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#129
#129
jaguinn5 said:
So "the left" likes to cancel over sexual assault, rape, racism, and discrimination, and that's dumb, but "the right" likes to cancel over acknowledging gay and trans people are a part of our society, and that's OK.

I'll never understand.
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What do you mean by that?

By and large, conservatives are OK with the left boycotting or disassociating from those they disagree with. As far as I am concerned, live and let live. Let the free market place of ideals work the rest out. At worst, we can actually "tolerate" each other by just leaving each other alone.

It is the habit of the left though to use government or entities with effective monopolies to "cancel" those they disagree with.

Your example though is an odd one. You are trying to equate someone not "acknowledging" someone else to violent crime?
 
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ThatVolGuy said:
They certainly felt valid to you with your expansive world view, yes. I hope real life experience is able to dissuade you from your misguided fear at some point.
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So you deny that men are competing in women’s sports, women having to share dressing rooms/restrooms with men, hormone replacement/gender surgeries on children?
 
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#133
#133
jaguinn5 said:
There's a portion of our fans who also would love to pretend black and brown people don't exist and that racism is fake. They are idiots. F*** em. If they can't accept people for people in Neyland then they can kick rocks. They are the fake fans.
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So says the racist. Race had nothing to do with the discussion but you, the racist, bring it into the conversation. Leftists cry racism (scream wolf) at everything they disagree with. Your bigotry and xenophobia are glaring.
 
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#135
BigBadVol said:
Oh look another leftist here to educate the stupid conservative. Typical narcissistic BS thinking you're the smartest person in the room.
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Not smarter, no. But the empathy I’ve gained from being an outsider has been valuable. It’s a trip when people hate you without knowing you.
 
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#136
jarnol32 said:
You do realize that the whole pretentious craft beer thing went out around 2016 don’t you…
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Oh there are still plenty of beer snobs who still prattle on and on about that small batch IPA only made in November in Indiana with imported Serbian Hops and spring water from Norway.
Full disclaimer: as a fan of Deutsches Welßbiwr, I of cou se do my own fair share of prattling, so I of course am a total hypocrite 😂
 
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ThatVolGuy said:
Not smarter, no. But the empathy I’ve gained from being an outsider has been valuable. It’s a trip when people hate you without knowing you.
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Empathy does not always automatically require agreement. I honestly believe that I can have empathy for someone who does things which according to my beliefs are not correct. True there are a lot of people who traffic in pure hate for its own sake. Those people will find something to hate you for regardless. Sexuality is not the reason for that hate, it just happens to be a very visible characteristic to latch onto. I am sorry that you experience that. It is not what God intends and and it definitely is NOT His Will. We all come before God with a whole basket of stuff He calls sin (me maybe more than you probably) and we all are in desperate need of His Grace.
And I do think I see the extra burden that comes with homosexuality because it is would also involve love for someone else (a wholly Godly virtue) with a prohibition against expressing that love physically. It is among the hardest teachings to understand and I am deeply empathetic for someone trying to navigate those waters. People often see Christianity as just a reinforcement of things people already want to believe. For me though, it is full of things i don’t understand and that i would have done differently if I was in charge. It is a beautiful faith and it is a hard faith simultaneously
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Empathy does not always automatically require agreement. I honestly believe that I can have empathy for someone who does things which according to my beliefs are not correct. True there are a lot of people who traffic in pure hate for its own sake. Those people will find something to hate you for regardless. Sexuality is not the reason for that hate, it just happens to be a very visible characteristic to latch onto. I am sorry that you experience that. It is not what God intends and and it definitely is NOT His Will. We all come before God with a whole basket of stuff He calls sin (me maybe more than you probably) and we all are in desperate need of His Grace.
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I know we probably don't agree on some things, but I appreciate the inherent decency of this post. Thanks.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I added more to it apparently while you were replying 😉
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Oh that's fine. I grew up going to church and have had my own long, difficult journey with all of that. I'm in a good place now. I don't attempt to challenge other peoples' religious beliefs as long as they know their beliefs end where my rights begin.
 
