Freeze and Dabo negative religious recruit UT

Again, let's leave that rumor out of this moving forward.

Why are you so very, very adamantly defending the head coach of an opposing school? I understand you doing so in the interest of not spreading what may or may not be rumors, I get that.

But thread to thread, endlessly and vehemently you defend Ole Miss and Freeze.

What amount of evidence or in this case "coincidence" would be enough to convince you that maybe, just maybe, Freeze is not who he seems. At every turn you offer an alternative assertion and declare that anything other than positive spin on him is all here say and baseless.

-Greg Little tells other recruits he was offered $200k to play for OM and his family could be moved to Oxford.

-Stringfellow (top 100 player in his class) literally signs with Nebraska and suddenly flips to OM after 1 visit

-signing the #1 player at their position at multiple position for multiple years from different states that traditionally have no ties to OM

-parents of players living in Oxford in nice homes without jobs

-the entire Tunsil situation

-highly rated recruits flipping at the LAST second to OM with no known contact or visits to the school prior

-similarities in situations, Jonathan Kongbo/CeCe Jefferson both suddenly catch OM's eye late and their parents refuse to sign their LOI for any school other than OM at first.

You may actually just be playing the devil's advocate, but I say where there's smoke there's fire, and if you choose to believe nothing is going on and Freeze is who he says he is, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I think ole miss is a dirty program and always has been

I don think the NCAA has enough to hurt them at all in this case


I think freeze is a good man that has very little to so with Anything of the "dirty" part of the program


I have discussed this in great detail here and a few post about it in 1 other thread where the topic was brought up. I will continue to discuss the topic wherever it's brought upz
 
Thank you for the kind and thoughtful response. The basic gist I get is you (and science) lack proof of reproductive evolution, yet you believe (and science theorizes) it happened. I lack proof (scientific, as I required of you) of a loving God but I still believe He exists. So, we (and everyone else on earth) all have faith in something. Yours is in science, mine in God and his son Jesus.

You have not been condescending in your discussion, and I appreciate that. All too often, however, those who argue your position do so from a stance of intellectual superiority because they have "Science!" and all we unenlightened dullards have is faith. Truth is, we all just have faith.

I apologize to you for those on here who are guilty of what far too often happens on my side - arguing from a stance of moral superiority. I'm just an old sinner saved by grace. My hope is someday you will be, too. Realizing you already have faith might be a first step.

AV

Both of these statements are so true, and one of the reasons that these debates can get heated. Acting superior to someone because of their beliefs is very immature and all to often infuriating.

That is the reason I pointed out (as you have also just pointed out) that VnB has acted very benevolent in his discussions. And, honestly, that is a breath of fresh air when it comes to these types of debates.

Your response is very mature as well. I don't know about you, but I did not expect AnB's response to your original comment. I could definitely get out some popcorn and listen to you guys for awhile! Very entertaining, and enlightening!
 
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So as to be clear, I was referring to any science book that referenced life on Earth beginning within a million years. I don't want this to be misconstrued as an attack on anyone's holy book.

Lol, no, I wouldn't want anyone to think you were attacking their beliefs.
 
Curiously enough, of all the people I know (including family, friends, colleagues, etc.) I only know of about eight atheists. I'm an introvert, but I still know enough people to make that a small percentage. I've never really thought about it, but the few times I have run into a fellow nonbeliever it's kind of like meeting another native English speaker in a foreign country (I have traveled a lot). You talk for a bit, share stories, maybe have a few beers, then go back to trying to communicate with your hosts. I suppose it's like that with any group we find ourselves in.

I also wonder if my daughter's Catholic school found out that one of their most successful first grade soccer coaches was an atheist what they would do. I don't hide it, but in soccer, the topic doesn't come up. Maybe that's how it should be with college football as well. As a coach you answer questions honestly, but don't push an agenda that's not program related (in this case I'm talking about being more religious than the next guy).
Your first post or two came off condescending and disrespectful. Sort of "I'm an atheist thus I am smarter than you". I accept your apology and take it as genuine.

I will say this, we both are taking our positions based on faith. By your own admission stating "the current thought" suggest theory and a changing one at that. But I respect your right to believe this world we inhabit, that we as humans beings, the only truly intelligent life forms, is a great big anomaly. An accident that based on science is not present anywhere else in the visible universe. I, for the life of me can't come to terms with those odds.

Anyway, thanks for the discussion.
 
