Footage of Ferguson

[tennesseeduke]

So will Ferguson start over Worley next year?

YES!

:loco:

Tennesseeduke

 

[sjt18]

South Carolina disagrees. Personally, I think if Worley hadn't get hurt we would have beaten Vandy and would be going to a bowl.

The funny thing is that I have challenged a lot of guys to give me a reason to believe Jones and gang have sufficient coaching ability to win at UT.

Not that I buy it (yet)... but my answer would have been along the lines of what you said. Losing Worley not only cost UT the Vandy game... it probably cost them the opportunity to perform better vs MU and Aub. The D was definitely helped by Worley's ability to manage the O... which was well ahead of Dobbs.

Since you only have time to go in one direction with the team this fall due to talent limitations and the installation of a new system... losing Worley was a really big hit on both sides of the ball.

PS- And no, I don't think Ferguson would have done much better than Dobbs.

 

[sjt18]

I was just pointing out Ferguson had the strongest arm. Nothing else.

Hubbs or Fort said it, IIRC.

OK by me. If he's got a stronger arm than Worley then he has NFL arm strength right now. Are you sure the comparison wasn't between Dobbs and Ferguson and not all 4?

 

[sjt18]

I thought you said it was all Butch's fault....not talent...maybe I am mistaken you for another hater :dunno:

I have very... VERY... consistently said it was BOTH. I guess that makes me a "hater"?

The reason I have argued against the "no talent" side is that a) they overstate the extent of the lack of talent and b) they avoid or outright reject the idea of the staff being responsible for anything that went wrong.


There were roster holes. Big ones. But there were significant coaching failures as well. Both must improve going forward.... not just "talent" or "speed".

 

[LotteryPick]

OK by me. If he's got a stronger arm than Worley then he has NFL arm strength right now. Are you sure the comparison wasn't between Dobbs and Ferguson and not all 4?

Could have been. I know they also compared his arm strength to Bray's.

I am honestly not lobbying for any one QB. I want the best one in there; just my thoughts.

 

[volfan411]

The funny thing is that I have challenged a lot of guys to give me a reason to believe Jones and gang have sufficient coaching ability to win at UT.

Not that I buy it (yet)... but my answer would have been along the lines of what you said. Losing Worley not only cost UT the Vandy game... it probably cost them the opportunity to perform better vs MU and Aub. The D was definitely helped by Worley's ability to manage the O... which was well ahead of Dobbs.

Since you only have time to go in one direction with the team this fall due to talent limitations and the installation of a new system... losing Worley was a really big hit on both sides of the ball.

PS- And no, I don't think Ferguson would have done much better than Dobbs.

I would give you a hundred likes for this if I could. I said earlier today that that offense did not help the defense at all in the MO and Vandy games. I do not think we would have won against MO but it certainly would have been closer if the offense makes a couple of plays and in the Vandy game the defense gave the offense every opportunity to win.

Of course you could turn it around and say the offense gave the defense a chance to win the UGA game and we all know how that turned out.

 

[beachbums624]

I am for the BEST QB to start at UT . Looks like Ferguson played alot of midgets in that high light reel .

 

[LotteryPick]

I am for the BEST QB to start at UT . Looks like Ferguson played alot of midgets in that high light reel .

Played pretty good competition. His Butler team was one of the best in the nation.

 

[sjt18]

I would give you a hundred likes for this if I could. I said earlier today that that offense did not help the defense at all in the MO and Vandy games. I do not think we would have won against MO but it certainly would have been closer if the offense makes a couple of plays and in the Vandy game the defense gave the offense every opportunity to win.

Of course you could turn it around and say the offense gave the defense a chance to win the UGA game and we all know how that turned out.

I think MU was winnable. But I also think Worley is a better QB than many here seem to.

I am still not sold on the staff's ability to coach. Recruiting is good so far but they have to develop players better than we saw this year and must coach better. I am particularly concerned about the DC. I may be in a minority but believe that the O will be OK once the system is more fully engrained. There could be some staff changes... but this IS Jones' offense and not particularly Bajakian's.

 

[volfan411]

I think MU was winnable. But I also think Worley is a better QB than many here seem to.

I do to not sure he is the right QB for the read option but I believe he is a SEC QB.

I wonder if we may see a 2 QB system next year or if we see Jones run more of a spread style offense with all the WR he will have.

