First the devil's lettuce and now this...

[ThatVolGuy]

Bad assumption on your part, but your response does highlight the differences in our POV's and the chasm that is present in our country today.

There are a lot of people arguing in bad faith. It's what I see more often than not, so someone approaching me with an open mind seems like a rarity. I'm glad that's not you.

 

[jaguinn5]

So says the racist. Race had nothing to do with the discussion but you, the racist, bring it into the conversation. Leftists cry racism (scream wolf) at everything they disagree with. Your bigotry and xenophobia are glaring.

Lol. Want to know a surefire way to spot a probable racist? Talk about race and racism and see who freaks out.

 

[sjt18]

I'm not surprised you feel that way.

That's not a "feeling". That's not even just an opinion. What he stated is simply objective fact.

People who are confused about their gender do not need "affirmation" much less mutilation any more than we "affirm" alcoholics and give them an IV with 200 proof in it. There is literally nothing more destructive or hateful you can do than affirm someone in unhealthy, self-destructive behavior.

 

[sjt18]

Lol. Want to know a surefire way to spot a probable racist? Talk about race and racism and see who freaks out.

You are kidding, right? Racism would die the death it deserves in our country if it were not to the political benefit of the left to keep it going.

There is truly only one "race". We're all human. We're not different "races". The "surefire" way to spot a racist is those who insist on dividing us by skin tone.

 

[n_huffhines]

Oh i will. And it was never going to be Bud Light even without the whole Dylan debacle. I just can’t for the life of me understand the abject imbecility of making a move that any intelligent observer could have seen had the danger of absolutely tanking an iconic brand.
The shareholder suits over failure to perform adequate fiduciary responsibility will be epic.

This literally has nothing to do with your point in the previous post. The hand-wringing over this is ridiculous, and you're not doing it simply because it was a bad marketing decision. Drinking a beer from a brand that made an unprofitable marketing decision is a bad look? GTFO. You are saying it's a bad look because you hate trans people enough that it warps your mind.

 

[BigBadVol]

Lol. Want to know a surefire way to spot a probable racist? Talk about race and racism and see who freaks out.

Who’s freaking out? Typical leftist race hustler response. Always the same, use supposition as your argument. That low intellect only works with other leftists.

 

[n_huffhines]

Who’s freaking out? Typical leftist race hustler response. Always the same, use supposition as your argument. That low intellect only works with other leftists.

Wait, you are the guy who called him a racist and he's the race hustler? All he did was mention the existence of racism in an abstract way and you called him a racist. Get a grip on reality.

 

[ThatVolGuy]

That's not a "feeling". That's not even just an opinion. What he stated is simply objective fact.

People who are confused about their gender do not need "affirmation" much less mutilation any more than we "affirm" alcoholics and give them an IV with 200 proof in it. There is literally nothing more destructive or hateful you can do than affirm someone in unhealthy, self-destructive behavior.

People with actual medical credentials would disagree. I dare you to spend ten minutes reading the in-depth description of gender dysphoria from the American Psychiatric Association.

So as much as you think of your own opinion, you're not qualified to disagree with people who know better. I'm sorry.

 

[sjt18]

People with actual medical credentials would disagree. I dare you to spend ten minutes reading the in-depth description of gender dysphoria from the American Psychiatric Association.

So as much as you think of your own opinion, you're not qualified to disagree with people who know better. I'm sorry.

And that was a COMPLETELY political change. Nothing about the science changed from just a few years ago. Sorry. But politically motivated "scientists" are not worthy of the blind faith you seem to have.

And... the proof is still in the pudding. After "transition" the same problems persist and often they're worsened when people realize the mistake they've made. Suicide rates do not fall nor does incidence of depression or substance abuse.

This is NOT true of those who have been successfully counseled.

 

[allvol123]

People with actual medical credentials would disagree. I dare you to spend ten minutes reading the in-depth description of gender dysphoria from the American Psychiatric Association.

So as much as you think of your own opinion, you're not qualified to disagree with people who know better. I'm sorry.

Ah…the “experts” say argument. Covid anyone?

Lol.

 

[sjt18]

Wait, you are the guy who called him a racist and he's the race hustler? All he did was mention the existence of racism in an abstract way and you called him a racist. Get a grip on reality.

Racists use racism and race as tools to manipulate and control. That's what the other guy was attempting to do.

Somehow it is now "racist" to advocate for a color blind, fully accepting society that recognizes we cannot undo the past but need to forgive in order to build a future.

 

[ThatVolGuy]

And that was a COMPLETELY political change. Nothing about the science changed from just a few years ago. Sorry. But politically motivated "scientists" are not worthy of the blind faith you seem to have.

