For the Fire Fulmer Crowd

[smokedog#3]

hey ukvols are you a bears fan they won today.

 

[ukvols]

Yeah, I like the Bears. They are providing me with something good to watch after another disastrous Vols game. While I'm at the keyboard, does anybody honestly think keeping Fulmer and bringing back Cutcliffe will turn things around? We need new some new blood with some new ideas, and we need discipline. Think about this...A lot of people wanted to keep Buzz, myself included, but it was because I thought it would kill a key recruiting class. I guess I had given up hope on Vol hoops. Well, we did lose a recruiting class, but it's undisputed that we're better off with Pearl. My guess is that a lot of the pro-Fulmers have given up on the Vols finishing at the top of the SEC. That being said, I hope Fulmer and the Vols win this week.

 

[smokedog#3]

Sweet i'm a huge bears fan our d-fense rocks. no i don't think CUT coming back will make all that big of impact, no manning to make him look great. he is to close to fulmer we need an outsider.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by smokedog#3@Nov 20, 2005 6:37 PM
Sweet i'm a huge bears fan our d-fense rocks.  no i don't think CUT coming back will make all that big of impact,  no manning to make him look great.  he is to close to fulmer we need an outsider.

[snapback]198096[/snapback]​

He helped Heath Shuler become a great QB, and T Martin digressed once he left, and neither one of them are the brightest of bulbs. He also developed Andy Kelly and Eli Manning. That is an impressive resume if you ask me.

He may be too close to CPF, but CPF may be likely to leave him alone and let him run the offense. I cannot see CPF doing that with any other hire.

 

[Jmxvol]

Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Nov 19, 2005 5:52 PM
You honestly think someone would want to coach a school that avgs 10-3 over the past 4 seasons..won several SEC Championships, a NC, and has one bad season and the coach is fired?  Unrealistic expectations there.

[snapback]196939[/snapback]​

We have facilities, huge fan base, tradition, and a big check book....You're crazy if u don't think people would crawl on their hands and knees for the opportunity to coach here. Coaches couldn't care less about the last coach that was here. All they care about is it is their turn.

 

[Jmxvol]

Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Nov 19, 2005 5:27 PM
Did UT just not play for the SEC championship last yr?? Yeah sounds like Fulmer needs to go. Has he not won 10 games 2 out of the past 3 seasons?? :question:

[snapback]196877[/snapback]​

Why don't u go worry about Florida and stay out of this? You don't have a dog in the fight.

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by Jmxvol@Nov 20, 2005 5:46 PM
Why don't u go worry about Florida and stay out of this?

Because he is one of this board's best posters and made some great points.

 

[vols2345]

well if fulmer got fired, there is always cutlife or norm chow.

 

[IBleedOrange24/7]

Originally posted by NCGatorBait@Nov 19, 2005 5:03 PM
Honestly guys..the next coach will be a sacrificial lamb..you know what Fulmer can do..you dont know how far the next coach might pull the program down.

BTW who would want to coach at a Universtity that fires a coach for one bad yr outta 13? THis would be like Nebraska all over..you'd fall even further behind.

[snapback]196802[/snapback]​

A-FreakingMEN. I did skip the inbetween posts etc.

 

[MemphisVol]

Originally posted by U-T@Nov 20, 2005 9:14 PM
Because he is one of this board's best posters and made some great points.

[snapback]198222[/snapback]​

Well, he's definitely one of this board's best posters....

Kind've been pushing the overall W-L thing and the false idea that the decline has been just 1 year long while ignoring the record against ranked opponents and inconsistency because of the rabid "fire fulmer" posts, but, yeah, definitely one of our best posters.


Which is fairly depressing when you think about it considering he's part lizard.

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 19, 2005 5:11 PM
Yeah, Butch Davis really drug Miami to rock botttom. How many times did he lose to Temple, the team most comparable to Vanderbilt on Miami's schedule?

[snapback]196822[/snapback]​

Butch Davis was 5-6 in 1997 and was not fired. In 6 seasons, he only won more than 10+ games his final season (11-1) and then he ran to the NFL. That was the only season he won the Big East outright and his only top 10 finish.

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by allvol@Nov 21, 2005 10:08 AM
Butch Davis was 5-6 in 1997 and was not fired.  In 6 seasons, he only won more than 10+ games his final season (11-1) and then he ran to the NFL.  That was the only season he won the Big East outright and his only top 10 finish.

[snapback]198567[/snapback]​

You omit the fact that he inherited a program on probation.

 

[GAVol]

True . . . Dennis Erickson left Miami with probation and Davis helped restore the program. I'm still not sold on Butch Davis being as good as some are saying though.

