Football and Capitalism...

#102
#102
alwaysorange81 said:
it has been my experience that working from a common understanding is in fact a fine method of getting things done.

I of course am also open to playing the game of "who eats the smallest bite of the crap pie". Just don't complain when it's time to swallow your share.
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Swallow my share.... you 'll have to remind me how my share is 40% and that is some how fair....
 
#104
#104
droski said:
there is a reason why counties give tax breaks to walmart. because having a walmart pays for itself many times over in jobs and sales tax revenue. there is no conspiracy here.
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Oh Really!

Wal Mart moves in

Wal Mart has an electronics dept which they hire someone at minimum wage or just above to operate. That electronics department puts the local electronics store out of business that has fed a family for years. The local store put it's profits into the family that lived in the community and the local community causes. Uniforms for the kid's baseball team, contributed contributions to the HS band, academic team, etc. Since he's now out of business and the $7 an hour guy at Wal Mart can't afford to donate to the kid's baseball uniform fund, the taxes go up so the recreation dept can buy uniforms.

Wal Mart repeats this procedure over and over again in every department, shoes, men's clothes, women's clothes, sporting goods, groceries, meat department, tire shop, automobile garage, lawnmowers, pharmacists, whatever.

In the end Wal Mart takes a town where the average income of those in the retail business might be say $75,000 per year and turns it into a town where the average income of those in retail is $15,000 per year with the lost $60,000 going to Bentonville Arkansas.

On the surface the politicians brag "We created 200 jobs at Wal Mart". What they didn't say is they cost the town 400 jobs with a payroll equal to 6 times the 200 jobs they created.

Wal Mart is in the business of making Wal Mart Money not in the business of helping a town grow it's economy. If Wal Mart could suck every nickle out of a town tomorrow they would.
 
#106
#106
Wow............. it has gone from people who have chubbies for gov't to people who hate walmart......

The politics forum is going down hill.
 
#107
#107
OrangeEmpire said:
Great, more text book gov't loving morons.....

But.... but..... gov't is righteous...... gov't creates wealth..........
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Cheers!
 
#109
#109
alwaysorange81 said:
evidently it has been changed. I don't have a problem with it either way. As an economic principle, I believe debtors, and work contract parties are equally entitled to protection in the event of bankruptcy.

As a legal matter, I think you can add it to the very long list of peculiar usages of executive power. I don't believe it's anything to call Kenneth Star about, unless we're willing to open a whole can of worms containing everything from warrantless wiretaps to secret Nixon recordings. The Presidents handling of this matter will be revisited in 2012.
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the law absolutely has not been changed. the president has no right whatsoever to make his own law and to ignore the laws that he doesn't agree with. NONE. would you be happy if he started arresting people he didn't agree with? how is this different? the laws exist today as a reason. because bankruptcy protection for bondholders is one of the foundations of our economy. without lendors the economy would not flourish. if bush pulled a similar thing with enron or halliburton he WOULD have been impeached.
 
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#112
droski said:
the president has no right whatsoever to make his own law and to ignore the laws that he doesn't agree with. NONE. the laws exist today as a reason. because bankruptcy protection for bondholders is one of the foundations of our economy. without lendors the economy would not flourish. if bush pulled a similar thing with enron he WOULD have been impeached.
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I wish this would have happened, then we wouldn't have the clown we have now.
 
#114
#114
alwaysorange81 said:
evidently it has been changed. I don't have a problem with it either way. As an economic principle, I believe debtors, and work contract parties are equally entitled to protection in the event of bankruptcy.

As a legal matter, I think you can add it to the very long list of peculiar usages of executive power. I don't believe it's anything to call Kenneth Star about, unless we're willing to open a whole can of worms containing everything from warrantless wiretaps to secret Nixon recordings. The Presidents handling of this matter will be revisited in 2012.
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Not even in this case were they equally protected. Regardless, I cannot believe anyone would condone such an action!

"Peculiar usages of executive power". Holy Moly, that is an understatement!
 
#115
#115
KYSkipper said:
Oh Really!

Wal Mart moves in

Wal Mart has an electronics dept which they hire someone at minimum wage or just above to operate. That electronics department puts the local electronics store out of business that has fed a family for years. The local store put it's profits into the family that lived in the community and the local community causes. Uniforms for the kid's baseball team, contributed contributions to the HS band, academic team, etc. Since he's now out of business and the $7 an hour guy at Wal Mart can't afford to donate to the kid's baseball uniform fund, the taxes go up so the recreation dept can buy uniforms.

Wal Mart repeats this procedure over and over again in every department, shoes, men's clothes, women's clothes, sporting goods, groceries, meat department, tire shop, automobile garage, lawnmowers, pharmacists, whatever.

In the end Wal Mart takes a town where the average income of those in the retail business might be say $75,000 per year and turns it into a town where the average income of those in retail is $15,000 per year with the lost $60,000 going to Bentonville Arkansas.

On the surface the politicians brag "We created 200 jobs at Wal Mart". What they didn't say is they cost the town 400 jobs with a payroll equal to 6 times the 200 jobs they created.

