Final 3?

#101
#101
Unimane said:
Very clear. You're exactly what I thought. It's a personal deal, nothing about basketball.

Oh, and it's well known throughout Milwaukee that Crean was too chickensh-t to play Pearl and risk losing their status in the city. It had nothing to do with personal animosity.
Click to expand...
I bet Tom's terribly concerned with what the good folks of Milwaukee think they knew now that he left that dump in the rearview to coach at one of college basketball's meccas.
 
#102
#102
hatvol96 said:
I bet Tom's terribly concerned with what the good folks of Milwaukee think they knew now that he left that dump in the rearview to coach at one of college basketball's meccas.
Click to expand...

And that addresses my point how...?

Crean, unlike Bo Ryan, was afraid to play UWM, fact. He can coach the Lakers, Celtics, Tar Heels, CSKA Moscow, I don't care. He was scared. He's also an average coach. I'm sure the Hoosiers will love his many NIT appearances and 1st Round exits.

And, Milwaukee is very nice....if it wasn't so damn cold (A lot better than Indiana).
 
#104
#104
hatvol96 said:
Absolutely incorrect. He plays a trash style that appeals to the nimrod casual fan who thinks it's cute when somebody throws the ball away in a three point game with a minute to go trying to excute a 40 foot alley oop. There are plenty of coaches I've run across that I personally detest, but respect the product they put on the floor. I simply loathe both Pearl and his style.
Click to expand...

Well, it's not 1963 anymore and the casual fan responds to wins, not style. I see boring styles that bring in the fans because they win, like a Pittsburgh. Plus, if you think that the Flex and Pearl's style is "throwing 40 foot alley oops with a minute left", then, again, I don't think you know a lot about basketball. Or, you are, at least too stifled in your concepts of how basketball should be played like the Kentucky snobs.

Of course, maybe I'm being hypocritical because I think the Dribble Drive is crap and I don't like the Dean Smith Carolina systems, but anyway.
 
#107
#107
Unimane said:
Well, it's not 1963 anymore and the casual fan responds to wins, not style. I see boring styles that bring in the fans because they win, like a Pittsburgh. Plus, if you think that the Flex and Pearl's style is "throwing 40 foot alley oops with a minute left", then, again, I don't think you know a lot about basketball. Or, you are, at least too stifled in your concepts of how basketball should be played like the Kentucky snobs.

Of course, maybe I'm being hypocritical because I think the Dribble Drive is crap and I don't like the Dean Smith Carolina systems, but anyway.
Click to expand...
If you don't realize the Flex is nothing more than a shell drill run by coaches too incompetent to implement a true motion offense, I'm quite confident I know more than you. Pearl can blather about his "system" all he wants. He's defined as a coach by plays like J. Smith nearly blowing a crucial game against South Carolina by attempting to throw a pass to himself off the backboard with 5 seconds to go in a three point game and suffering no consequences. He's like the middle aged guy who wants to be "The Cool Dad." He thinks he's hip, when in reality he's a joke. He's a disgrace to his profession. The sooner he flames out, which he will within 2 years, the better.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
Last edited:
#109
#109
hatvol96 said:
If you don't realize the Flex is nothing more than a shell drill run by coaches too incompetent to implement a true motion offense, I'm quite confident I know more than you. Pearl can blather about his "system" all he wants. He's defined as a coach by plays like J. Smith nearly blowing a crucial game against South Carolina by attempting to throw a pass to himself off the backboard with 5 seconds to go in a three point game and suffering no consequences. He's like the middle aged guy who wants to be "The Cool Dad." He thinks he's hip, when in reality he's a joke. He's a disgrace to his profession. The sooner he flames out, which he will within 2 years, the better.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...

It's still a basic matter of spacing and movement like any good offense. It has also led to leading the conference in scoring. Complicated offenses may look impressive, but it's still about results. And I remember that JuJuan Smith play, but it was against Alabama. I also remember Smith had about 20 or so that game and made key plays down the stretch to win the game. I'm sure you were sad, though, to see Buzz go with his "perfect possession" nonsense while we put in this "disgrace" that led us to our best seasons ever. God, we look stupid now.