 

[U-T]

Originally posted by MemphisVol@Nov 21, 2005 2:15 AM
Which is fairly depressing when you think about it considering he's part lizard.

Right. It is scary

 

[iluvcooter]

Even though we are all in agreement that CPF let his loyalty to his "family" cloud his judgement of the overall program, we need to remember that this is his first head coaching job. No, head coaching is not "new" to him by any means, but he is dealing with a 5-6 or 4-7 season and a bunch of blue chip egos at the same time. If we don't let him revamp and restart, some other school will. Fulmer is good at what he does, and he will learn some valuable lessons from this season. I think at the very least the heat will force him to take a few risks that he felt like he didn't need to take immediately following the '98 season.

I for one am looking forward to some positive changes and a benchmark for forgetting the past and starting fresh for the future. This season provides a nice place to make a clean break emotionally and psychologically. Next season should truly feel like a "new season."

 

[twest1352]

Fulmer absolutely does not need to go.

 

[VolNGA]

Originally posted by iluvcooter@Nov 21, 2005 5:26 PM
Even though we are all in agreement that CPF let his loyalty to his "family" cloud his judgement of the overall program, we need to remember that this is his first head coaching job.  No, head coaching is not "new" to him by any means, but he is dealing with a 5-6 or 4-7 season and a bunch of blue chip egos at the same time.  If we don't let him revamp and restart, some other school will.  Fulmer is good at what he does, and he will learn some valuable lessons from this season.  I think at the very least the heat will force him to take a few risks that he felt like he didn't need to take immediately following the '98 season.

I for one am looking forward to some positive changes and a benchmark for forgetting the past and starting fresh for the future.  This season provides a nice place to make a clean break emotionally and psychologically.  Next season should truly feel like a "new season."

[snapback]198891[/snapback]​

Well said Cooter Lover! And I hope you are right in your analysis.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 21, 2005 10:27 AM
True . . . Dennis Erickson left Miami with probation and Davis helped restore the program.  I'm still not sold on Butch Davis being as good as some are saying though.

[snapback]198577[/snapback]​

Davis was a failure in Cleveland, and his problems seemed to be mismanagement of personnel including a QB carousel. Ring any bells?

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 21, 2005 5:54 PM
Davis was a failure in Cleveland, and his problems seemed to be mismanagement of personnel including a QB carousel.  Ring any bells?

[snapback]198918[/snapback]​

Right. Failure in the pros means you can't cut it in college. Look at Pete Carroll.

 

[rollo009]

tennessee has not beaten a top 10 team at home for awhile which says that we have been outcoached more often than not. i don't know about firing phil but i think wholesale changes are in order, a redoing of the house sort of speak. some changes are in mandatory changes or we could be in trouble next year as well.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 21, 2005 5:55 PM
Right. Failure in the pros means you can't cut it in college. Look at Pete Carroll.

[snapback]198921[/snapback]​

True, it doesn't always necessarily equate. It is just a little disconcerting that he is experienced in some of the same problems that the Vols experience: QB controversy and personnel mismanagement. Not to mention the fact that the weakest part of his teams in Cleveland was the OL.

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 21, 2005 6:00 PM
True, it doesn't always necessarily equate.  It is just a little disconcerting that he is experienced in some of the same problems that the Vols experience: QB controversy and personell mismanagement.  Not to mention the fact that the weakest part of his teams in Cleveland was the OL.

[snapback]198928[/snapback]​

On the other hand, the Miami O-line of 2001 that Davis recruited is arguably the greatest in college football history.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 21, 2005 6:05 PM
On the other hand, the Miami O-line of 2001 that Davis recruited is arguably the greatest in college football history.

[snapback]198932[/snapback]​

Yes, but he will be starting from the ground up here, much like the Cleveland job. I was not impressed with the way he handled himself in Cleveland. I guess we have to agree to disagree. It is really a moot point anyway.

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 21, 2005 6:09 PM
Yes, but he will be starting from the ground up here, much like the Cleveland job.  I was not impressed with the way he handled himself in Cleveland.  I guess we have to agree to disagree.  It is really a moot point anyway.

[snapback]198938[/snapback]​

Davis took over a program on probation that had been in decline for three years at Miami. I do agree that this discussion is probably just an intellectual exercise.

 

[I_BLEED_ORANGE]

PAT HILL.........If a guy could compete with USC AND almost beat them with with a bunch of California rejects.Think about what the guy could do with the talent we have here.And his team is always very disciplined.They dont quit.I would trade him for fulmer right now.