And... the proof is still in the pudding. After "transition" the same problems persist and often they're worsened when people realize the mistake they've made. Suicide rates do not fall nor does incidence of depression or substance abuse.

This is NOT true of those who have been successfully counseled.

Oh, please do point me to the evidence for these claims you're making!

Where do you stand on the earth being flat?

 

[sjt18]

Ah…the “experts” say argument. Covid anyone?

Lol.

They APA has become so political that its advice is useless.

Just a few years ago they reversed course on homosexuality. Their statement literally said that while they had no science to demonstrate either an environmental or genetic/biological cause... it was still their position that it is an innate and immutable trait.

 

[allvol123]

Oh, please do point me to the evidence for these claims you're making!

Where do you stand on the earth being flat?

Just to be clear, if a doctor is for doing surgery on a child to “transition” them, you are ok with this? You know, cause they are a doctor.

You’re good with that, right?

 

[flint]

Absolutely ridiculous. I'm convinced some people believe they are going to turn gay or trans by drinking BL.

 

[ThatVolGuy]

Ah…the “experts” say argument. Covid anyone?

Lol.

I thank my lucky stars that this politically motivated aversion to science and truth didn't exist when the polio vaccine came around. It's like a ******* death cult.

 

[ThatVolGuy]

Just to be clear, if a doctor is for doing surgery on a child to “transition” them, you are ok with this? You know, cause they are a doctor.

You’re good with that, right?

Read my previous post about this. I provided a helpful link.

 

[sjt18]

Oh, please do point me to the evidence for these claims you're making!

Do your own research... and maybe your own thinking. There is plenty of statistics if you look hard enough... they're only difficult to find because they do not say what people like you WISH they said. Mutilating a boy doesn't make him a girl. It makes him a mutilated boy. The emotional, spiritual, and mental conflicts are not resolved by treating someone with heavy doses of medication that attack their basic biology.

Where do you stand on the earth being flat?

That.... is ironic coming from someone so antagonistic to objective reality that you think a boy can become a girl just because they "feel" like it.

 

[allvol123]

I thank my lucky stars that this politically motivated aversion to science and truth didn't exist when the polio vaccine came around. It's like a ******* death cult.

Have no clue what your talking about. My views on Covid and how I handled it had nothing to do with politics.

 

[allvol123]

Read my previous post about this. I provided a helpful link.

Answer the question. Yes or no.

 

[ThatVolGuy]

Do your own research... and maybe your own thinking.

Uh huh. I'll be waiting when you're ready. The loudest people often have the least to say.

 

[sjt18]

I thank my lucky stars that this politically motivated aversion to science and truth didn't exist when the polio vaccine came around. It's like a ******* death cult.

So opposing the mutilation of people and affirmation of destructive behavior is equivalent to not giving an objectively proven vaccine?

Here is an article discussing the topic followed by a link to the most comprehensive study of our disagreement. It is from before the issue became so politicized in the US. It is from Sweden and not swayed like the APA.

https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/sex-reassignment-doesnt-work-here-the-evidence

When ‘the tumult and shouting dies,’ it proves not easy nor wise to live in a counterfeit sexual garb. The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers.

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden

 

[sjt18]

Uh huh. I'll be waiting when you're ready. The loudest people often have the least to say.

Quite a confession you've made.

 

[sjt18]

FTR, I do not oppose adults being able to pay for someone to mutilate them or to believe they're the opposite gender, a rock, a squirrel, or a purple alien. They need to bear the full weight of the choice though. No forced "affirmation" or acceptance or use of "pronouns". No favorable treatment or special rights. Leave other people ALONE and DO NOT expect them to pay for your insanity.

Children are another issue. They should not be indoctrinated on the issue in public schools. If parents can teach them religion at home... then those supporting LGBTQ can do the same.

Also children do not have the mental or emotional maturity to make the decision to "transition". We demand someone be an adult to marry, smoke, drink, own a firearm, etc... and for the same reason.

 

[FLVOL_79]

I haven’t had a domestic beer of any kind in over 25 years. Why? They all suck and I prefer a strong craft beer so I have no dog in this fight. However, for those of the “get over it” crowd the bud light fiasco is the single largest decline of any company in history. The bud light division is now bankrupt and InBev (a huge conglomerate) is now subsidizing the division. Stock holders will not tolerate this and it can be seen in the company’s stock which is falling. The problem with the promotion is they are wanting us to embrace mental illness which I will never do. It’s not intolerance, it’s reality.

Same.

Haven't had Bud Light since I was poor 20+ years ago. I'll stick to my local non IPA craft brews (I know not many) and regional distilleries.