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Specific examples please.
Gave an example. Drug incarceration.

Whites and black use drugs and sell drugs at the exact same rate. Yet the incarceration rates are flipped.

Mandatory minimum drug laws.

There you go.

I have posted a ton of links to studies to data and studies many times. These are simple facts everyone knows. Stop being obtuse.
 
Good things are happening already. People are being exposed, they are losing jobs and being shamed. That is a start. Showing it is no longer socially acceptable. So speaking out against it is one of the main things.

Several racist laws have been changed or are being challenged. Another big step.

Better oversight into all forms of discrimination and penalties for employers, schools, lenders, or housing that discriminate.

Also educating children so the next generation doesn't pickup on the ignorance of older people.

Exposing different communities to each other and learning about each other is one of the main things that stops racism. Some people are too insulated and are never exposed to certain groups except through media.

It will take many things.

I don't have a problem with anything you just posted except the call for better oversight of discrimination. Fine, no .gov entity should discriminate in any form but I'm absolutely against any form of legal oversight of private entities when it comes to discrimination. Private entities should be free to associate with whomever they chose or choose not to.
 
Specific examples please.
Gave an example. Drug incarceration.

Whites and black use drugs and sell drugs at the exact same rate. Yet the incarceration rates are flipped.

Mandatory minimum drug laws.

There you go.

I have posted a ton of links to studies to data and studies many times. These are simple facts everyone knows. Stop being obtuse.
 
Gave an example. Drug incarceration.

Whites and black use drugs and sell drugs at the exact same rate. Yet the incarceration rates are flipped.

Mandatory minimum drug laws.

There you go.

I have posted a ton of links to studies to data and studies many times. These are simple facts everyone knows. Stop being obtuse.

I'm all for a complete overhaul of the judicial system and for legalization of all drugs. To me the discrimination within the criminal justice system isn't so much based on race as it is wealth.
 
Never said white people are the problem or that all white people are racist.

I have a problem with racist and racist policies and laws. Plenty of those. They are the problem.
If you aren't one stop taking up for them or denying they do racist stuff.

You are conflating white and racist, not me.

Poor you. It must be sooo tough playing the victim. No one will let you say your racist stuff.

Plenty of white people are active in social causes and respected for their roles in advancing the betterment of society for all. The white nationalist and right wing types just don't like them.
No. I have offered alternate views and possible solutions. they have been rejected because of my skin color. you don't know the first thing about me, or anyone here. yet you come out flat assuming we don't have an valid view point because of our perceived skin color thru the internet. because we offer something else besides your pre conceived notions. we apparently don't think racism exists, or whatever other weak argument you want to use.
 
I'm all for a complete overhaul of the judicial system and for legalization of all drugs. To me the discrimination within the criminal justice system isn't so much based on race as it is wealth.
shhhhh. only skin color matters to the non racists. only us racists would ever assume there is an alternate reason besides race.
 
I'm all for a complete overhaul of the judicial system and for legalization of all drugs. To me the discrimination within the criminal justice system isn't so much based on race as it is wealth.
Even poor white defendants get lighter sentences or rehab instead of jail much more than black people. All in all the evidence is overwhelming that it is race based. But yes poor whites far worse than wealthy whites.

Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System | The Sentencing Project
 
No. I have offered alternate views and possible solutions. they have been rejected because of my skin color. you don't know the first thing about me, or anyone here. yet you come out flat assuming we don't have an valid view point because of our perceived skin color thru the internet. because we offer something else besides your pre conceived notions. we apparently don't think racism exists, or whatever other weak argument you want to use.
Ok then what are your great ideas to stop institutionalized racism?

Who rejected your ideas because of your skin color? What are you talking about?
 
Even poor white defendants get lighter sentences or rehab instead of jail much more than black people. All in all the evidence is overwhelming that it is race based. But yes poor whites far worse than wealthy whites.

Report to the United Nations on Racial Disparities in the U.S. Criminal Justice System | The Sentencing Project

Then let me give you a piece of advice, as long as you make everything about race you will be ignored. Make your fight all inclusive if you want to be heard.
 
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Ok then what are your great ideas to stop institutionalized racism?

