Fox "News" is Crap

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MG1968 said:
then I can rule out ever having a serious and rational conversation with you because I have never been convinced that global warming is anything other than a natural cycle and that mankind's activities are having a negligible impact.
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It was not too many years ago, that the "climate experts" were prdicting the next ice age.
 
#227
#227
You can make a great case againts global warming also. Just because I am a dem. does not mean I believe in GW.
 
#228
#228
Set an ice cube outside and say look its all there. Come back and hour later and say see Global warming.
 
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#229
You have your opinion and I have mine. Climate change, the continual warming and cooling of the earth over millenia, is natural and cyclical. However, the human industrial impact on the earth is anything but natural. When humans have created weapons that can wipe out an entire country and devastate land, air, and water for years (ie chemical/nuclear weapons), its a bit naive to think that we have a "negligible impact" on earth with all of our other activities. Look at Chernobyl. When you follow the science through, its common sense.

But I don't mean to sound as though I consider anyone who disagrees with me an idiot. Apologize if it came off that way. Recently watched Idiocracy and I am a bit more defensive of my viewpoints than usual.
 
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defaultusername said:
You have your opinion and I have mine. Climate change, the continual warming and cooling of the earth over millenia, is natural and cyclical. However, the human industrial impact on the earth is anything but natural. When humans have created weapons that can wipe out an entire country and devastate land, air, and water for years (ie chemical/nuclear weapons), its a bit naive to think that we have a "negligible impact" on earth with all of our other activities. Look at Chernobyl. When you follow the science through, its common sense.

But I don't mean to sound as though I consider anyone who disagrees with me an idiot. Apologize if it came off that way. Recently watched Idiocracy and I am a bit more defensive of my viewpoints than usual.
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Ice age, volcanos, storms, tornados, hurricanes, meteors, fires, earth quakes,>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>car exhaust
 
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lawgator1 said:
Come on guys, even those of you on the right have to admit that Fox News is not news -- its just a Republican-based Bush apologist network.

I look and see on this site repeatedly "news stories" that are taken from Fox and which are obviously written to embarass or criticize the Democrat they are based on. They routinely overstate or quote out of context, and its all to advance a conservative agenda.

You may think there is a subtle liberal media bias in the other networks, but Fox is just blatant about it.

Fair and balanced? What a joke!
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do you have examples?
 
#237
#237
the fact is if global warming is anywhere near as bad as all gore says it is we are already screwed and nothing we can do sans shutting down all industry and forcing the rest of the world to shut everything down would reverse the effects. anyway hasn't the earth actually cooled in the last 5 years?
 
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joevol320 said:
that's original. poor libs, you have 3 major networks, 3 cable networks and most newspapers on your side and you gripe about small foxnews. what a joke.
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just the fact fox has that wackjob liberal USC prof on the network all the time tells you they aren't completely biased. what's that womans name? you know the one who sounds like she smokes 50 packs a day.
 
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#240
So....what we are really saying is that the use of roll on deodorant has caused the hole in the ozone to close therefore trapping more deadly carbon emissions over the last 20 years.
 
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defaultusername said:
I find it difficult to have any kind of serious, rational conversation with anyone who neglects the seriousness of global warming. The line of thinking is not too far removed from "The World is Flat" and "The Sun Revolves Around Us."

And FoxNews is terrible. And George Stephanopolous is not too far behind.
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I have a hard time even reading this sort of commentary from anyone. Sounds eerily like the absurdity that would flow from the "it's settled science" crowd. Funny that the entire group has a huge financial stake in their assertions and that not a single one of them can boil anything down to a sensible explanation of the issues.

Everything continues to get bogged down in the limitations of modeling or the limitations of available data or the problem we're having with the current cooling trend.

If it's OK with you, I'm good with the flat earth as the center of the universe until a brainiac such as yourself can put together a plausible reason as to why I should think otherwise.
 
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#242
I was flipping through channels this morning and caught that Fox morning show, the one with the two guys and the girl, chatting about the day's news.

So they started with about ten seconds of remarks about the McCain adviser who made the comment to Fortune Magazine about how a terrorist attack in the U.S. between now and the elction would help McCain's candidacy.

They then spent about five minutes showing a clip of Hillary making a remark in February about how a terrorist attack would help the Republicans. And they put up a banner about whether the media is being fair since it did not criticize Clinton for making the same comment that the McCain adviser did.

Now, I give McCain credit for yesterday disavowing the comment. He did the right thing. And the adviser I believe has since apologized. As far as I'm concerned, its water under the bridge.

Anyone in his right mind would realize both that a terrorist attack would probably result in somw voters being more attratced ot a strong military candidate but also that there is no way that McCain is rooting for an attack. That's just silly.

But this Fox News discussion about Hillary's remark was just vomitous in its illogic precisely because the original story was about whether anyone would actively root for an attack for political purposes. Clinton making her observation was not even remotely like the adviser for the candidate who would be helped making the remark.

That is why McCain condemned it and the adviser apologized. And yet Fox News took it as an opportunity to just throw some more dirt at Hillary and the media. And they did it in a way that was utterly and completely nonsensical.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I was flipping through channels this morning and caught that Fox morning show, the one with the two guys and the girl, chatting about the day's news.

So they started with about ten seconds of remarks about the McCain adviser who made the comment to Fortune Magazine about how a terrorist attack in the U.S. between now and the elction would help McCain's candidacy.

