Found out during worship yesterday....

#101
#101
ridethelightening said:
This is about establishing the new covenant and also about the Pharisees being more concerned with the law and the process than the heart.

"For Abraham says," means nothing to you, though
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My point was about the possibility for someone to find ways to interpret scripture as permission for violent acts. I don't think the Quran is significantly more violent than the old testament, but yet some go on here as if it is advocating the slaughtering of the world.
 
#102
#102
gsvol said:
It isn't about individuals, it is about the nature of islam itself and what it teaches.
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And I think it is all about the individual. There are many Muslims that disregard the nonsense in the Qu'ran and focus on the good stuff. Just like there are many Christians that disregard the nonsense in the Bible and focus on the good stuff.
 
#103
#103
IPorange said:
My point was about the possibility for someone to find ways to interpret scripture as permission for violent acts. I don't think the Quran is significantly more violent than the old testament, but yet some go on here as if it is advocating the slaughtering of the world.
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I agree, but all reigious texts are not created equal. I think the Qu'ran is significantly more violent than anything in the Bible. The fact still remains though a good person will disregard the nonsense and focus on the good parts. I'm still convinced, bad people will be bad and good people will be good, regardless of what the text actually says.
 
#104
#104
IPorange said:
My point was about the possibility for someone to find ways to interpret scripture as permission for violent acts. I don't think the Quran is significantly more violent than the old testament, but yet some go on here as if it is advocating the slaughtering of the world.
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The old testament was done away with with the death of Jesus. We don't live by those laws anymore
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#106
#106
IPorange said:
My point was about the possibility for someone to find ways to interpret scripture as permission for violent acts. I don't think the Quran is significantly more violent than the old testament, but yet some go on here as if it is advocating the slaughtering of the world.
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muslims take the quran literally. very few christians do the same for the old testament.
 
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#107
droski said:
muslims take the quran literally. very few christians do the same for the old testament.
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Generalize one group, then not the other...

Ask some Christians if they take the Bible literally here in the South, and they'll ask if you if there is really any other way.
 
#108
#108
IPorange said:
My point was about the possibility for someone to find ways to interpret scripture as permission for violent acts. I don't think the Quran is significantly more violent than the old testament, but yet some go on here as if it is advocating the slaughtering of the world.
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rjd970 said:
And I think it is all about the individual. There are many Muslims that disregard the nonsense in the Qu'ran and focus on the good stuff. Just like there are many Christians that disregard the nonsense in the Bible and focus on the good stuff.
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Are you guys capable of admitting you're off base?

IP is now back to bringing up the old testament and RJD your statement is nothing more than generalities.

I've never said there is not good included in both sources, but it is without question that the Qur'an actively promotes violence whereas Christianity is based primarily on love and forgiveness. They could not be more different in this aspect whether you believe in a Supreme Being or not. Taken strictly on literature, they are more opposite than similar.
 
#109
#109
droski said:
muslims take the quran literally. very few christians do the same for the old testament.
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Did you recently conduct a poll of Christians and their belief in the Old Testament? Or do you just "know" very few take the Old Testament literally? Here in the South, the number of Christians who take the Old Testament literally is more than a few, but maybe the overall percentage is very low. I don't know and I don't think you really do either
 
#110
#110
some even in this forum take it literally, but most christians do not. a very small % do. probably less than 20%.
 
#111
#111
truefan said:
Did you recently conduct a poll of Christians and their belief in the Old Testament? Or do you just "know" very few take the Old Testament literally? Here in the South, the number of Christians who take the Old Testament literally is more than a few, but maybe the overall percentage is very low. I don't know and I don't think you really do either
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i know that a very small % of chrisitians belong to groups taht take it literaly. sorry i have common sense.
 
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#112
#112
IPorange said:
Shall we discuss Leviticus 25:44-46?

Numbers 31?

Samuel 15: 2-3?

Deuteronomy 13:6-16?