But, this is beyond pitiful. Flames out in two years, huh? Right. 17 years coaching and only one under twenty wins and he will suddenly start losing? I'm sure you were saying this to your buddies here four years ago when he got hired, "Just wait a couple of years, this guy is a joke...you'll see." I think the joke here won't turn out to be Pearl in two years.

It's obviously something personal here, but I have no idea what. Nobody craps on their (successful) coach like you do just because they don't like his style. Unless, of course, you are a Kentucky fan or something, which, you might as well be. I don't know why you bother. It must be hard to watch Tennessee win 20+ games every year and still find ways to justify your BS observations.
 
#110
#110
Unimane said:
It's still a basic matter of spacing and movement like any good offense. It has also led to leading the conference in scoring. Complicated offenses may look impressive, but it's still about results. And I remember that JuJuan Smith play, but it was against Alabama. I also remember Smith had about 20 or so that game and made key plays down the stretch to win the game. I'm sure you were sad, though, to see Buzz go with his "perfect possession" nonsense while we put in this "disgrace" that led us to our best seasons ever. God, we look stupid now.

But, this is beyond pitiful. Flames out in two years, huh? Right. 17 years coaching and only one under twenty wins and he will suddenly start losing? I'm sure you were saying this to your buddies here four years ago when he got hired, "Just wait a couple of years, this guy is a joke...you'll see." I think the joke here won't turn out to be Pearl in two years.

It's obviously something personal here, but I have no idea what. Nobody craps on their (successful) coach like you do just because they don't like his style. Unless, of course, you are a Kentucky fan or something, which, you might as well be. I don't know why you bother. It must be hard to watch Tennessee win 20+ games every year and still find ways to justify your BS observations.
Click to expand...

Have you watched our offensive execution or defensive intensity? I don't what in the world you're watching to come to your conclusions. We look absolutely lost on one end and lazy as hell on the other.

It's not personal for me, I'll assure you. If we aren't gimmick pressing or covering inbounds plays, we look absolutely uncoached.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#111
#111
BigPapaVol said:
Have you watched our offensive execution or defensive intensity? I don't what in the world you're watching to come to your conclusions. We look absolutely lost on one end and lazy as hell on the other.

It's not personal for me, I'll assure you. If we aren't gimmick pressing or covering inbounds plays, we look absolutely uncoached.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...

Oh, a disciple.

I suppose you missed the first 3 years when they played with that intensity and focus? I do agree that last year they slipped in the intensity and execution department.

A pressing team that tries to force tempo and turnovers will look disheveled at times, but I get the concept Pearl is pushing and it is effective, obviously. Traditionalists are not always pleased, but there's more than one way to skin a cat. Nolan Richardson's and Mike Anderson's teams look similarly out of whack at times, but it's all about creating a certain type of atmosphere. It's not a gimmick. A gimmick is a junk defense like a box in one or the triangle and two Utah pulled out on Arizona in '98.

But, yes, the Vols slipped when they were not able to run their press effectively. We'll see if that gets remedied this year. However, one supposively "down" year (still winning 23 games) is poor criteria for your statements.
 
#112
#112
My main problem with BP is this:

CONTINUALLY ALLOWING CHISM TO JACK UP 3 AFTER 3 AFTER 33333333333...

He cost us several games last year by doing this idiotic crap, yet, he continues to shoot at will.

Chism should have 3 allowed misses a game. Once he misses three 3 point shots, he's cut off.

Get his as* in the paint and do what we need him to do.

I will say this in Chism's defense; his improvement in FT shooting was outstanding.

I fear BP fattened up on a down SEC much like Fulmer did.

Now, with Calipari at UK, they are going to be an unstoppable force, like Kryptonite to Superman, or SOS to Fulmer.
 