 

[sjt18]

Think JC in this case was Jerry Colquitt?...after Shuler declared for the draft?...or was he backing fellow NC brethren Crompton?...sorry I jumped on this without reading back in the thread
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someone pointed out that Shuler had said nice things about Crompton.

Colquitt hit at a great time. His injury was very unfortunate. I think he would have done well.

 

[LotteryPick]

I think MU was winnable. But I also think Worley is a better QB than many here seem to.

I am still not sold on the staff's ability to coach. Recruiting is good so far but they have to develop players better than we saw this year and must coach better. I am particularly concerned about the DC. I may be in a minority but believe that the O will be OK once the system is more fully engrained. There could be some staff changes... but this IS Jones' offense and not particularly Bajakian's.

One major setback for the offense was the lack of a tight end. Kelce was huge for Cincy. Getting both our TE's enrolled early is a very big deal.

The offense will be fine. I won't even try to predict the defense. Having Maggitt back will help, though.

 

[Smokeybluetick]

Sounds to me like ferguson is indeed the go to guy when he's healthy. Dobbs would've never got that start if it wasn't for that now we know for sure.

Ferguson does not have the wheels Dobbs has, and with the receivers that will be running down the field he won't need a huge arm (Andy Kelly).But you DH's running down Dobbs need to stop it, he is a great kid,ambassador,helps team GPA and he is all VOL! Let the coaches pick the QB and you support their pick along with every other player on the f---ing team damn! GO VOLS!

---and how the he11 could you possibly know that Ferg wouldn't have gotten the start,please tell me coach!

 

[roosterjbh]

I hope Dobbs turns out to be great if he is the starter. He seems to have alot of character and potential, but to those saying he was ahead of Ferg here's from the Malone article on VQ...

Key down the stretch for the Vols was the coaching staff's ability to showcase considerable raw practice footage of quarterback Riley Ferguson, who sources indicated would have been the Tennessee starter following injury to incumbent Justin Worley had Ferguson not had a stress-fracture in his right leg. Malone had as much as nearly 90 minutes of practice footage he was able to see of Ferguson, as well as high school film on the former Elite 11 quarterback from near Charlotte, N.C.

-VQ John Brice

 

[sjt18]

I do to not sure he is the right QB for the read option but I believe he is a SEC QB.

I wonder if we may see a 2 QB system next year or if we see Jones run more of a spread style offense with all the WR he will have.

I kind of doubt it and Jones said before the season that he was going to run a pro-style O. Based on his very apparent affinity for pro-style WR's... I believe him.

His QB's only avg'd around 5 carries per game last year. Dobbs was around 8 or 9. Worley avg'd around 2 I believe.

It appears that Jones would prefer not to run his QB often if they are effective throwing it.

I still believe most of what kept them from running Worley more was the effort to avoid burning a RS.

 

[sjt18]

Ferguson does not have the wheels Dobbs has, and with the receivers that will be running down the field he won't need a huge arm (Andy Kelly).But you DH's running down Dobbs need to stop it, he is a great kid,ambassador,helps team GPA and he is all VOL! Let the coaches pick the QB and you support their pick along with every other player on the f---ing team damn! GO VOLS!

---and how the he11 could you possibly know that Justin wouldn't have gotten the start,please tell me coach!

Based on reading virtually everything published that Jones said this year... I think this is the way he evaluates QB's:

1- O management. Bigger than anything else and probably by a wide margin.

2- Passing accuracy and decision making.

3- Arm strength.

4- Running ability.


All other things being equal, you want a mobile QB. But the one thing that even a skeptic like me can see is that he is hauling in playmakers at the skill positions... in bunches. The #1 job of the QB over the next 2-3 seasons at least will not be to run the football. It will be to manage the O and get the ball into the hands of playmakers.

 

[Dougie_D]

I'm pretty sure the Vols weren't just showing him our QB's throwing motion. My guess is that they showed him how most of WR's couldn't make the "catchable plays" and they needed help.

 

[sjt18]

One major setback for the offense was the lack of a tight end. Kelce was huge for Cincy. Getting both our TE's enrolled early is a very big deal.

I am disappointed that they did not bring Downs along more than they did. It could be because so many others went down to injury at that position but he has shown signs of being a good TE. I guess we'll see soon enough if they can develop the talent they have there.