Sure, one can speak of context. But one could do the same for the Quran, could they not?
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NO!

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Verses of Violence

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

These verses are mostly open-ended, meaning that the historical context is not embedded within the surrounding text - as are nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Qur'an.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. This proclivity toward violence - and Muhammad's own martial legacy - has left a trail of blood and tears across world history.
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Jesus gave us a new law to live by, saying he had fulfilled the Old Testament Law.

It starts out like this:

1. Love God with all your heart, mind and soul.

2. Love your neighbor as yourself.

3. Love one another as I have loved you.
 
#113
#113
IBlvNTmWrk said:
Are you guys capable of admitting you're off base?

IP is now back to bringing up the old testament and RJD your statement is nothing more than generalities.

I've never said there is not good included in both sources, but it is without question that the Qur'an actively promotes violence whereas Christianity is based primarily on love and forgiveness. They could not be more different in this aspect whether you believe in a Supreme Being or not. Taken strictly on literature, they are more opposite than similar.
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I'm bringing up the old testament because Christians always try and distance themselves from it when it is really looked at, and yet draw some of their core beliefs solely from it. You can't have it both ways.
 
#114
#114
IPorange said:
We just advocate them being posted at our court houses?

Where in the new testament does it say homosexuality is a sin?
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Romans 1:21-28, I Corinthians 6:9-10, I Timothy 1:10, Jude 7..........

This is where the argument comes in that it is Paul that hates homosexuality......
 
#115
#115
rjd970 said:
I agree, but all reigious texts are not created equal. I think the Qu'ran is significantly more violent than anything in the Bible. The fact still remains though a good person will disregard the nonsense and focus on the good parts. I'm still convinced, bad people will be bad and good people will be good, regardless of what the text actually says.
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I knew you had it in ya' RJD, as your posts generally apply fairness and reason (even though I may disagree with the logic)... I can only assume that IP is just tryin' to stir the pot because I fail to follow his line of thought.
 
#116
#116
IPorange said:
I'm bringing up the old testament because Christians always try and distance themselves from it when it is really looked at, and yet draw some of their core beliefs solely from it. You can't have it both ways.
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Distance or view it as a history book?

What core beliefs come from the old testament?
 
#117
#117
OrangeEmpire said:

Romans 1:21-28, I Corinthians 6:9-10, I Timothy 1:10, Jude 7..........

This is where the argument comes in that it is Paul that hates homosexuality......
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Good thing no one really listened to him on his personal beliefs about marriage...
 
#118
#118
IBlvNTmWrk said:
I knew you had it in ya' RJD, as your posts generally apply fairness and reason (even though I may disagree with the logic)... I can only assume that IP is just tryin' to stir the pot because I fail to follow his line of thought.
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Look a little closer to his posts..... IP is solid......

:eek:k:
 
#120
#120
IPorange said:
I'm bringing up the old testament because Christians always try and distance themselves from it when it is really looked at, and yet draw some of their core beliefs solely from it. You can't have it both ways.
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so you think the jews are just as violent too?
 
#122
#122
IBlvNTmWrk said:
Are you guys capable of admitting you're off base?

IP is now back to bringing up the old testament and RJD your statement is nothing more than generalities.
I've never said there is not good included in both sources, but it is without question that the Qur'an actively promotes violence whereas Christianity is based primarily on love and forgiveness. They could not be more different in this aspect whether you believe in a Supreme Being or not. Taken strictly on literature, they are more opposite than similar.
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That is rich considering what alot of the pious regularly do on here.
 
#123
#123
IPorange said:
I'm bringing up the old testament because Christians always try and distance themselves from it when it is really looked at, and yet draw some of their core beliefs solely from it. You can't have it both ways.
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Someone (cough, cough) was complaining earlier that Christians try to group all Muslims as being the same...

I'm sure you meant to use the words "some" or "sometimes" in your sentence above.
 
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