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Sorry about that. I tried to read the whole thread, but obviously I failed. I still stand by what I wrote.

By the way, I would happy to share some beers with you. I must be like Peyton- I am Christian but do drink beer. Unlike Peyton, I stay away from Budweiser. I have gotten into craft beer, so we do share something in common.

Ha! That was the most disappointing thing I've ever heard Peyton say. I believe I almost spit out my Bell's Hopslam when he said that (twice).
 
Your first post or two came off condescending and disrespectful. Sort of "I'm an atheist thus I am smarter than you". I accept your apology and take it as genuine.

I will say this, we both are taking our positions based on faith. By your own admission stating "the current thought" suggest theory and a changing one at that. But I respect your right to believe this world we inhabit, that we as humans being the only truly intelligent life forms, is a great big anomaly. An accident that based on science is not present anywhere else in the visible universe. I, for the life of me can't come to terms with those odds.

Anyway, thanks for the discussion.

Great post InVol.
 
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But I respect your right to believe this world we inhabit, that we as humans beings, the only truly intelligent life forms, is a great big anomaly. An accident that based on science is not present anywhere else in the visible universe. I, for the life of me can't come to terms with those odds.

Anyway, thanks for the discussion.

On the contrary, the odds favor us. One hundred billion stars in our galaxy and hundreds of billions of galaxies all with the same ingredients mixing together for 15 billion years. It was bound to happen somewhere and, actually, more than one somewhere. We just haven't found the other yet.

I can understand all of that, I just can't wrap my mind around how we lost to Florida this year. That truly required supernatural influence.
 
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I think ole miss is a dirty program and always has been

I don think the NCAA has enough to hurt them at all in this case


I think freeze is a good man that has very little to so with Anything of the "dirty" part of the program


I have discussed this in great detail here and a few post about it in 1 other thread where the topic was brought up. I will continue to discuss the topic wherever it's brought upz

They do as it pertains to the Laremy Tunsil issues. Whether or not the NCAA invokes sanctions is up in the air. We'll see. As for Freeze not having anything to do with them being 'dirty', you're giving him the benefit of some doubt on that. As it stands now, Ole Miss has been accused of violations (including a level I) that occurred on his watch. Ignorance should not be a viable excuse but it will no doubt be used.
 
On the contrary, the odds favor us. One hundred billion stars in our galaxy and hundreds of billions of galaxies all with the same ingredients mixing together for 15 billion years. It was bound to happen somewhere and, actually, more than one somewhere. We just haven't found the other yet.

I can understand all of that, I just can't wrap my mind around how we lost to Florida this year. That truly required supernatural influence.
The football Gods were definitely against us.
 
Ha! That was the most disappointing thing I've ever heard Peyton say. I believe I almost spit out my Bell's Hopslam when he said that (twice).

Ironic. I just got a 6 pack of Hopslam and haven't tried it yet. There is limited distribution down here, so we were limited to just one pack at my local store.
 
Why? His quote was "If I were you I'd take the book you're reading and throw it out the window."

I think I can read whatever book I want to just as he has the same right. I agree that his commentary is good, but it doesn't mean that I believe it.

Many of you that are against "religion" are just throwing out so many generalities (like TOP). Christianity is a way of life, and one that I want my kids to follow if they so choose. It doesn't mean that I look down on anyone. I respect other people for not believing because my religion actually tells me to do so. We believe in free thinkers, we believe in science, we believe in medicine, but we also believe in a Creator who leads us to follow his son who lived as flesh on this planet.

Maybe you have had bad experiences with other Christians, and I am sorry for that. But, please don't tell us what we should believe.

He wasn't talking about the Bible man.

No one is telling you what you should believe here. I agree that those type of people are out there, in hordes, but I haven't seen it on this thread. So take that crap elsewhere and spend your energy arguing about that with them.

As for your statement between the bold content, I agree with you 100%. Christianity is a way of life and I commend anyone who can live their life the way that you just described. I've been stuck in the middle of mud-slinging religious debates between friends and loved ones, and they are sickening, from both sides. The world would be a better place if everyone had your outlook.

Anyways, I am with VnB here, Bama Sucks!
 
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Ironic. I just got a 6 pack of Hopslam and haven't tried it yet. There is limited distribution down here, so we were limited to just one pack at my local store.

I love it. My neighbor buys up everything Kroger gets (it's limited here too) as soon as he can. He then trades the rest of us on the street until he has to restock.

Vol fan - check
Good beer fan - check

You're good in my book.
 
