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BigPapaVol said:
It isn't the sole reason, but Cousins and Wall can play. Wall is likely the top pick next season. That's not based upon his recruit status.
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O no I don't doubt that any of UK's recruits can play, but I'd like to see them play together as a team before I write them off as champions

They may very well be in the top 5 during the season. We'll see
 
#77
#77
hatvol96 said:
The first sentence of your post is very helpful. It allows me to ignore anything else you ever post without fear of missing something insightful.
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I'm sorry, I know you act as if you are the Yoda of Bsketball here, generously condescending to the rest of us with your amazing acumen, but tell me how my first statement was incorrect? Did Bradshaw not maximize his potential under Pearl when healthy? Is that not the idea of developing players? It isn't as if Bradshaw was anything approaching All-American in terms of talent.

So, tell me, how is my statement of Bradshaw maximizing his potential under Pearl incorrect?
 
#78
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Unimane said:
I'm sorry, I know you act as if you are the Yoda of Bsketball here, generously condescending to the rest of us with your amazing acumen, but tell me how my first statement was incorrect? Did Bradshaw not maximize his potential under Pearl when healthy? Is that not the idea of developing players? It isn't as if Bradshaw was anything approaching All-American in terms of talent.

So, tell me, how is my statement of Bradshaw maximizing his potential under Pearl incorrect?
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You said he thrived. That implies he actually did something of note. He didn't. Tennessee went from a scrappy little team to one that made it to the number one spot in the AP poll and won the SEC when Bradshaw's dead weight was replaced with Tyler Smith. There's a reason for that. Bradshaw couldn't play a lick. Special Olympians try hard. That doesn't mean they are getting great coaching.
 
#79
#79
hatvol96 said:
You said he thrived. That implies he actually did something of note. He didn't. Tennessee went from a scrappy little team to one that made it to the number one spot in the AP poll and won the SEC when Bradshaw's dead weight was replaced with Tyler Smith. There's a reason for that. Bradshaw couldn't play a lick. Special Olympians try hard. That doesn't mean they are getting great coaching.
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That's ridiculous to say he was dead weight and, yes, he was a solid player on a team that went to the Sweet 16. How many game winners did he hit? His intagibles were very valuable on the teams he plaed for. Yes, quite obviously, Tyler is more talented, but Pearl hasn't really had a player with greater awareness and understanding as Bradshaw. "Basketball IQ" is a generic term that I usually hate, but it applies to Dane very well. Have we better options at the 4 now? Of course. However, "dead weight" is an absurd observation of anyone who saw those teams play.

This is my problem with reading your posts. I'm sure you've played ball, but your critiques make it seem as if you didn't. You don't really appear to understand the nuances of the game and a player is only worthwhile if he can hit for 15 and 10. You, obviously, have a lot of contact and access with the high level basketball world, which I can appreciate in your posts, but it's also very apparent why you are an observer and not a coach at these events.
 
#80
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Unimane said:
That's ridiculous to say he was dead weight and, yes, he was a solid player on a team that went to the Sweet 16. How many game winners did he hit? His intagibles were very valuable on the teams he plaed for. Yes, quite obviously, Tyler is more talented, but Pearl hasn't really had a player with greater awareness and understanding as Bradshaw. "Basketball IQ" is a generic term that I usually hate, but it applies to Dane very well. Have we better options at the 4 now? Of course. However, "dead weight" is an absurd observation of anyone who saw those teams play.

This is my problem with reading your posts. I'm sure you've played ball, but your critiques make it seem as if you didn't. You don't really appear to understand the nuances of the game and a player is only worthwhile if he can hit for 15 and 10. You, obviously, have a lot of contact and access with the high level basketball world, which I can appreciate in your posts, but it's also very apparent why you are an observer and not a coach at these events.
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Opposing coaches openly laughed at Bradshaw. Anyone who touts him as anything other than essentially a mascot is either a white supremacist or clueless. When people talk about a player's "intangibles" that's code for "he's garbage that tries hard and we can't wait to get someone better."
 
#81
#81
Unimane said:
That's ridiculous to say he was dead weight and, yes, he was a solid player on a team that went to the Sweet 16. How many game winners did he hit? His intagibles were very valuable on the teams he plaed for. Yes, quite obviously, Tyler is more talented, but Pearl hasn't really had a player with greater awareness and understanding as Bradshaw. "Basketball IQ" is a generic term that I usually hate, but it applies to Dane very well. Have we better options at the 4 now? Of course. However, "dead weight" is an absurd observation of anyone who saw those teams play.

This is my problem with reading your posts. I'm sure you've played ball, but your critiques make it seem as if you didn't. You don't really appear to understand the nuances of the game and a player is only worthwhile if he can hit for 15 and 10. You, obviously, have a lot of contact and access with the high level basketball world, which I can appreciate in your posts, but it's also very apparent why you are an observer and not a coach at these events.
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If Bradshaw was so valuable, how come Pearl hasn't recruited more 6'4" power forwards who can't run, jump, or shoot?
 