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#141
ThatVolGuy said:
Oh that's fine. I grew up going to church and have had my own long, difficult journey with all of that. I'm in a good place now. I don't attempt to challenge other peoples' religious beliefs as long as they know their beliefs end where my rights begin.
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Agreed. And that is why i don’t try to convince government to give my religious beliefs the force of law. I hope you can maybe understand also why it is impossible for me to actively celebrate Pride Month. Live and let live was not a bad solution in my opinion. But then again, I came at it from the easy or „safe“ side
 
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ThatVolGuy said:
Not smarter, no. But the empathy I’ve gained from being an outsider has been valuable. It’s a trip when people hate you without knowing you.
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I never said I hated anyone. I stated Transgenderism is a mental disorder and it is according to psychologist. Now we are suppose to be accepting of it and treat it as though it's normal? No way. I am empathetic to their condition but I'm not going to pretend it's normal so someone doesn't get their feelings hurt.
 
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#143
BigBadVol said:
I never said I hated anyone. I stated Transgenderism is a mental disorder and it is according to psychologist. Now we are suppose to be accepting of it and treat it as though it's normal? No way. I am empathetic to their condition but I'm not going to pretend it's normal so someone doesn't get their feelings hurt.
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I'm not surprised you feel that way.
 
#146
#146
CobbVol said:
Let's try it this way:

Should men be allowed in women's restrooms and showers?
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I'm actually going to give you some good faith answers, but my assumption is that you're not asking in good faith. Such is life.

Bathrooms are places where people feel extremely vulnerable, and I can understand the discomfort that might come along with (for example) trans women using the women's bathroom. Nobody should be made to feel uncomfortable. I think it's fair for trans women and men to have a separate bathroom. The worst idea would be to force trans people to use the bathroom that aligns with their birth gender. Trans women, especially, would be quite vulnerable to violence in that instance.

Unfortunately, too many people push the myth that trans women are just sexual predators in disguise. I wish that wasn't part of the discourse, because dehumanizing people is never a good tactic.

Should minors be allowed to have gender affirming surgery?
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I think some people portray this issue as if a "Gender Reassignment Surgeries R Us" store exists where these procedures happen on a same-day basis. I actually know trans people who've gone through this process, and I know there are many, many steps with informed medical professionals involved all along the journey. It's a serious subject that deserves serious consideration. For at least a few of the folks I know, gender reaffirming care saved their lives.

In general, I defer to the expertise of organizations like the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the Endocrine Society, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association. This article is a pretty good summation.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
You will always be welcome as a fan and person as far as I am concerned. I really don’t care what you do in the bedroom, and unless you ask my opinion as a spiritual question based on a desire to understand my church‘s teaching, I will offer none. Beyond that, as long as you don’t want to discuss the details of your sexual life in front of my kids (just as I hope you wouldn’t want me discussing mine in front of yours) we are good as far as I am concerned . And I would say 95 percent of people, gay and straight would be fine with that. Live and let live. But the crazies who want to bombard me continuously with messages about their sexual leanings are making things difficult for all of us, in my humble opinion. Our culture as it stands in 2023 has made a person‘s sexuality the defining characteristic of their identity when people are so much more than who they sleep with. I don’t want to be primarily defined by my heterosexuality either. When sex of any flavor becomes the central defining question of life (be it homo or hetero or anything else), we have entered a decadent phase and are on a road to destruction. Sex is a part of life, not the center of it. And I don’t get the vibe that you as individual make it your defining characteristic either.
So please feel welcome in my world if you wish to be there.
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Well said, live and let live, and everyone is welcome on this site no matter your orientation.

But you have to draw a line at several extremely controversial things being thrust upon us today:

1) Schools trying to isolate communications with children from their parents
2) Promotion of genital mutilation of underage children.
3) drag queens in kindergarten
4) Extortion of businesses by DEI henchmen
5) Requiring stock portfolios to divest in non-DEI stocks and divest in fossil fuels or anything else that will dilute the potential return on investment.
6) My tax dollars or insurance premiums be spent on gender altering.
7) Trashy exposure at White House and drag queen nuns mocking Religion.
 
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ThatVolGuy said:
I'm actually going to give you some good faith answers, but my assumption is that you're not asking in good faith. Such is life.
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Bad assumption on your part, but your response does highlight the differences in our POV's and the chasm that is present in our country today.
 
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