Freeze and Dabo negative religious recruit UT

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Vol'n'beers said:
I agree with everything else you said 100% except this part. The frustrating thing about the odds is that there really should be other life forms. We're just having trouble finding it (though we're getting much better at looking).
There's a real thing called the Fermi Paradox that states something along the lines of "if there is other life in the universe the odds are that we would have already found it, or vice versa, by now." I have a hard time with that due to the expanse of the universe. Some now are saying that it could have been possible for another life to have found our planet before complex life had formed and that species could have died before we evolved. Still I would have expected to have found artifacts in that case.

Anyway, I love this stuff and am probably boring the saban out of you. Ultimately, I agree with not treating each other badly.
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Yep. I remember Neil DeGrasse Tyson saying that people who claim there is no other life in the universe based upon the fact that we haven't found any is akin to someone scooping a cup of water out of the ocean and then claiming that there is no life in the ocean. Our sample size is so small because the universe is so incomprehensibly massive.
 
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JDisThereThere said:
Yep. I remember Neil DeGrasse Tyson saying that people who claim there is no other life in the universe based upon the fact that we haven't found any is akin to someone scooping a cup of water out of the ocean and then claiming that there is no life in the ocean. Our sample size is so small because the universe is so incomprehensibly massive.
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I don't think anyone here has claimed life doesn't exist outside of earth. Could be wrong cause I haven't read all the posts.

I think that there's been arguments for the existence of a creator which I believe there is sufficient evidence for.

I believe there is a creator and that life has purpose. Furthermore I believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
 
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TOP said:
Mainly because there is no such thing as hell. It was a scare tactic to control people after they've grown up and are no longer a gullible kid with parents telling them what to do. It's called indoctrination. If money is the root of all evil, it's funny that churches have more of it than anyone. You'd think every single penny would be put back into the community but it's not. Why do you think popes used to be allowed to marry? There was never a rule against it originally. They added it so popes in the future wouldn't marry only to leave their wealth and prized gifts to their family when they pass. Now it goes back to the corrupt church that hides fleeing pedophiles.

Former priests have come out and how churches would blast the furnaces to make it nice and toasty as they scared people with their imaginary talks of hell. Anyone with a brain should come to the conclusion that if God is so loving and forgiving, burning someone for eternity would not only be the opposite of loving and forgiving but that God being almighty could have used his divine power to make them not awful people. I've also never figured out if God gave us free will to decide whether we go to heave/hell or if God has a plan for us all like so many religious followers like to spout. I guess God knowingly sent people to earth that were destined for hell. Nice God... would have been nicer if he didn't bring them in existence at all. Would have definitely been more compassionate than banishing them to hell for eternity.

Sucks for the people born into non-christian families and countries where christianity is practice by few. I guess a lot of muslims are going to hell by default for being born to the wrong family on the wrong side of the planet. Not that their actions and beliefs aren't hell worthy regardless of the fact they're not christian. If muslims truly follow their made up scripture, it leads them to killing non-believers. Christians on the other hand just threaten you. Isn't that what hell is? A threat.

If everyone was gullible enough to sit around waiting for the end of times and a prophet to appear, technology would be non-existent. Those same people would have had the mindset to burn people for being witches all because they produced technology they didn't understand. Sad that being dumb allows a cult.ure of people to blindly follow an imaginary entity with the threat of an imaginary hell as people are ripped off and used. Hell is nothing but a scare tactic to manipulate people. And if it's not, sounds like God is a pretty terrible whatever. Sending people to hell for eternity and smiting people. If that's the guy running heaven, maybe hell would be the better home. Would also explain why Lucifer wanted to put a stop to God killing people and torturing them permanently.

Dwindling In Unbelief: Who has killed more, Satan or God?
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Jesus talks about hell more than anyone else in Scripture so I guess He was just lying per your diatribe above. Hmmm, that seems so counter to His nature...
 
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JDisThereThere said:
Not to mention being a egomaniacal, narcissistic, totalitarian dictator of such awe-inspiring levels that it would put Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Hirohito combined to shame.

I mean why would the perfect, omniscient, omnipotent creator and ruler of everything create an imperfect universe full of so much needless pain, suffering, chaos and destruction?

Disclaimer: Not trying to force anything on anyone or condemn anyone's belief system. I'm just saying folks, never be afraid to question any and everything.
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He didn't. Read Gen 1-3.
 
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CroKev said:
He didn't. Read Gen 1-3.
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So are you saying the universe is perfect? Because I don't really see how anyone could say it is.

Are you saying that it was created perfect and then became imperfect simply because Adam and Eve sinned, which was God's fault anyway?
 
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CroKev said:
Jesus talks about hell more than anyone else in Scripture so I guess He was just lying per your diatribe above. Hmmm, that seems so counter to His nature...
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You can't really use bible verses to try and prove an atheist wrong. To them, what "Jesus" says holds no more value than what a unicorn says.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
They do as it pertains to the Laremy Tunsil issues. Whether or not the NCAA invokes sanctions is up in the air. We'll see. As for Freeze not having anything to do with them being 'dirty', you're giving him the benefit of some doubt on that. As it stands now, Ole Miss has been accused of violations (including a level I) that occurred on his watch. Ignorance should not be a viable excuse but it will no doubt be used.
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I agree that ignorance won't be an excuse to completely let freeze off the hook

IMO there is a huge difference in NCAA infractions when the acts were created by boosters and assistant coaches. If ole miss assistants coaches committed level 1 infractions freeze will pay a sharp price for that and rightfully so.