#113
#113
Voldaddy said:
My main problem with BP is this:

CONTINUALLY ALLOWING CHISM TO JACK UP 3 AFTER 3 AFTER 33333333333...

He cost us several games last year by doing this idiotic crap, yet, he continues to shoot at will.

Chism should have 3 allowed misses a game. Once he misses three 3 point shots, he's cut off.

Get his as* in the paint and do what we need him to do.

I will say this in Chism's defense; his improvement in FT shooting was outstanding.

I fear BP fattened up on a down SEC much like Fulmer did.

Now, with Calipari at UK, they are going to be an unstoppable force, like Kryptonite to Superman, or SOS to Fulmer.
Click to expand...

How many times were we coming back or about to blow a team out and Chism takes the first pass as the trailer and still running lauches a 3 - unbelievable. I think Pearl lets him for 2 reasons:

1) Chism has the most upside in the pros if he were to master the 3 - obviously not happening. Pearl needs to get players in the NBA or recruiting will suffer

2) His offense is pathetic. I cannot watch another offensive possession where our PG and SG stand at half court passing back and forth until the shot clock is down to 9 seconds. Since he wants pressure D, do you think he runs that offense to let his players rest? It baffles me
 
#114
#114
The last two years, it's been a down SEC, but the league was very strong in '06 and '07.

Regarding Calipari, Bruce has already proven he can beat him. Calipari will bring in the talent (until the NCAA catches up), but Cal has yet to prove he can win in a decent conference. This isn't the A-10 or CUSA.
 
#115
#115
Unimane said:
Oh, a disciple.

I suppose you missed the first 3 years when they played with that intensity and focus? I do agree that last year they slipped in the intensity and execution department.

A pressing team that tries to force tempo and turnovers will look disheveled at times, but I get the concept Pearl is pushing and it is effective, obviously. Traditionalists are not always pleased, but there's more than one way to skin a cat. Nolan Richardson's and Mike Anderson's teams look similarly out of whack at times, but it's all about creating a certain type of atmosphere. It's not a gimmick. A gimmick is a junk defense like a box in one or the triangle and two Utah pulled out on Arizona in '98.

But, yes, the Vols slipped when they were not able to run their press effectively. We'll see if that gets remedied this year. However, one supposively "down" year (still winning 23 games) is poor criteria for your statements.
Click to expand...

Disciple?

Bruce benefitted from a shoddy conference and boosted his record. He has beaten a couple of big teams when the played poorly or CLo / JSmith shot lights out. Otherwise, teams have figured out that simply slowing the game down forces his teams to play in the halfcourt, where they are woefully unprepared.

Your basketball history is awful. The pressing guys have all shifted away from it to win big because guards get better as you move along. Those teams can force half court play or shoot about 274% against us.

Something has to change.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#116
#116
hatvol96 said:
Is it impossible for anyone on this board to get that analogy right? To be a "jilted lover" would imply that at some point I had some affection for Bruce Pearl. Nothing could be further from the truth. He came up working for a coach I have no use for, Tom Davis. He then became a snitch for the NCAA. There may not be two things I hate more than a snitch and the NCAA. He daily doubles that. I never wanted him here, not happy he's here now, and I'll rejoice like mad when he's gone. Clear enough?
Click to expand...

Are you an Illinois grad?

Makes the hatred of Pearl make a lot more sense.
 
#117
#117
Unimane said:
It's still a basic matter of spacing and movement like any good offense. It has also led to leading the conference in scoring. Complicated offenses may look impressive, but it's still about results. And I remember that JuJuan Smith play, but it was against Alabama. I also remember Smith had about 20 or so that game and made key plays down the stretch to win the game. I'm sure you were sad, though, to see Buzz go with his "perfect possession" nonsense while we put in this "disgrace" that led us to our best seasons ever. God, we look stupid now.

But, this is beyond pitiful. Flames out in two years, huh? Right. 17 years coaching and only one under twenty wins and he will suddenly start losing? I'm sure you were saying this to your buddies here four years ago when he got hired, "Just wait a couple of years, this guy is a joke...you'll see." I think the joke here won't turn out to be Pearl in two years.