Who rejected your ideas because of your skin color? What are you talking about?
you want their names? I can give you several.

assuming the veil of anonymity is to remain lets just say my church is working on several projects designed to help race relations. Its mostly light stuff like getting all of us to interact, we have had success within our church with these measures and I was part of the volunteer force and a participant. anyway, my church started working with other local churches here in Atlanta. we are a pretty diverse church, 40% white, 30% latino, 20% black, 10% asian. using round numbers from our church. our church set up meetings with other churches, several of them were minority only churches, and not all christian. two of the minority churches reacted quiet negatively to any white people being involved in this "diversity integration meeting". I was part of the team that was literally turned away at the door because of my skin color and that I "couldn't have any input of value" to the conversations at hand. my church wasn't the only one who had members turned away.

so despite being discourage, offended, and upset we tried again. this time working with the other churches that had pulled out of the group we had set up. this time our church, and others, got blasted as racists for excluding the 2 all minority churches that had turned us away at their door. we got enough bad PR where we dropped it.
 
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you want their names? I can give you several.

assuming the veil of anonymity is to remain lets just say my church is working on several projects designed to help race relations. Its mostly light stuff like getting all of us to interact, we have had success within our church with these measures and I was part of the volunteer force and a participant. anyway, my church started working with other local churches here in Atlanta. we are a pretty diverse church, 40% white, 30% latino, 20% black, 10% asian. using round numbers from our church. our church set up meetings with other churches, several of them were minority only churches, and not all christian. two of the minority churches reacted quiet negatively to any white people being involved in this "diversity integration meeting". I was part of the team that was literally turned away at the door because of my skin color and that I "couldn't have any input of value" to the conversations at hand. my church wasn't the only one who had members turned away.

so despite being discourage, offended, and upset we tried again. this time working with the other churches that had pulled out of the group we had set up. this time our church, and others, got blasted as racists for excluding the 2 all minority churches that had turned us away at their door. we got enough bad PR where we dropped it.
Some times it is time to be a supportive ally and sit back and listen.

I personally dont believe in the meetings that are minority only in situations like that. But being ignored in those situations pales in comparison to racist violence and discrimination that effects people's lives.
 
How would you know what effects who when you have never lived it and know nothing about it?

I see you are one of the crybabies who think white people have it hard and somehow minorities get all the easy paths to success. Don't blame others for your mediocrity.

Minorities have to work tens times as hard and be ten times as smart. Then for the exact same job get paid less with the same or more education and experience.

This ignorant and racist take is to be expected from a poster name confederate south.
Ten times as hard and smart just to be like an average White person? That sucks.
 
you want their names? I can give you several.

assuming the veil of anonymity is to remain lets just say my church is working on several projects designed to help race relations. Its mostly light stuff like getting all of us to interact, we have had success within our church with these measures and I was part of the volunteer force and a participant. anyway, my church started working with other local churches here in Atlanta. we are a pretty diverse church, 40% white, 30% latino, 20% black, 10% asian. using round numbers from our church. our church set up meetings with other churches, several of them were minority only churches, and not all christian. two of the minority churches reacted quiet negatively to any white people being involved in this "diversity integration meeting". I was part of the team that was literally turned away at the door because of my skin color and that I "couldn't have any input of value" to the conversations at hand. my church wasn't the only one who had members turned away.

so despite being discourage, offended, and upset we tried again. this time working with the other churches that had pulled out of the group we had set up. this time our church, and others, got blasted as racists for excluding the 2 all minority churches that had turned us away at their door. we got enough bad PR where we dropped it.
Lesson learned. They don't want anything from you unless its money.
 
Some times it is time to be a supportive ally and sit back and listen.

I personally dont believe in the meetings that are minority only in situations like that. But being ignored in those situations pales in comparison to racist violence and discrimination that effects people's lives.
this wasn't a peen measuring contest. never going to claim I suffer because of someone's discrimination against me. they are making themselves small, not me.

point is you can't assume that everyone who doesn't immediately fall in line with your rhetoric is against you as you so often do. just means we are different people, and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
How would you know what effects who when you have never lived it and know nothing about it?

I see you are one of the crybabies who think white people have it hard and somehow minorities get all the easy paths to success. Don't blame others for your mediocrity.

Minorities have to work tens times as hard and be ten times as smart. Then for the exact same job get paid less with the same or more education and experience.

This ignorant and racist take is to be expected from a poster name confederate south.

I’m not black but I don’t deny racism. I deny it having that much of an adverse affect on anyone’s life today. I grew up in East Tennessee with a black cousin. I witnessed him being being called names. Even in the 80s it wasn’t as bad as you’re making out. Today I have 2 black adopted kids. When we go out sometimes we get an odd stare but mostly it’s people smiling. While the odd staring racist is bad it has no bearing on my life and to be honest IDGAF about them. Haven’t been denied entrance go anywhere or anything else. Stop playing the race card and pretending when something doesn’t go your way it’s because of the color of your skin.
 

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