#82
#82
Unimane said:
That's ridiculous to say he was dead weight and, yes, he was a solid player on a team that went to the Sweet 16. How many game winners did he hit? His intagibles were very valuable on the teams he plaed for. Yes, quite obviously, Tyler is more talented, but Pearl hasn't really had a player with greater awareness and understanding as Bradshaw. "Basketball IQ" is a generic term that I usually hate, but it applies to Dane very well. Have we better options at the 4 now? Of course. However, "dead weight" is an absurd observation of anyone who saw those teams play.

This is my problem with reading your posts. I'm sure you've played ball, but your critiques make it seem as if you didn't. You don't really appear to understand the nuances of the game and a player is only worthwhile if he can hit for 15 and 10. You, obviously, have a lot of contact and access with the high level basketball world, which I can appreciate in your posts, but it's also very apparent why you are an observer and not a coach at these events.
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When away from the nosy media, opposing coaches held Bradshaw in lower esteem than I do.
 
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#83
#83
What, you had to post three times just to get your point across?

Who cares if the other coaches were laughing? Most of them were also losing to the Vols and Bradshaw. The one guy I remember publicly laughing was Brady (who did have some success against the Vols), who was a grade-A dickhead and got fired.

Still, Bradshaw served his role well and helped win a lot of games at UT. To not recognize this is total garbage. I'm certain Florida and Oklahoma State have a healthy regard for the guy.

But, yes, you are right, we won't recruit guys like Bradshaw anymore for that role, which is fine. He was a liability as a 4 on defense, which we lacked at the time. Of course, he was playing out of position and I would still take him as a PG to direct the offense.

Furthermore, to get a player who "can't run, jump or shoot" a professional contract, even if just in Holland, is a mark in Pearl's favor. I've seen a lot more talented players than Bradshaw not get a sniff of pro ball overseas.
 
#84
#84
Unimane said:
Furthermore, to get a player who "can't run, jump or shoot" a professional contract, even if just in Holland, is a mark in Pearl's favor. I've seen a lot more talented players than Bradshaw not get a sniff of pro ball overseas.
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That'll be a great recruiting pitch. After Huggs, Calhoun, Cal, Gary Williams, et al hit Tobias Harris with the scores of guys they've put in the NBA and elite European Leagues, Tanning Bed and Forbes can fire back with "We put a guy in Holland." Game. Set. Match. Tennessee. How can he resist?
 
#85
#85
Unimane said:
What, you had to post three times just to get your point across?
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You haven't posted enough for me to get a feel for whether or not you're as dense as most Pearl defenders. Thus, I err on the side of hammering the point rather than having something left to interpretation.
 
#86
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hatvol96 said:
That'll be a great recruiting pitch. After Huggs, Calhoun, Cal, Gary Williams, et al hit Tobias Harris with the scores of guys they've put in the NBA and elite European Leagues, Tanning Bed and Forbes can fire back with "We put a guy in Holland." Game. Set. Match. Tennessee. How can he resist?
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That's not the point. He took a mid-major talent, at best, and put him into a professional league. Yes, a weak pro league, but still Euro ball. It's a commentary on his development ability, not a recruiting pitch.

And, you are making me talk about Dane Bradshaw more than I ever have in my life. I feel almost like a stalker now.
 
#87
#87
hatvol96 said:
You haven't posted enough for me to get a feel for whether or not you're as dense as most Pearl defenders. Thus, I err on the side of hammering the point rather than having something left to interpretation.
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Well, it's not difficult to defend to defend him. And things like calling him "Tanning Bed" and knocking his coaching ability, calling him a joke among the coaching profession when he has had the success he has had is fairly petty and ridiculous.

I am probably...no...I guarantee that I am the only person who is a UT and UW-Milwaukee grad who saw him up close at both places. He's not flawless, but he's a very good coach and your negative hyperbole with everything related to UT and Pearl don't match the results I have seen him produce at both places.
 
#88
#88
Unimane said:
Well, it's not difficult to defend to defend him. And things like calling him "Tanning Bed" and knocking his coaching ability, calling him a joke among the coaching profession when he has had the success he has had is fairly petty and ridiculous.

I am probably...no...I guarantee that I am the only person who is a UT and UW-Milwaukee grad who saw him up close at both places. He's not flawless, but he's a very good coach and your negative hyperbole with everything related to UT and Pearl don't match the results I have seen him produce at both places.
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What exactly has he produced at Tennessee? A couple of Sweet 16s? I can walk into any hotel bar at the NABC convention Final Four weekend and find a bunch of guys who have done that.
 
#89
#89
hatvol96 said:
What exactly has he produced at Tennessee? A couple of Sweet 16s? I can walk into any hotel bar at the NABC convention Final Four weekend and find a bunch of guys who have done that.
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And how many Tennessee coaches can claim three Sweet 16s? A number one ranking? 30 wins? More post season wins?

