Fauci-gate

#151
#151
allvol123 said:
Literally dont give a damn about Trump.

I am attacking a supposed person of science for lying to our country and continuing to perpetuate lies that helped lead to facilitating decisions that hurt hundreds of millions of people.
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No. No you aren't.
 
#155
#155
allvol123 said:
Literally dont give a damn about Trump.

I am attacking a supposed person of science for lying to our country and continuing to perpetuate lies that helped lead to facilitating decisions that hurt hundreds of millions of people.
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And most people who were willing to think critically instead of accepting him at face value at least suspected he was a fraud within a couple of weeks after he first became a public figure.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The ONLY reason you guys are attacking Fauci is an end around to try to make Trump look good/not horrendous.
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So you believe that Fauci has been 100% correct this entire time. And there is no reasonable reason to call Fauci out for ANY of his behavior this whole time?

Drop the partisan bs.

You are only defending Fauci so you dont have to admit Trump wasnt the only one to blame.
 
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allvol123 said:
Literally dont give a damn about Trump.

I am attacking a supposed person of science for lying to our country and continuing to perpetuate lies that helped lead to facilitating decisions that hurt hundreds of millions of people.
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This.
 
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#158
AshG said:
Gah! Come on! Really???

Does every scandal have to end in -gate? Have we not advanced enough as a species in 50+ years that we can't come up with a better naming scheme?

Now I wish Fauci would slink away just so we can get past another bad scandal name.
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Yeah, I agree. We should end everything in -bate.
 
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#159
LouderVol said:
So you believe that Fauci has been 100% correct this entire time. And there is no reasonable reason to call Fauci out for ANY of his behavior this whole time?

Drop the partisan bs.

You are only defending Fauci so you dont have to admit Trump wasnt the only one to blame.
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The level of naivete @lawgator1 is exhibit is similar to what we've seen from Fauci and his obsessive defense of the Chinese virologist. Had Fauci supported the possibility that this originated from a lab from the beginning the world would be much further along because the US would've taken it more seriously than as a political football.

I don't care who it benefits this pandemic will go down in the history books. I think there is more we will find out as to why Fauci proceeded in this manner unless the democrats are full chinese operatives at this point.
 
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BreatheUT said:
The level of naivete @lawgator1 is exhibit is similar to what we've seen from Fauci and his obsessive defense of the Chinese virologist. Had Fauci supported the possibility that this originated from a lab from the beginning the world would be much further along because the US would've taken it more seriously than as a political football.

I don't care who it benefits this pandemic will go down in the history books. I think there is more we will find out as to why Fauci proceeded in this manner unless the democrats are full chinese operatives at this point.
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How would publically accepted suspicion it was lab grown made anything better, different, or further along?
 
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#161
utvolpj said:
One person was responsible for putting Fauci in that position. Evidently he was too scared of mean words to make a change and provide leadership. We paid the price
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He wasn’t afraid of mean words, he was afraid it would hurt his public perception to the point of affecting his re-election bid.
 
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McDad said:
How would publically accepted suspicion it was lab grown made anything better, different, or further along?
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I think public sentiment would've been there for the US to push harder for an independent investigation or press the Chinese harder. The media laughed it off as a Trump hoax in part because Fauci was out here vouching for the lab. They were able to use this as another weapon in the fight against Trump.
 
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McDad said:
How would publically accepted suspicion it was lab grown made anything better, different, or further along?
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It would have put the WHO on the spot. It would have opened the media (possibly) to being more accepting of deviating information from the official government line.

On the latter, it's pretty amazing and sad to see how the media went from not trusting the government (particularly the Intel agencies) to becoming the mouthpiece for them. The number of former Intel Community members that are sources and analysts for the media is staggering.
 
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McDad said:
How would publically accepted suspicion it was lab grown made anything better, different, or further along?
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We may not be as publically divided on Covid as we are now. I dont think you would see as many corona bros judging every criticism as pure blown "hoax" level arguments.

