First Temple seal found in Jerusalem

It has been used before.

Do you feel like i am preaching to you? If so, i appologize. I was just carrying on a conversation.

no worse than my mother :p

I have no problem discussing it as long as you realize I am as set in my beliefs as you are in yours. The fact that you can actually look at this world and believe it's being directed by God amazes me. Just trying to find out why
 
Unfortunately as a Mod, I have to read many threads. I don't really have the luxury of skipping the teachings of T-Town threads.

Oh, and I don't really "read" them per se, I've become quite good at skimming for the bad words and flames without taking it all in (which is handy in threads like this).

This is not my thread. Maybe if you took the time to actually read this entire thread, you would not have made that comment. I even asked for this thread to be taken somewhere else, but OE said no.
 
pj, if you have such a problem with religion especially Christianity why do you always seem to show up in these type of threads?
 
no worse than my mother :p

I have no problem discussing it as long as you realize I am as set in my beliefs as you are in yours. The fact that you can actually look at this world and believe it's being directed by God amazes me. Just trying to find out why

Free will is a tricky thing.
 
no worse than my mother :p

I have no problem discussing it as long as you realize I am as set in my beliefs as you are in yours. The fact that you can actually look at this world and believe it's being directed by God amazes me. Just trying to find out why

And I can't understand how you can actually look at this world and believe it's not being directed by God. Weird.
 
no worse than my mother :p

I have no problem discussing it as long as you realize I am as set in my beliefs as you are in yours. The fact that you can actually look at this world and believe it's being directed by God amazes me. Just trying to find out why

Well,why didn't you say so 6 pages ago.
I will have to wait for OWB to give me permission to respond.
 
Well,why didn't you say so 6 pages ago.
I will have to wait for OWB to give me permission to respond.

Don't cry. I didn't say you had to stop. I just think it's a little fanatical. If you don't mind being seen that way through my eyes, then there's not a problem.
 
pj, if you have such a problem with religion especially Christianity why do you always seem to show up in these type of threads?

my post count would indicate I participate in many threads besides these.

The issue I have is people have no problem challenging the belief system of other religions (like Scientology, Islam, etc) but want Christianity to go unchallenged.
 
my post count would indicate I participate in many threads besides these.

The issue I have is people have no problem challenging the belief system of other religions (like Scientology, Islam, etc) but want Christianity to go unchallenged.

Islam I can see, but Scientology...
 
And I can't understand how you can actually look at this world and believe it's not being directed by God. Weird.

if it is then he/she has a sick sense of humor. Watch the news, read a newspaper and see if you can still say "God is good, amen." afterwards.
 
Don't cry. I didn't say you had to stop. I just think it's a little fanatical. If you don't mind being seen that way through my eyes, then there's not a problem.[/QUOT


Ouch, that hurts... One of us anyway.
 
if it is then he/she has a sick sense of humor. Watch the news, read a newspaper and see if you can still say "God is good, amen." afterwards.

I watch and read them everyday and yes I can still say that. Not that hard really.
 
If you are going hardline religious, it is human depravity.

But my question is, since he did it in the Old Testament, why won't God help? It seems a bit out there to believe he's done it for thousands of years but them suddenly went hands-off 2000 years ago.
 
Other world beings (god-like figures) have put a "holy" spirit into the bodies of humans. Doesn't seem to far out there does it?

L. Ron Hubbard or Jesus? Tough call.

It wasn't even a religion but a study of knowledge until Hubbard changed his mind in 1953.
 
Ah, this thread needs a little George Carlin. I've edited out all the bad words..

When it comes to bull__, big-time, major league bull__, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bull__ story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bull__ story.

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look around, the more you realize, something is messed up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of stuff you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.

No woman could or would ever mess things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a ___, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.

So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a crap, I decided to look around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on.

And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons. First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something, I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply because they don't agree with us.

Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry, no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.
 
But my question is, since he did it in the Old Testament, why won't God help? It seems a bit out there to believe he's done it for thousands of years but them suddenly went hands-off 2000 years ago.


The hardline response would be the new law that Jesus gave.
 

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