Footage of Ferguson

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The worst part is that we are having a QB argument. The better answer would be if things were more settled. I suspect that Worley will still be the starter when all the dust settles. I won't be disappointed if I am wrong because I think the possible replacement will have beaten out a pretty good player.

But there WAS a difference in the whole team when Dooley (meant Worley... I have almost done that about a dozen times this year) went out. He has some leadership ability that was noticably absent after his injury. It is more a statement that none of the other 21 starters could provide it than Dobbs couldn't.

Maybe Worley had more of the "it" factor than some gave him credit for?
 
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BigOrangeCrush32 said:
Damn, you're on Dobbs sack like ants on sugar...surprised you have time to type or at least a free hand...
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And some of you guys are on Fergy's sack, very much to the point of bashing Dobbs, who has potential, in favor of a kid who has yet to take a snap.
 
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k-town_king said:
He was not and he would not.

The week of the South Carolina game Ferguson worked more with the offense because they had Dobbs running the scout team to mimic the mobility of Connor Shaw. A week before in Georgia prep, Dobbs worked with the offense and Ferguson ran the scout offense to mimic Murray.

Ferguson was injured running the scout team during Alabama week, Dobbs was the #2 at that point.

You have to remember that the media had not witnessed team drills other than special teams since Oregon week. Any info that was out there on who was running with what team was carefully leaked out by the staff.

Throughout summer and fall camp, people put way too much stock in what players were working with what players in drills. This staff does not run drills in practice based on what string you are. They let everybody work with everybody to build a comfort level. The players worked together by depth chart in the team periods closed to the media.

This is what Deerpark said. All official depth charts and coaches statements back this up. At no point has RF been ahead on a depth chart. Like I said before I will go with the coaches, depth charts, and people who know instead of anonymous insiders.

I don't know who starts or who Malone wants to be qb. No one does. But to act like RF is so great and Malone came for him is dumb though. All the facts say otherwise. Malone literally said he checked all of the qbs out and liked them. Now the RF people say he was only talking about him. Depth charts , coach and actual insiders say JD was ahead and they don't accept that.
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Ainge gets a lot of stuff from players!! the players are about as inside as your gonna get!
 
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sjt18 said:
The worst part is that we are having a QB argument. The better answer would be if things were more settled. I suspect that Worley will still be the starter when all the dust settles. I won't be disappointed if I am wrong because I think the possible replacement will have beaten out a pretty good player.

But there WAS a difference in the whole team when Dooley (meant Worley... I have almost done that about a dozen times this year) went out. He has some leadership ability that was noticably absent after his injury. It is more a statement that none of the other 21 starters could provide it than Dobbs couldn't.

Maybe Worley had more of the "it" factor than some gave him credit for?
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Worley may be the guy but if he is that means these young guys will put these young guys back another year! so i am thinking RF or JD is the 1
 
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If coach ZA can't coach up Drae Bowles what makes everyone think he can prepare Josh Malone for the SEC?
 
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sjt18 said:
The worst part is that we are having a QB argument. The better answer would be if things were more settled. I suspect that Worley will still be the starter when all the dust settles. I won't be disappointed if I am wrong because I think the possible replacement will have beaten out a pretty good player.
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IMO, that's a worst-case scenario. If CBJ has a young QB who can start next year, they have to start. If Worley starts, it can only be because he was absolutely lights out (lets face it, that isn't going to happen) or because the young guys just aren't that good.

CBJ has one more year before he has to start winning. People can post that he gets 4 or 5 years, but the reality is, he doesn't show significant progress in that 3rd season, he won't see a 4th or 5th at UT. And he will not want to risk that crucial season on an unproven QB.

The only way Worley starts next year is if none of the freshmen can play at all. We've seen what Worley has, and no one can honestly say he's taking the 2014 team anywhere special. He's - at best - mediocre.

Has to be one of the young guys next season.
 
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No need to bash any of our QBs. Dobbs did a good job with what he had to work with and had to compete against the best teams on our schedule. As a freshman, Worley had to go through the same thing against Alabama and South Carolina. Ferguson may pull a Peterman in his first game palying, we don't know because we haven't seen him.

Just let the process work out this Spring and may the best man win. I won't be surprised if we have a situation similar to Ainge and Schaeffer, whoever performs best in game time situations gets the job.
 
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Y'all got it all wrong! Double Top Secret footage of Cooper is what brought Malone to the yard.
 
