Formula 1 Thread

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Nerd-Vol said:
Yeah, folks had some wild designs back in the day. There is an interesting documentary done back in the 1980's called "Equinox: Turbo, once around the block", part two is called qualifying boost, and there is a third part called made to measure. The documentary follows Cosworth and Ford in their efforts to develop a turbo engine for the 87 season, in the Haas Lola F1 car.

Pretty interesting and technical stuff.
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Wasn't that engine only a 6 cylinder? I thought I read something on engine manufactures were trying to go light, but have the same power of the V-12's
 
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JL 103 said:
Wasn't that engine only a 6 cylinder? I thought I read something on engine manufactures were trying to go light, but have the same power of the V-12's
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Yep. All the turbos(someone correct me if I am mistaken) were either v6 or I4. The I4 was the ideal method as you had more flexibility with the plumbing (intercoolers and what not), but V6's were easier to develop. Turbos were limited to 1.5 liters while the NA motors were 3.0.

The BMW I4 turbos could produce over 1400hp in qualifying trim. Nutty stuff. Cosworth initially tried an I4 but couldn't get it to work.
 
#1,528
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Nerd-Vol said:
Yep. All the turbos(someone correct me if I am mistaken) were either v6 or I4. The I4 was the ideal method as you had more flexibility with the plumbing (intercoolers and what not), but V6's were easier to develop. Turbos were limited to 1.5 liters while the NA motors were 3.0.

The BMW I4 turbos could produce over 1400hp in qualifying trim. Nutty stuff. Cosworth initially tried an I4 but couldn't get it to work.
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An I4 with a big turbo can produce massive power. The problem is you have to keep the rpm's up to produce it. Those slow corners would hurt performance and time.
 
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JL 103 said:
An I4 with a big turbo can produce massive power. The problem is you have to keep the rpm's up to produce it. Those slow corners would hurt performance and time.
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I imagine so. I am actually not sure if they used a rally-car style anti-lag system. I doubt they used such systems in the last few years of turbos where fuel efficiency was super important.

It just blows my mind that they were getting 1400hp from a 1.5L I4 back in the 80s. I know the shelf life of one of the engines was just the length of a grand prix. But still a tremendous amount of power.
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
I imagine so. I am actually not sure if they used a rally-car style anti-lag system. I doubt they used such systems in the last few years of turbos where fuel efficiency was super important.

It just blows my mind that they were getting 1400hp from a 1.5L I4 back in the 80s. I know the shelf life of one of the engines was just the length of a grand prix. But still a tremendous amount of power.
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NHRA teams were experimenting with 4 cylinder engines a few years ago. The inline 4 gives engineers alot of options. Were as v-8's are vey limited.
 
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Here is an awesome picture video of all those F1 engines in the late eighties. Good god the size of the turbos. No wonder they produced so much power.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r1xWqJ9DjU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
I imagine so. I am actually not sure if they used a rally-car style anti-lag system. I doubt they used such systems in the last few years of turbos where fuel efficiency was super important.

It just blows my mind that they were getting 1400hp from a 1.5L I4 back in the 80s. I know the shelf life of one of the engines was just the length of a grand prix. But still a tremendous amount of power.
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Not even. Those 1400 hp engines were the brabham bmws and those only lasted one quali session. Really they only used half that in a gp. You ever wonder why quali times were so much faster than race times?
 
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ptclaus98 said:
Not even. Those 1400 hp engines were the brabham bmws and those only lasted one quali session. Really they only used half that in a gp. You ever wonder why quali times were so much faster than race times?
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My mistake. They also had special qualifying tires back then as well.
 
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ptclaus98 said:
Not even. Those 1400 hp engines were the brabham bmws and those only lasted one quali session. Really they only used half that in a gp. You ever wonder why quali times were so much faster than race times?
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Some of the drivers would park their cars because of the specialty qualifying engines, tyers, and electronic fuel management systems.
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
Also, I know it's dangerous, but refueling was fun. Hell it was the only reason Toyota ever looked decent in a couple of seasons, simply qualifying on fumes and then pitting within 6 laps.
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I agree. Refueling needs to be brought back. With its demise a lot of the strategy was lost and a level of unpredictably is missing.
 
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Godfatha said:
I agree. Refueling needs to be brought back. With its demise a lot of the strategy was lost and a level of unpredictably is missing.
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Pitstops without fueling are boring. Unless a driver goes to the wrong stall. Then it's hilarious.
 
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he got lucky, at least thats what i'll blame it on. i'm more pleased with dickbag vettel starting 9th and having to make his way by the human crash test dummy grosjean which could lead to even more pleasure for me at vettels expense
 
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Fleetwood1104 said:
he got lucky, at least thats what i'll blame it on. i'm more pleased with dickbag vettel starting 9th and having to make his way by the human crash test dummy grosjean which could lead to even more pleasure for me at vettels expense
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Lol! I can't stand Vettel. I tried to watch the F1 36 covering him. I couldn't do it.
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
Lol! I can't stand Vettel. I tried to watch the F1 36 covering him. I couldn't do it.
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i saw him on david letterman a while back and he didn't make me want to punch him in the face during the interview, and i really tried to like the guy if nothing else for is ability but i gave up and just root for him to blow a motor on the first lap of every race now
 
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Fleetwood1104 said:
i saw him on david letterman a while back and he didn't make me want to punch him in the face during the interview, and i really tried to like the guy if nothing else for is ability but i gave up and just root for him to blow a motor on the first lap of every race now
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Yeah. He was decent on top gear too. Dude is developing that ruthless streak, same sorta trait schumacher had. Nowhere near as ruthless though. Senna had it too. It will get you championships, but it won't earn you much favor with me.
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
Yeah. He was decent on top gear too. Dude is developing that ruthless streak, same sorta trait schumacher had. Nowhere near as ruthless though. Senna had it too. It will get you championships, but it won't earn you much favor with me.
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i'm sure he is a solid guy and ruthlessness is a great trait in a race car driver but to me a guy that won't admit when he just ****ed up and got greedy loses a lot of point with me. if he had just sucked it up and said "the right thing" i probably would have just rooted against him because he's good. now i will root against him because he's a cod sack.
 
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#1,545
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Fleetwood1104 said:
i'm sure he is a solid guy and ruthlessness is a great trait in a race car driver but to me a guy that won't admit when he just ****ed up and got greedy loses a lot of point with me. if he had just sucked it up and said "the right thing" i probably would have just rooted against him because he's good. now i will root against him because he's a cod sack.
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Yes. Let the hate flow through you!
 
#1,546
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Fleetwood1104 said:
i'm sure he is a solid guy and ruthlessness is a great trait in a race car driver but to me a guy that won't admit when he just ****ed up and got greedy loses a lot of point with me. if he had just sucked it up and said "the right thing" i probably would have just rooted against him because he's good. now i will root against him because he's a cod sack.
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Lol, U mad?
 
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