Wal Mart is in the business of making Wal Mart Money not in the business of helping a town grow it's economy. If Wal Mart could suck every nickle out of a town tomorrow they would.
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what a bunch of garbage. what about hte thousands of people benefiting from buying things at walmart 20% cheaper than they could before? that doesn't matter? the cost savings and sales tax benefits far outweighs any extremely minimal wage decreases for a couple of hundred people. what about the senior level high paying jobs walmart provides? do you realize how much money a walmart manager makes? if these workers deserved to be paid $20 an hour instead of $9 then they would be. end of story. don't believe hte bs your union puts out. and i love this theory that guys bagging groceries were making 60k a year before walmart moved in.
 
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#117
#117
Yes. People are being forced to patronize Walmart. It's a shame they don't know what's in their best interest!
 
#118
#118
droski said:
the president has no right whatsoever to make his own law and to ignore the laws that he doesn't agree with. NONE. would you be happy if he started arresting people he didn't agree with? how is this different? the laws exist today as a reason. because bankruptcy protection for bondholders is one of the foundations of our economy. without lendors the economy would not flourish. if bush pulled a similar thing with enron he WOULD have been impeached.
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I'm going to be honest with you. I don't know enough about what exactly happened to judge that the law was broken. But...as a matter a fact, I would have no choice but to agree with you if it were, me being a man of principle.

I would only ask, at what point do we start impeaching presidents for something more substantial than felacio? And which law exactly has been broken?

If we impeach the President over this, can we then indict President Bush for war crimes? torcher, missleading the state into unjust war, warrantless wiretaps. Should we investigate Johnson's involvment in the Kennedy assassination? Iran Contra?

Not trying to start a fight, seriously asking you what you think we should do about Executive overreaches of power? And when we should start doing that?
 
#120
#120
KYSkipper said:
Wal Mart is in the business of making Wal Mart Money not in the business of helping a town grow it's economy. If Wal Mart could suck every nickle out of a town tomorrow they would.
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As a shareholder of Walmart, this is the only thing I care about as well. If everyone thought Walmart was so evil they would stop shopping there and pay 1.5x more for the same goods at a mom and pop.
 
#121
#121
golfballs03 said:
Yes. People are being forced to patronize Walmart. It's a shame they don't know what's in their best interest!
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if you aren't willing to pay double for your car stereo so that the kids can have baseball uniforms then you're just un-American
 
#122
#122
KYSkipper said:
Oh Really!

Wal Mart moves in

Wal Mart has an electronics dept which they hire someone at minimum wage or just above to operate. That electronics department puts the local electronics store out of business that has fed a family for years. The local store put it's profits into the family that lived in the community and the local community causes. Uniforms for the kid's baseball team, contributed contributions to the HS band, academic team, etc. Since he's now out of business and the $7 an hour guy at Wal Mart can't afford to donate to the kid's baseball uniform fund, the taxes go up so the recreation dept can buy uniforms.

Wal Mart repeats this procedure over and over again in every department, shoes, men's clothes, women's clothes, sporting goods, groceries, meat department, tire shop, automobile garage, lawnmowers, pharmacists, whatever.

In the end Wal Mart takes a town where the average income of those in the retail business might be say $75,000 per year and turns it into a town where the average income of those in retail is $15,000 per year with the lost $60,000 going to Bentonville Arkansas.

On the surface the politicians brag "We created 200 jobs at Wal Mart". What they didn't say is they cost the town 400 jobs with a payroll equal to 6 times the 200 jobs they created.

Wal Mart is in the business of making Wal Mart Money not in the business of helping a town grow it's economy. If Wal Mart could suck every nickle out of a town tomorrow they would.
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#123
#123
golfballs03 said:
Not even in this case were they equally protected. Regardless, I cannot believe anyone would condone such an action!

"Peculiar usages of executive power". Holy Moly, that is an understatement!
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I think when we move from arguments of principle, to proposed statements of fact, I'll have to demand evidence. What you cannot believe is not actually the point of the discussion, but thanks for the contribution.
 
#124
#124
alwaysorange81 said:
I'm going to be honest with you. I don't know enough about what exactly happened to judge that the law was broken. But...as a matter a fact, I would have no choice but to agree with you if it were, me being a man of principle.

I would only ask, at what point do we start impeaching presidents for something more substantial than felacio? And which law exactly has been broken?

If we impeach the President over this, can we then indict President Bush for war crimes? torcher, missleading the state into unjust war, warrantless wiretaps. Should we investigate Johnson's involvment in the Kennedy assassination? Iran Contra?

Not trying to start a fight, seriously asking you what you think we should do about Executive overreaches of power? And when we should start doing that?
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there is absolutely zero argument the law wasn't broken. i think violating 200 years of US bankruptcy law, the foundation of our economic system, is a egregious use of presidentail power. particurally since it directly benefited one of his most major campaign contributors. there is zero evidence of bush commiting war crimes. warentless wiretaps should be investigated. as should iran contra or any involvment in a presidential assisination. ANY time there is evidence a president does something which is not legal he should be investigated. end of story.
 
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#125
droski said:
the law absolutely has not been changed. the president has no right whatsoever to make his own law and to ignore the laws that he doesn't agree with. NONE. would you be happy if he started arresting people he didn't agree with? how is this different? the laws exist today as a reason. because bankruptcy protection for bondholders is one of the foundations of our economy. without lendors the economy would not flourish. if bush pulled a similar thing with enron or halliburton he WOULD have been impeached.
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I would also point out. If the law were broken here, the management of GM, the Union, and the Judge presiding the case would all be, at the least, complicit. Should they be indicted?
 
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