If it's the same renegade boosters that have been operating in a dirty way for years and years freeze gets a slap on the wrist and that's appropriate IMO
 
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BigOrange15 said:
You can't really use bible verses to try and prove an atheist wrong. To them, what "Jesus" says holds no more value than what a unicorn says.
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Well, Jesus of Nazareth was a man, he did exist, and he did die on a cross. Who he was and why he died is the discussion.
 
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Coach_Z said:
Well, Jesus of Nazareth was a man, he did exist, and he did die on a cross. Who he was and why he died is the discussion.
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Care to provide evidence of that from a source other than the bible? Outside of the bible there is almost no first hand accounts or records of Jesus. Seems kinda odd for someone who supposedly worked so many miracles that all the books in the world combined together couldn't hold them. And I don't say this to anger anyone, I spent the better part of my life in a Christian household, and going to church three plus times a week.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Care to provide evidence of that from a source other than the bible? Outside of the bible there is almost no first hand accounts or records of Jesus. Seems kinda odd for someone who supposedly worked so many miracles that all the books in the world combined together couldn't hold them. And I don't say this to anger anyone, I spent the better part of my life in a Christian household, and going to church three plus times a week.
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I have no idea where you are getting this but you are off base. Jesus is almost universally accepted by scholars as a historical figure.
 
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Vfl2407 said:
Swain this morning saying that all schools that recruit against Vols are using the Title Nine lawsuit story against us.
Saying that Hugh Freeze and Dabo Swinney, who heavily emphasize religion in their recruiting, will really jump on Vols about not having a Christian family values culture like Ole Miss and Clemson have.
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pfft
 
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Vol'n'beers said:
Actually, the latest ideas have life, as single cells on this planet go, to have originated in the 1-3 billion year range (depending on what you read). There are very reasonable explanations for what happened in the interim. One that I like is that during that period of planetary bombardment, some of this early life was dislodged from this planet and found its way back at a later time aboard the debris along with the water it needed to grow.

Hell, the oldest hominids have been around for a few million years. Life itself goes back much further. If I were you I'd take the book you're reading and throw it out the window.

I will say this, there is ample evidence to suggest that if there is a "creator" that that being is, in turn, the worst engineer/doctor/etc. that man has ever known.
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Well dont veil an attempt to call others ignorant and feign intellectual superiority based on world view. you could read something, The constitution and its ideas concerning free speech and religion.

I was reading a book this morning- I had just received it from Amazon. Written by Peter Collier. "A Most Incomprehensible Thing".. an introduction to the mathematics of relativity. Strangely enough, whilst reading a news flash on the tv stated Ligo had found direct evidence of gravitational waves, confirming Einsteins last unproven prediction almost exactly 100 years prior. The rest mass of the theorized graviton? 10^-55. Thats a decimal point with 55 zeroes before you see 1 thru 9. Considering there are only around 10^ 80 atoms in the universe, thats pretty darn fine tuned if you ask me. And that is one of the least fine tuned of more than 20 laws and constants of physics, any one of which, were they changed by the tiniest fraction, we would not be here.

since your interested in my reading habits, last week i reread Atlas Shrugged, the week before it was Signature of the Cell, and the week before was Black Flags... a book about ISIS and Islamist extremism.

So I may not be well rounded enough to converse with, that may be true. I would ask that you permit me and my worldview to exist here peacefully. As you can see I am doing my utmost to cure my own ignorance. And can you really blame a poor fool who has simply been less enlightened than you, and that his path has been incongruous with yours?
 
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Vol'n'beers said:
Are we talking My Little Pony unicorns or the movie Legend unicorns? It matters.
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Totally off subject but I owe you a huge thanks.

I saw a pic of the devil (?) from Legend a couple of weeks back. But the name of the movie had escaped and irked me endlessly. Just one of those little things that bother you more than it should. Anyway, thanks.

Now back to a malicious debate over the origins of the universe, brought to you by VolNation. Carry on.
 
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SECVolFan said:
That may be, but that doesn't make his "atheist stick together, that's for sure" comment any less snobbish.
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How is that snobbish? You jumped in to defend your atheist brother. Is that not sticking together? If you'd have said the same about me and my Christian brothers I'd have thanked you for your compliment.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Not saying he didn't exist. But there's very little proof the biblical version of Jesus existed.
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volfan_89 said:
Care to provide evidence of that from a source other than the bible? Outside of the bible there is almost no first hand accounts or records of Jesus. Seems kinda odd for someone who supposedly worked so many miracles that all the books in the world combined together couldn't hold them. And I don't say this to anger anyone, I spent the better part of my life in a Christian household, and going to church three plus times a week.
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You implied that he did not exist. In fact, that was the basic idea behind this post I quoted.

I pointed out that most scholars would conclude that you are wrong and now you are checking Wikipedia looking for help and thats when you decided to go the King Arthur route. One post later you've realized that dog didn't hunt and now you've changed your position.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
You implied that he did not exist. In fact, that was the basic idea behind this post I quoted.

I pointed out that most scholars would conclude that you are wrong and now you are checking Wikipedia looking for help and thats when you decided to go the King Arthur route. One post later you've realized that dog didn't hunt and now you've changed your position.
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Putting words in my mouth bruh. I never implied that Jesus didn't exist, just that outside of the bible, there's almost no first hand accounts of him. My first post still stands. You'd think that someone who worked so many miracles and had thousands upon thousands coming to see him, hear him speak and work his miracles there'd be more evidence of it.
 
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volfan_89 said:
Putting words in my mouth bruh. I never implied that Jesus didn't exist, just that outside of the bible, there's almost no first hand accounts of him. My first post still stands. You'd think that someone who worked so many miracles and had thousands upon thousands coming to see him and hear him speak and work his miracles there'd be more evidence of it.
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You 100% posted that there Was very little proof other than the Bible that a Jesus of Nazareth every existed in any form.
 
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