It's obviously something personal here, but I have no idea what. Nobody craps on their (successful) coach like you do just because they don't like his style. Unless, of course, you are a Kentucky fan or something, which, you might as well be. I don't know why you bother. It must be hard to watch Tennessee win 20+ games every year and still find ways to justify your BS observations.
Click to expand...
It was the South Carolina game where Lofton rolled his ankle. If you don't know the facts, don't attempt to debate them.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#119
#119
Unimane said:
It's still a basic matter of spacing and movement like any good offense. It has also led to leading the conference in scoring. Complicated offenses may look impressive, but it's still about results. And I remember that JuJuan Smith play, but it was against Alabama. I also remember Smith had about 20 or so that game and made key plays down the stretch to win the game. I'm sure you were sad, though, to see Buzz go with his "perfect possession" nonsense while we put in this "disgrace" that led us to our best seasons ever. God, we look stupid now.

But, this is beyond pitiful. Flames out in two years, huh? Right. 17 years coaching and only one under twenty wins and he will suddenly start losing? I'm sure you were saying this to your buddies here four years ago when he got hired, "Just wait a couple of years, this guy is a joke...you'll see." I think the joke here won't turn out to be Pearl in two years.

It's obviously something personal here, but I have no idea what. Nobody craps on their (successful) coach like you do just because they don't like his style. Unless, of course, you are a Kentucky fan or something, which, you might as well be. I don't know why you bother. It must be hard to watch Tennessee win 20+ games every year and still find ways to justify your BS observations.
Click to expand...
How long and drawn out was Kevin Mackey's fall from grace? Pearl is just a lower rent version of him.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
Last edited:
#120
#120
Unimane said:
It's still a basic matter of spacing and movement like any good offense. It has also led to leading the conference in scoring. Complicated offenses may look impressive, but it's still about results. And I remember that JuJuan Smith play, but it was against Alabama. I also remember Smith had about 20 or so that game and made key plays down the stretch to win the game. I'm sure you were sad, though, to see Buzz go with his "perfect possession" nonsense while we put in this "disgrace" that led us to our best seasons ever. God, we look stupid now.

But, this is beyond pitiful. Flames out in two years, huh? Right. 17 years coaching and only one under twenty wins and he will suddenly start losing? I'm sure you were saying this to your buddies here four years ago when he got hired, "Just wait a couple of years, this guy is a joke...you'll see." I think the joke here won't turn out to be Pearl in two years.

It's obviously something personal here, but I have no idea what. Nobody craps on their (successful) coach like you do just because they don't like his style. Unless, of course, you are a Kentucky fan or something, which, you might as well be. I don't know why you bother. It must be hard to watch Tennessee win 20+ games every year and still find ways to justify your BS observations.
Click to expand...
Yeah, Peterson and I were real tight. You are consistent. Each statement you make is more off base than the previous one.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#121
#121
from what i have read over last year and in the last few months ,we offerd tobias exactly what he wants is the position that tyler has at the moment so maby that will help land him early in recruiting with shelby on board i actually thought we would get our on fab five we had 8 of top 18 players that really loved the way our program played then shelby decommits and the bottem fell out but it still can be saved golden ,mcrae,crawford,and t harris,and either pinkston or cothron.like the post above that is still 5 players in top 75 to 100 including harris at 5 overall,and if pinkston or cothron dont want to play in our great system and come in during a time were we will be losing our best bigs,try and get one and it wouldnt be the worst thing to only get 4 in the class.
 
#122
#122
hatvol96 said:
How long and drawn out was Kevin Mackey's fall from grace? Pearl is just a lower rent version of him.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...

Kevin Mackey? Good Lord. Cleveland State? That's your best retort? And your sound basis based upon factual information for this assertion is..........?