I've personally watched him take two programs to places they have never been before. Again, that's not a "joke" of a coach, regardless of how many at a Final Four conference have been to the Sweet 16.

I mean, seriously, you have to ask what has he produced in only 4 years? To deny his accomplishments is just as bad as those who think he's the greatest coach in the NCAA. Overly negative is the same as overly positive.
 
#90
#90
There is a definite ceiling to his coaching style. Without change, Sweet 16s are pretty much going to be the ceiling. Many more years hanging out in the motherland during the recruiting period will move that ceiling toward the opening weekend.
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#91
#91
BigPapaVol said:
There is a definite ceiling to his coaching style. Without change, Sweet 16s are pretty much going to be the ceiling. Many more years hanging out in the motherland during the recruiting period will move that ceiling toward the opening weekend.
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What did we have before the sweet 16s and Pearl?
 
#93
#93
top5vols said:
What did we have before the sweet 16s and Pearl?
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You're right. We should all fall at the feet of a guy who took a vanity trip during the July evaluation period and left us taking the scraps once the big boys are done filling their rosters. We should embrace a guy who's only still at Tennessee because Indiana nor Arizona were stupid enough to listen to the Pump brothers' begging and hire him.
 
#94
#94
top5vols said:
What did we have before the sweet 16s and Pearl?
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What does it matter? The guy has been relatively successful, with Buzz's recruits. He will continue to rack up respectable seasons. He will not win big without a different approach to the game and to players, IMO.
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#95
#95
hatvol96 said:
You're right. We should all fall at the feet of a guy who took a vanity trip during the July evaluation period and left us taking the scraps once the big boys are done filling their rosters. We should embrace a guy who's only still at Tennessee because Indiana nor Arizona were stupid enough to listen to the Pump brothers' begging and hire him.
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Seriously, did Pearl kick your dog or something? You act like a jilted lover.

You don't have to fall over Pearl to respect what he's done at UT. I don't know what happened in back door channels, it's been a while since I've been connected like that, but what Pearl did this summer isn't all that uncommon. Jamie Dixon and Bo Ryan did the same thing with national teams. A "vanity trip" is, again, excessive and unfair, in my opinion.

Oh, and, I lived in Milwaukee. If you think Indiana got the better coach in Crean, then you are a worse evaluator than I thought. Ironic, considering he was afraid to play UWM while at Marquette and rode Dwayne Wade to his only decent showing.
 
#96
#96
Unimane said:
Jamie Dixon and Bo Ryan did the same thing with national teams. A "vanity trip" is, again, excessive and unfair, in my opinion.
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Jamie Dixon and Bo Ryan were coaching national age group teams under the USA Basketball banner, the kind of things that impress recruits. Pearl was off coaching a bunch of stiffs like his son in a tournament I'm really sure Jayvaughn Pinkston and Tobias Harris were following closely.
 
#97
#97
Unimane said:
Ironic, considering he was afraid to play UWM while at Marquette and rode Dwayne Wade to his only decent showing.
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Plenty of people won't play Pearl. It's not because they're afraid of him, it's because he's a snitch and a jackwad. Further, if making the Final Four is only a "decent showing," Bronzer Bruce is an even bigger piece of trash than even I've claimed.
 
#98
#98
Unimane said:
Seriously, did Pearl kick your dog or something? You act like a jilted lover.
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Is it impossible for anyone on this board to get that analogy right? To be a "jilted lover" would imply that at some point I had some affection for Bruce Pearl. Nothing could be further from the truth. He came up working for a coach I have no use for, Tom Davis. He then became a snitch for the NCAA. There may not be two things I hate more than a snitch and the NCAA. He daily doubles that. I never wanted him here, not happy he's here now, and I'll rejoice like mad when he's gone. Clear enough?
 
#99
#99
hatvol96 said:
Is it impossible for anyone on this board to get that analogy right? To be a "jilted lover" would imply that at some point I had some affection for Bruce Pearl. Nothing could be further from the truth. He came up working for a coach I have no use for, Tom Davis. He then became a snitch for the NCAA. There may not be two things I hate more than a snitch and the NCAA. He daily doubles that. I never wanted him here, not happy he's here now, and I'll rejoice like mad when he's gone. Clear enough?
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Very clear. You're exactly what I thought. It's a personal deal, nothing about basketball.

Oh, and it's well known throughout Milwaukee that Crean was too chickensh-t to play Pearl and risk losing their status in the city. It had nothing to do with personal animosity.
 
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#100
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Unimane said:
Very clear. You're exactly what I thought. It's a personal deal, nothing about basketball.
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Absolutely incorrect. He plays a trash style that appeals to the nimrod casual fan who thinks it's cute when somebody throws the ball away in a three point game with a minute to go trying to excute a 40 foot alley oop. There are plenty of coaches I've run across that I personally detest, but respect the product they put on the floor. I simply loathe both Pearl and his style.
 
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