The offense will be fine. I won't even try to predict the defense. Having Maggitt back will help, though.

That's kind of where I am at.

Another argument that no one hit me with that I've thought of is that they were doing what they could with the SR's and avoiding playing younger guys that they were very intensely re-shaping. Jones alluded to the difference between the workout program of RS's vs those playing. Can't remember the exact substance but I wonder if they were effectively RSing even some younger guys who no longer had a RS but would benefit more from more development than playing time.

That's reaching a bit... which is again why I haven't talked myself into believing it... but IMO it is a stronger argument than I've gotten from those calling me a troll or questioning my intelligence.

 

[sjt18]

I'm pretty sure the Vols weren't just showing him our QB's throwing motion. My guess is that they showed him how most of WR's couldn't make the "catchable plays" and they needed help.

No question they showed him plays that were missed opportunities and told him, "This is where you fit".

 

[ETNVol]

None of this is true. Worley has talent. Surround him with great, well-coached, well developed receivers and he most certainly has the ability to play "lights out".

This IS true which makes it even more important to develop these young QB's before throwing them into the fire. The caveat is that I think his work with supporters and alumni probably buy him a 4th year. But you are right that he has to win sooner rather than later.

You are simply wrong about the guy's ability. I am not sure anyone can take the '14 team "anywhere" special but if I am Jones... I'd rather not destroy the confidence of my '15 starter if I expect another rough year.



Has to be the best player next season and every season. That's the right message and it has to be consistent. And again, if one of the 3 young guys steps up and takes it away from Worley then I will have a good deal of confidence in their ability to play.

I can only laugh at someone who suggests that Worley is capable of playing "lights out". He couldn't have started anywhere else in the SEC last year, apart from maybe KY.

Barring injury, he'll never start another game at UT.

 

[tomq_123]

The funny thing is that I have challenged a lot of guys to give me a reason to believe Jones and gang have sufficient coaching ability to win at UT.

Not that I buy it (yet)... but my answer would have been along the lines of what you said. Losing Worley not only cost UT the Vandy game... it probably cost them the opportunity to perform better vs MU and Aub. The D was definitely helped by Worley's ability to manage the O... which was well ahead of Dobbs.

Since you only have time to go in one direction with the team this fall due to talent limitations and the installation of a new system... losing Worley was a really big hit on both sides of the ball.

PS- And no, I don't think Ferguson would have done much better than Dobbs.

I would totally agree with this assessment. Also a lot of people have been complaining about special teams (outside of Palardy), but I personally think special teams were pretty good early in the season. This is one place where depth really hurt as guys where just tired of playing so many snaps and special teams really took a hit later in the year (again outside Palardy who had a great year).

 

[oldsmokey67]

So if Ferguson was so good in practice, why didn't he start or even take over in the 2nd half of the Florida game?

because he was hurt.Did you read the article.

 

[tnvolswmd]

That doesn't mean Ferguson is the starter next year, but that certainly seems to back up what Ainge was saying about him. Very interesting.

In Malones announcement he kinda pointed to Ferguson being in the lead to start next year but hurried and corrected to mention how Dobbs has really good upside also.

 

[MiramarVol]

They've got a couple of guys pushing to be the main guy," Malone said of Dobbs, Riley Ferguson and Justin Worley. "I've seen lots of film on all the guys and I really feel that they're talented and I'm confident going into that situation."

His actual quote word for word. He likes a couple of qbs we have.

You know the Ferries are gonna switch it up like the staff would actually throw 3 QB's under the bus for one recruit. #ComeOnMan

 

[UTProf]

You know the Ferries are gonna switch it up like the staff would actually throw 3 QB's under the bus for one recruit. #ComeOnMan

In fairness, it was once again local sports media fueling that fire before taking it back. They know the controversy and Fergs partisanship sells and they're not afraid to use it to up ratings and clicks.

But yeah, there's no way in Hades the coaching staff throws the entire QB corps under the bus to promote a redshirt QB as they go after a recruit, especially when they've bent over backwards to keep all of our QBs happy and they've created a tighter team and recruiting class than I can recall. They're fully aware we can't afford to lose any of our QBs this year -- even more so given the injuries that quashed plans to redshirt Dobbs and Ferguson.

Talk about a great way to sow division and self-destruct a team...