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sjt18 said:
JC hit UT at an unfortunate time for him. I don't know if he would have been good otherwise... but the roof was collapsing by the time he got his shot to start.
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Think JC in this case was Jerry Colquitt?...after Shuler declared for the draft?...or was he backing fellow NC brethren Crompton?...sorry I jumped on this without reading back in the thread
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orangesoda said:
Worley may be the guy but if he is that means these young guys will put these young guys back another year! so i am thinking RF or JD is the 1
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Not really. The normal process around college football is for a QB to develop for a year or two then play three. If RF is a first time starter in '15... he'll be ready. Next year, he would still have a lot of growing pains to go through. He may still be the right guy... but developmentally for the other three, it would be better for Worley to finish out as the starter.
 
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ETNVol said:
IMO, that's a worst-case scenario. If CBJ has a young QB who can start next year, they have to start. If Worley starts, it can only be because he was absolutely lights out (lets face it, that isn't going to happen) or because the young guys just aren't that good.
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None of this is true. Worley has talent. Surround him with great, well-coached, well developed receivers and he most certainly has the ability to play "lights out".

CBJ has one more year before he has to start winning. People can post that he gets 4 or 5 years, but the reality is, he doesn't show significant progress in that 3rd season, he won't see a 4th or 5th at UT.
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This IS true which makes it even more important to develop these young QB's before throwing them into the fire. The caveat is that I think his work with supporters and alumni probably buy him a 4th year. But you are right that he has to win sooner rather than later.

And he will not want to risk that crucial season on an unproven QB.

The only way Worley starts next year is if none of the freshmen can play at all. We've seen what Worley has, and no one can honestly say he's taking the 2014 team anywhere special. He's - at best - mediocre.
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You are simply wrong about the guy's ability. I am not sure anyone can take the '14 team "anywhere" special but if I am Jones... I'd rather not destroy the confidence of my '15 starter if I expect another rough year.

Has to be one of the young guys next season.
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Has to be the best player next season and every season. That's the right message and it has to be consistent. And again, if one of the 3 young guys steps up and takes it away from Worley then I will have a good deal of confidence in their ability to play.
 
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How many passes did the WR's drop on Dobbs. We will see who wins the job and that is the guy that should have it. The coaches want show favoritism the job will be won on the field and it is silly at this point for anyone to say who that guy will be. A lot can change in 9 months.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
Worley didn't help himself either too much by missing the target fairly often. I think IF Ferguson does step up and become a good QB, Worley has progressed enough this season to be a solid back-up. He won't necessarily win big games, but he won't lose them for you either. He got much better at not turning the ball over as the season progressed.
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South Carolina disagrees. Personally, I think if Worley hadn't get hurt we would have beaten Vandy and would be going to a bowl.
 
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RF possesses a lot of the intangibles you simply can't coach. Live arm being the main one. The staff desperately wanted to redshirt both as they knew they would have little impact this year. Even Peyton struggled his frosh year and the difference in supporting talent wasn't comparable. Yes, RF was their 1st option. Anyone who was impressed with Dobbs, aside from a couple of runs, doesn't know football. He was a major step back from Worley. If Worley doesn't get hurt, this team beats Vandy by 10 or more and is bowling.
 
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sjt18 said:
I hope he really is that good. Worley with a better supporting cast at WR this year would have been a good QB. He took most of the blame but it really hurt him that his best talent at WR was so young and inexperienced.
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I thought you said it was all Butch's fault....not talent...maybe I am mistaken you for another hater :dunno:
 
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tomq_123 said:
South Carolina disagrees. Personally, I think if Worley hadn't get hurt we would have beaten Vandy and would be going to a bowl.
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He was 19/34 for 179 yds 1 TD 0 INT.

Considering these stats and the miraculous catches North had to get us in FG range twice, I'd say this is exactly in line with what I said.

I'd say the folks we can really say WON that game, as opposed to simply didn't lose it for us, were North and Palardy. Palardy's punts definitely kept SC from doing much on offense.
 
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sjt18 said:
I don't know who has the strongest arm... and suspect no one else here does either.

The only guy we know anything about in that regard is Worley. Last year the Juggs gun recorded him over 50 mph... which is comparable to NFL QB's.

This whole argument is pretty meaningless too. Delivering the ball on time, on target, and to the right guy is far more important than being able to throw it through the side of a barn... assuming you can hit it.

If Dobbs had done the first things I mentioned better... he had plenty of arm.
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I was just pointing out Ferguson had the strongest arm. Nothing else.

Hubbs or Fort said it, IIRC.
 
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