'24 FL CB Cai Bates (FSU Commit)

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jbr82 said:
Bad coaches and lack of talent or leadership is what keeps program from being where we want it
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Let's attempt some adult, nuanced thinking here:

A) The kid has ACTUALLY CONFIRMED to Matt Ray that comments on social media and message boards are affecting his thinking about Tennessee.
B) Those of us with any sense understand that calling for a coach's job on social media has no effect on whether or not Heupel actually fires said coach. That will be done or not done based on his own conclusions about what will help the program most going forward. So even if you believe with all your heart that firing Martinez and/or Banks is good for the program, expressing that on social media has no effect.
C) IF a coach is fired, it will likely happen after ESD because we don't want to lose recruits. That's just the way it's done. So you may get your way...but why run off a recruit beforehand? Doesn't it make more sense to just keep those opinions off social media so as not to run off the recruit?

So all of those things being the case, why defend behavior that hurts Tennessee with recruits, but has no effect in terms of causing the changes you want to see made? Other than petulant self-indulgence, of course.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Let's attempt some adult, nuanced thinking here:

A) The kid has ACTUALLY CONFIRMED to Matt Ray that comments on social media and message boards are affecting his thinking about Tennessee.
B) Those of us with any sense understand that calling for a coach's job on social media has no effect on whether or not Heupel actually fires said coach. That will be done or not done based on his own conclusions about what will help the program most going forward. So even if you believe with all your heart that firing Martinez and/or Banks is good for the program, expressing that on social media has no effect.
C) IF a coach is fired, it will likely happen after ESD because we don't want to lose recruits. That's just the way it's done. So you may get your way...but why run off a recruit beforehand? Doesn't it make more sense to just keep those opinions off social media so as not to run off the recruit?

So all of those things being the case, why defend behavior that hurts Tennessee with recruits, but has no effect in terms of causing the changes you want to see made? Other than petulant self-indulgence, of course.
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I use my adult thinkings when i hhhwhatch this defense.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Let's attempt some adult, nuanced thinking here:

A) The kid has ACTUALLY CONFIRMED to Matt Ray that comments on social media and message boards are affecting his thinking about Tennessee.
B) Those of us with any sense understand that calling for a coach's job on social media has no effect on whether or not Heupel actually fires said coach. That will be done or not done based on his own conclusions about what will help the program most going forward. So even if you believe with all your heart that firing Martinez and/or Banks is good for the program, expressing that on social media has no effect.
C) IF a coach is fired, it will likely happen after ESD because we don't want to lose recruits. That's just the way it's done. So you may get your way...but why run off a recruit beforehand? Doesn't it make more sense to just keep those opinions off social media so as not to run off the recruit?

So all of those things being the case, why defend behavior that hurts Tennessee with recruits, but has no effect in terms of causing the changes you want to see made? Other than petulant self-indulgence, of course.
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1. If a kid is making a decision mostly due to his position coach, who besides getting fired, could leave for a better job just as easily, that kid and his family are not thinking very critically. You pick a school, and a head coach \ scheme that fits you the best. Position coaches come and go.

2. Who cares if we land a big time recruit if he doesn't get to play until he is a junior no matter how talented he is. We have seen how young guys see the field under Martinez. Keeping a position coach around to get a recruit that isn't even likely to play for a couple years under Martinez seems stupid as hell.

3. People that get their information and make judgements based on internet rumors, social media, assumptions, are clearly morons. People that let things on social media affect their decision making rather than talking to actual people in the AD, the UT coaching staff and some contacts they should have developed by now around the program are the people you should be talking with about your concerns, and finding out the answers from them, not a ****ing message board or podcast..........

Family members that let random internet posters, trolls, opposing fans, and idiots influence their decisions, should not be in charge of making decisions. These are the types that will cause problems in the future for your program if they listen to random **** on message boards and call in shows.. Every rumor, poster criticizing their son, team, coach etc... is going to cause a lot of trouble for the coaching staff in the future if the family members read and believe stuff said on internet message boards. You really can't take the fan boards seriously as a parent. Not much good comes from the internet, you are stupid as a family member if you expose yourself to the the mental torture of message boards when you have a son on any team in college. The internet is only getting worse with AI Chat bots entering the world. It is very easy for an AI chat bot to create numerous accounts like they were doing on twitter to appear as followers and actual fans, and then with the AI chatbot actually post tweets, messages on boards and even voice recordings now to create drama, push narratives and agenda's and create false rumors and basically cause a lot of havoc.
 