On the contrary, the odds favor us. One hundred billion stars in our galaxy and hundreds of billions of galaxies all with the same ingredients mixing together for 15 billion years. It was bound to happen somewhere and, actually, more than one somewhere. We just haven't found the other yet.

I can understand all of that, I just can't wrap my mind around how we lost to Florida this year. That truly required supernatural influence.

I think the hardest thing to comprehend for some people is that the odds are slim that there's life in the universe other than ours, and since they're so small it means we're here intentionally. It's like when you hear about someone having a rare skin condition that impacts 1 out of 3 billion. It seems impossible for you to have it unless you have it. And then you say "why me" that's kind of what you're dealing with here.

As someone who doesn't follow a religion I went through a "I can't believe they lied to me, I'm going to tell everyone" phase. But the longer you live with it the more you realize it's not important as long as we all treat each other with respect. So if you want to open people's eyes just remember they want to open your eyes to their view just as bad.

I politely listen and politely decline their offer to share the same view unless I truly do agree and believe the same. Basically be good person and religion wont matter.
 
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He wasn't talking about the Bible man.

No one is telling you what you should believe here. I agree that those type of people are out there, in hordes, but I haven't seen it on this thread. So take that crap elsewhere and spend your energy arguing about that with them.

As for your statement between the bold content, I agree with you 100%. Christianity is a way of life and I commend anyone who can live their life the way that you just described. I've been stuck in the middle of mud-slinging religious debates between friends and loved ones, and they are sickening, from both sides. The world would be a better place if everyone had your outlook.

Anyways, I am with VnB here, Bama Sucks!

I believe I apologized about that mistake. I am going to refrain from typing anything else because you seem pretty upset about that "crap."

I really am an easy guy to get along with.
 
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Actually, the latest ideas have life, as single cells on this planet go, to have originated in the 1-3 billion year range (depending on what you read). There are very reasonable explanations for what happened in the interim. One that I like is that during that period of planetary bombardment, some of this early life was dislodged from this planet and found its way back at a later time aboard the debris along with the water it needed to grow.

Hell, the oldest hominids have been around for a few million years. Life itself goes back much further. If I were you I'd take the book you're reading and throw it out the window.

I will say this, there is ample evidence to suggest that if there is a "creator" that that being is, in turn, the worst engineer/doctor/etc. that man has ever known.
Not to mention being a egomaniacal, narcissistic, totalitarian dictator of such awe-inspiring levels that it would put Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Hirohito combined to shame.

I mean why would the perfect, omniscient, omnipotent creator and ruler of everything create an imperfect universe full of so much needless pain, suffering, chaos and destruction?

Disclaimer: Not trying to force anything on anyone or condemn anyone's belief system. I'm just saying folks, never be afraid to question any and everything.
 
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I think the hardest thing to comprehend for some people is that the odds are slim that there's life in the universe other than ours, and since they're so small it means we're here intentionally. .

I agree with everything else you said 100% except this part. The frustrating thing about the odds is that there really should be other life forms. We're just having trouble finding it (though we're getting much better at looking).
There's a real thing called the Fermi Paradox that states something along the lines of "if there is other life in the universe the odds are that we would have already found it, or vice versa, by now." I have a hard time with that due to the expanse of the universe. Some now are saying that it could have been possible for another life to have found our planet before complex life had formed and that species could have died before we evolved. Still I would have expected to have found artifacts in that case.

Anyway, I love this stuff and am probably boring the saban out of you. Ultimately, I agree with not treating each other badly.
 
I wonder how Swain knows this? It seems like he just grabbed a random thought he had and said it on the air.

Whether you like Swain or not, he has many contacts at the UTAD in current and former players and coaches.
He knows where the bodies are buried.
He often says that he knows a whole lot more about what goes on at UT and that he will not betray confidences.
If he puts something out there, it's because he probably had quite a few credible sources.
I know he is no fan of Coach Freeze and his recruiting methods.
 
Whether you like Swain or not, he has many contacts at the UTAD in current and former players and coaches.
He knows where the bodies are buried.
He often says that he knows a whole lot more about what goes on at UT and that he will not betray confidences.
If he puts something out there, it's because he probably had quite a few credible sources.
I know he is no fan of Coach Freeze and his recruiting methods.

Are you talking about the University of Tennessee Anthropological Research Facility near UT Medical Center off of Alcoa Hwy where decomposition is studied? I know where that is too.
 

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