopefully I can catch FP1 on the 'net. Thank the good Lord for proxies and internet live streams.
 
#87
#87
wow...trying to post results is a mess.

hope this works:

Times
01 N. Rosberg Williams 1:26.687 19 laps
02 K. Nakajima Williams 1:26.736 21 laps
03 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:26.750 24 laps
04 R. Barrichello Brawn GP 1:27.226 21 laps
05 H. Kovalainen McLaren 1:27.453 15 laps
06 J. Button Brawn GP 1:27.467 12 laps
07 F. Massa Ferrari 1:27.642 24 laps
08 T. Glock Toyota 1:27.710 24 laps
09 A. Sutil Force India 1:27.993 20 laps
10 F. Alonso Renault 1:28.123 16 laps
11 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:28.137 20 laps
12 J. Trulli Toyota 1:28.142 21 laps
13 R. Kubica BMW 1:28.511 22 laps
14 G. Fisichella Force India 1:28.603 16 laps
15 S. Buemi Toro Rosso 1:28.785 27 laps
16 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:29.042 18 laps
17 M. Webber Red Bull 1:29.081 7 laps
18 N. Piquet jr. Renault 1:29.461 25 laps
19 S. Bourdais Toro Rosso 1:29.499 21 laps
20 S. Vettel Red Bull 1:32.784 4 laps
 
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#88
#88
ptclaus98 said:
Psssh, I'm not waiting for tonight, hopefully I can catch FP1 on the 'net. Thank the good Lord for proxies and internet live streams.
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Ooh, I see. On the guide it didn't clarify which practice was at 1:30 that I mentioned. I just assumed it was the first. I didn't end up staying awake for it anyway.
 
#89
#89
#90
#90
doozer said:
wow...trying to post results is a mess.

hope this works:

Times
01 N. Rosberg Williams 1:26.687 19 laps
02 K. Nakajima Williams 1:26.736 21 laps
03 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:26.750 24 laps
04 R. Barrichello Brawn GP 1:27.226 21 laps
05 H. Kovalainen McLaren 1:27.453 15 laps
06 J. Button Brawn GP 1:27.467 12 laps
07 F. Massa Ferrari 1:27.642 24 laps
08 T. Glock Toyota 1:27.710 24 laps
09 A. Sutil Force India 1:27.993 20 laps
10 F. Alonso Renault 1:28.123 16 laps
11 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:28.137 20 laps
12 J. Trulli Toyota 1:28.142 21 laps
13 R. Kubica BMW 1:28.511 22 laps
14 G. Fisichella Force India 1:28.603 16 laps
15 S. Buemi Toro Rosso 1:28.785 27 laps
16 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:29.042 18 laps
17 M. Webber Red Bull 1:29.081 7 laps
18 N. Piquet jr. Renault 1:29.461 25 laps
19 S. Bourdais Toro Rosso 1:29.499 21 laps
20 S. Vettel Red Bull 1:32.784 4 laps
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I'm a little surprised to see Williams on top of the chart.
 
#92
#92
Willams and two other teams are using a difuser that is in the grey area of the new rules. The other teams are going to dispute this and they may make them stop running it soon. But I say if the teams that did not bring it then their loss.

Qualifying is on at 2am can't wait.
 
#94
#94
bop_rocco said:
Willams and two other teams are using a difuser that is in the grey area of the new rules. The other teams are going to dispute this and they may make them stop running it soon. But I say if the teams that did not bring it then their loss.

Qualifying is on at 2am can't wait.
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Yep, looks like that one thing has made the difference.

Red Bull isn't using it, and they're still pretty fast. McLaren looks like they'll still be way off once they start using it or the other teams are forced to stop.
 
#95
#95
tidwell said:
Yep, looks like that one thing has made the difference.

Red Bull isn't using it, and they're still pretty fast. McLaren looks like they'll still be way off once they start using it or the other teams are forced to stop.
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I don't think it's the diffusers as much as it is the KERS. Red Bull and Kubica were both pretty quick.
 
#97
#97
Weck with 40 left. Love the new rule that you can come in during a yellow. Makes it interesting.
 
#99
#99
going to be a boring year if things keep along this path.

i haven't seen the race yet, but it didn't look like anybody had anything for Button.

as long as it's not McLaren, that's all that really matters.
 
#100
#100
doozer said:
going to be a boring year if things keep along this path.

i haven't seen the race yet, but it didn't look like anybody had anything for Button.

as long as it's not McLaren, that's all that really matters.
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:eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:


That race was better than last year's. This season will be just fine.
 
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