Seriously, you look pathetic. You obviously have some deep seeded pathological hatred of Pearl based upon something beyond rational thinking or strict basketball analysis. In fact, it's quite odd.

You have nothing to back up your assertions and, in fact, the record shows your opinions of Pearl are way off base. I mean, saying he will flame out in two years is based upon.......recruiting? Oops, nope, two four stars already this class. Records? Oops, nope, 20+ win seasons for every year except one in his career. Your ace in the hole, a horrible playing style? Oops, nope, he's used that his entire career without the "Kevin Mackey Effect". What sound logic do you use for the flaminng out in two years? Please tell me you have something better than a former Cleveland State coach.

Perhaps YOU shouldn't post on the topic if you are simply going to make personally driven statements as opposed to actual, legitimate analysis since you see fit to say I shouldn't for a, supposed, lack of knowledge (BTW, it was the Alabama game in which Smith threw the ball off the backboard).

At any rate, you seem to have great insider info and knowledge of the game, but your heavy personal biases color your analysis as virtually worthless, especially in regards to Tennessee.
 
#123
#123
first; jujuan smith as a freashmen look at his numbers im sure back then people wanted to kick him to the curb second ; woolridge he had more points and about everything else as a freshmen than his dad at notre dame and i dont think im wrong but didnt orlando end up having a great career at notre dame then a great career that lasted well over a dozen so lets wait and see what woolridge has this coming year he may be a big suprise ,and everyone still writing down as the 5 recruits they want as golden, mcrae ,crawford,pinkston,and cothron,your forgetting about the best player on the board left that has ut in mind is tobias harris number 5 player overall ,all he said is that he loved the way ut played and he wants to play somewhere he can play the hybrid pointfoward position like tyler smith does ,and my self he can call himself pointfoward or whatever if he comes to ut and can put up tyler like numbers,and from what ive read cothron has more interest in ut than pinkstonthey could go with 2 guards golden and mcrae and 3 big guys harris ,cothron,pinkston
 
#124
#124
Unimane said:
Kevin Mackey? Good Lord. Cleveland State? That's your best retort? And your sound basis based upon factual information for this assertion is..........?

Seriously, you look pathetic. You obviously have some deep seeded pathological hatred of Pearl based upon something beyond rational thinking or strict basketball analysis. In fact, it's quite odd.

You have nothing to back up your assertions and, in fact, the record shows your opinions of Pearl are way off base. I mean, saying he will flame out in two years is based upon.......recruiting? Oops, nope, two four stars already this class. Records? Oops, nope, 20+ win seasons for every year except one in his career. Your ace in the hole, a horrible playing style? Oops, nope, he's used that his entire career without the "Kevin Mackey Effect". What sound logic do you use for the flaminng out in two years? Please tell me you have something better than a former Cleveland State coach.

Perhaps YOU shouldn't post on the topic if you are simply going to make personally driven statements as opposed to actual, legitimate analysis since you see fit to say I shouldn't for a, supposed, lack of knowledge (BTW, it was the Alabama game in which Smith threw the ball off the backboard).

At any rate, you seem to have great insider info and knowledge of the game, but your heavy personal biases color your analysis as virtually worthless, especially in regards to Tennessee.
Click to expand...
Ask the staffs at Rooster's, Ray's, The OCI, and The Downtown Grill And Brewery how different Pearl is from Mackey. While you're at it, see who Mackey's mentor was.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#125
#125
hatvol96 said:
Ask the staffs at Rooster's, Ray's, The OCI, and The Downtown Grill And Brewery how different Pearl is from Mackey. While you're at it, see who Mackey's mentor was.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...

So you are saying Pearl is a dope head? I live in middle Tennessee so I don't have access to those places you listed so, why don't you tell us what the staff at those places say about Pearl.

I assume Mackey's mentor was Davis, I couldn't find that anywhere but there were references to Mackey being at Boston College before he went to Cleveland State (1983) and Davis was at BC until 1982. Am I right in what I assume you mean? If not fell free to correct me.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top