They then spent about five minutes showing a clip of Hillary making a remark in February about how a terrorist attack would help the Republicans. And they put up a banner about whether the media is being fair since it did not criticize Clinton for making the same comment that the McCain adviser did.

Now, I give McCain credit for yesterday disavowing the comment. He did the right thing. And the adviser I believe has since apologized. As far as I'm concerned, its water under the bridge.

Anyone in his right mind would realize both that a terrorist attack would probably result in somw voters being more attratced ot a strong military candidate but also that there is no way that McCain is rooting for an attack. That's just silly.

But this Fox News discussion about Hillary's remark was just vomitous in its illogic precisely because the original story was about whether anyone would actively root for an attack for political purposes. Clinton making her observation was not even remotely like the adviser for the candidate who would be helped making the remark.

That is why McCain condemned it and the adviser apologized. And yet Fox News took it as an opportunity to just throw some more dirt at Hillary and the media. And they did it in a way that was utterly and completely nonsensical.
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FEEL BETTER?
 
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#244
LG, "The View" on ABC is just as vomitous in it's discussion of various issues. Granted, there is no liberal foil on the FNC morning show like Elizabeth Hasselbeck is for ABC, but you keep pointing to the wrong shows.

Some folks have their problems with Chris Wallace and Brit Hume, but their respective shows are excellent examples of actual news programs.
 
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#245
Fox had Bob Beckel there to give the opinion of the left as they always try to do.
Trouble is, they have problems getting peolpe from the left to come on and comment.
 
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T-TownVol said:
FEEL BETTER?
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I felt it appropo in the sense of bringing the discussion back to the original topic.

You know, the thing is I am not nearly as liberal as one might think. I am not sold on global warming. Like BigPapa, I am disturbed by how absolutist people can be on both sides of the issue. Given the stakes, I would like to think that people would have a broader perspective than just attacking the other side and defending their own egos. And that goes for both those who believe in it and those who debunk it.

I favor tighter government budgets, lower taxes, a strong military (though I wish we'd get back to speaking softly and carrying the big stick and get entirely away from nation building -- if we go to war we go totally), firmer discipline in schools, an honest debate about race and profiling (staying away from political correctness), and more police presence in the bad areas of town.

It just irks me to no end when an outfit like Fox presses their agenda and its does so in such an intellectually bankrupt way. Why can't I be moderate but loathe the mouthpiece of the non-thinking right or left?
 
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#247
lawgator1 said:
I was flipping through channels this morning and caught that Fox morning show, the one with the two guys and the girl, chatting about the day's news.

So they started with about ten seconds of remarks about the McCain adviser who made the comment to Fortune Magazine about how a terrorist attack in the U.S. between now and the elction would help McCain's candidacy.

They then spent about five minutes showing a clip of Hillary making a remark in February about how a terrorist attack would help the Republicans. And they put up a banner about whether the media is being fair since it did not criticize Clinton for making the same comment that the McCain adviser did.

Now, I give McCain credit for yesterday disavowing the comment. He did the right thing. And the adviser I believe has since apologized. As far as I'm concerned, its water under the bridge.

Anyone in his right mind would realize both that a terrorist attack would probably result in somw voters being more attratced ot a strong military candidate but also that there is no way that McCain is rooting for an attack. That's just silly.

But this Fox News discussion about Hillary's remark was just vomitous in its illogic precisely because the original story was about whether anyone would actively root for an attack for political purposes. Clinton making her observation was not even remotely like the adviser for the candidate who would be helped making the remark.

That is why McCain condemned it and the adviser apologized. And yet Fox News took it as an opportunity to just throw some more dirt at Hillary and the media. And they did it in a way that was utterly and completely nonsensical.
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are you under the impression that I couldn't watch any of the three networks, who truly operate under the guise of news, and make a similar commentary from the other vantage point, every single day?

If you are, you're kidding yourself. FOX is doing nothing new. They took their schtick from the networks and simply tried the other direction. It's old hat, just from a viewpoint to which you do not subscribe.
 
#248
#248
Fox has no problem getting left leaning viewpoints.

Bob Beckel, Kirsten Powers, Ed Rendell, Al Sharpton, Malik Shabazz, Mara Liasson, Juan Williams, Mort Kondracke, Geraldo Rivera, and a host of others all appear on FNC on a regular basis.
 
#249
#249
lawgator1 said:
I felt it appropo in the sense of bringing the discussion back to the original topic.

You know, the thing is I am not nearly as liberal as one might think. I am not sold on global warming. Like BigPapa, I am disturbed by how absolutist people can be on both sides of the issue. Given the stakes, I would like to think that people would have a broader perspective than just attacking the other side and defending their own egos. And that goes for both those who believe in it and those who debunk it.

I favor tighter government budgets, lower taxes, a strong military (though I wish we'd get back to speaking softly and carrying the big stick and get entirely away from nation building -- if we go to war we go totally), firmer discipline in schools, an honest debate about race and profiling (staying away from political correctness), and more police presence in the bad areas of town.

It just irks me to no end when an outfit like Fox presses their agenda and its does so in such an intellectually bankrupt way. Why can't I be moderate but loathe the mouthpiece of the non-thinking right or left?
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Great first paragraph.
 
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droski said:
just the fact fox has that wackjob liberal USC prof on the network all the time tells you they aren't completely biased. what's that womans name? you know the one who sounds like she smokes 50 packs a day.
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i know who your talking about. she sounds like Charlie Rangal. she's just as whacky and Rangal.
 
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