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chandler bing said:
1. If a kid is making a decision mostly due to his position coach, who besides getting fired, could leave for a better job just as easily, that kid and his family are not thinking very critically. You pick a school, and a head coach \ scheme that fits you the best. Position coaches come and go.

2. Who cares if we land a big time recruit if he doesn't get to play until he is a junior no matter how talented he is. We have seen how young guys see the field under Martinez. Keeping a position coach around to get a recruit that isn't even likely to play for a couple years under Martinez seems stupid as hell.

3. People that get their information and make judgements based on internet rumors, social media, assumptions, are clearly morons. People that let things on social media affect their decision making rather than talking to actual people in the AD, the UT coaching staff and some contacts they should have developed by now around the program are the people you should be talking with about your concerns, and finding out the answers from them, not a ****ing message board or podcast..........

Family members that let random internet posters, trolls, opposing fans, and idiots influence their decisions, should not be in charge of making decisions. These are the types that will cause problems in the future for your program if they listen to random **** on message boards and call in shows.. Every rumor, poster criticizing their son, team, coach etc... is going to cause a lot of trouble for the coaching staff in the future if the family members read and believe stuff said on internet message boards. You really can't take the fan boards seriously as a parent. Not much good comes from the internet, you are stupid as a family member if you expose yourself to the the mental torture of message boards when you have a son on any team in college.
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As much as you want the part about picking a school to be true, it simply is not 99.99% of the time. Relationships matter in every business and especially so in recruiting. It makes sense a kid would hesitate if he hears things about the coach he has the best relationship with getting fired.
 
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FSU mods think it's them or us depending on if they want him or not, lol... Bama mods think it's us.

Did just come off a FSU visit.

Edit: Apparently FSU is down to one DB spot remaining and prefer Xavier Mincey to help pull McCray from FL. He doesn't announce until Jan 6. So timing seems to look good here.
 
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Definitely us or FSU but the uncertainty of our secondary coach could cost us. Want the kid, super talented and we need him. A change needs to made there regardless. Hopefully coach can assure him we will get a quality coach for his position
 
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UTK said:
Definitely us or FSU but the uncertainty of our secondary coach could cost us. Want the kid, super talented and we need him. A change needs to made there regardless. Hopefully coach can assure him we will get a quality coach for his position
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keep WM till signed and on campus, then kick him to the curb.
 
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chandler bing said:
1. If a kid is making a decision mostly due to his position coach, who besides getting fired, could leave for a better job just as easily, that kid and his family are not thinking very critically. You pick a school, and a head coach \ scheme that fits you the best. Position coaches come and go.

2. Who cares if we land a big time recruit if he doesn't get to play until he is a junior no matter how talented he is. We have seen how young guys see the field under Martinez. Keeping a position coach around to get a recruit that isn't even likely to play for a couple years under Martinez seems stupid as hell.

3. People that get their information and make judgements based on internet rumors, social media, assumptions, are clearly morons. People that let things on social media affect their decision making rather than talking to actual people in the AD, the UT coaching staff and some contacts they should have developed by now around the program are the people you should be talking with about your concerns, and finding out the answers from them, not a ****ing message board or podcast..........

Family members that let random internet posters, trolls, opposing fans, and idiots influence their decisions, should not be in charge of making decisions. These are the types that will cause problems in the future for your program if they listen to random **** on message boards and call in shows.. Every rumor, poster criticizing their son, team, coach etc... is going to cause a lot of trouble for the coaching staff in the future if the family members read and believe stuff said on internet message boards. You really can't take the fan boards seriously as a parent. Not much good comes from the internet, you are stupid as a family member if you expose yourself to the the mental torture of message boards when you have a son on any team in college. The internet is only getting worse with AI Chat bots entering the world. It is very easy for an AI chat bot to create numerous accounts like they were doing on twitter to appear as followers and actual fans, and then with the AI chatbot actually post tweets, messages on boards and even voice recordings now to create drama, push narratives and agenda's and create false rumors and basically cause a lot of havoc.
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1. Of course he’s basing his decision in part on his position coach. That’s how recruiting works.
2. This is an irrelevant argument. I didn’t say Tennessee should or shouldn’t keep WM. The point is calling for his firing on social media can only hurt and does nothing to Jesus did you even read my post?!
 
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CAVPUT said:
One thing is certain...the path to the field is most definitely shorter and much, much wider at UT than any other school. If the kid is anywhere near his evals, I think he plays early and often if he isn't the outright starter at the jump.
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Actually I think Beasley has the better chance of the two. He’s really good.
 
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