I think the same thing with Fauci and the various health departments. If they had hedged their statements, saying "we dont have the full data to back this up, but we believe masks and shutting down schools to be the best option right now.". You wouldnt see as much anger, even if masks and shut downs had stayed just as long.

They went absolute on relying on their authority. I have no idea why. The data was put there. At some point they had to figure things would change and stuff would keep coming out. No idea why they just circled the wagons so hard.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I think public sentiment would've been there for the US to push harder for an independent investigation or press the Chinese harder. The media laughed it off as a Trump hoax in part because Fauci was out here vouching for the lab. They were able to use this as another weapon in the fight against Trump.
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Do you think it would have changed how the federal government, states, or individuals would have approached responding to the pandemic?
 
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#167
volinbham said:
It would have put the WHO on the spot. It would have opened the media (possibly) to being more accepting of deviating information from the official government line.

On the latter, it's pretty amazing and sad to see how the media went from not trusting the government (particularly the Intel agencies) to becoming the mouthpiece for them. The number of former Intel Community members that are sources and analysts for the media is staggering.
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Same response to pandemic or different?
 
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#168
LouderVol said:
We may not be as publically divided on Covid as we are now. I dont think you would see as many corona bros judging every criticism as pure blown "hoax" level arguments.

I think the same thing with Fauci and the various health departments. If they had hedged their statements, saying "we dont have the full data to back this up, but we believe masks and shutting down schools to be the best option right now.". You wouldnt see as much anger, even if masks and shut downs had stayed just as long.

They went absolute on relying on their authority. I have no idea why. The data was put there. At some point they had to figure things would change and stuff would keep coming out. No idea why they just circled the wagons so hard.
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as evidence on this - the whole concern about surface contamination was righted as soon as the data emerged and people are generally not upset that the guidance changed since it was clearly in line with what the data was telling us. it's the "don't believe your lying eyes" approach that pissed people off.
 
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#169
LouderVol said:
We may not be as publically divided on Covid as we are now. I dont think you would see as many corona bros judging every criticism as pure blown "hoax" level arguments.

I think the same thing with Fauci and the various health departments. If they had hedged their statements, saying "we dont have the full data to back this up, but we believe masks and shutting down schools to be the best option right now.". You wouldnt see as much anger, even if masks and shut downs had stayed just as long.

They went absolute on relying on their authority. I have no idea why. The data was put there. At some point they had to figure things would change and stuff would keep coming out. No idea why they just circled the wagons so hard.
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I can see it being a unifying point.
 
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McDad said:
Same response to pandemic or different?
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could be different to the extent we relied on Chinese information about the virus to make policy decisions (or relied on the WHO)

might possibly change development of treatment if there was more knowledge about whether this was a naturally occurring virus that leaked or one that was modified (we don't know but I doubt the "modified" hypothesis was investigated since it was considered "debunked").

maybe it wouldn't have changed anything but it seems the origin is pretty important information in planning/implementing a response.
 
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volinbham said:
could be different to the extent we relied on Chinese information about the virus to make policy decisions (or relied on the WHO)

might possibly change development of treatment if there was more knowledge about whether this was a naturally occurring virus that leaked or one that was modified (we don't know but I doubt the "modified" hypothesis was investigated since it was considered "debunked").

maybe it wouldn't have changed anything but it seems the origin is pretty important information in planning/implementing a response.
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Not so sure I agree but I understand your thoughts on it.
 
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McDad said:
Do you think it would have changed how the federal government, states, or individuals would have approached responding to the pandemic?
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Well sounds like no one would've been wearing these cloth masks without looking like an idiot because Fauci said in email they don't work.

The virus was still potent, but I think you would've had more pushback from the usual sources on both sides.

I will say, I wonder how many died after contracting covid after wearing a cloth mask? Has anyone asked this question?
 
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