Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

[GmanTN]

Cutcliffe never stated he never should have left to the best of memory, please provide that link. I cannot see a OC saying he should have never left for a HC as being a mistake. It sure did not take Cut long to make that same mistake again, once again your attempt to discredit facts as flaws is useless.

 

[justingroves]

We're talking about loyalty and being fired for a BS reason. Based on the numbers I provided, Paterno would've been run off from Tennessee if he was coaching here. I'm not arguing whether or not he is better, but based on the numbers, and the powerhouse that is the SEC when Fulmer was coaching, it was crap he was fired. And now we get to deal with the god-awful performances we've seen since then. And again, I am a Dooley fan and want him to be here a long time.

Paterno built Penn State from a cow college to what it is today.

Fulmer took over a talented team with a storied history.

They aren't comparable, at all.

 

[justingroves]

The only difference between Fulmer and 95 percent of college football coaches is being a Hall of Famer. -- Cutcliffe is a great offensive co-ordinator. As was Phil Fulmer. Fulmer easily outshines Cut as a head coach however. Cut and Chavis both are a huge part of our past success. They both deserve credit. Fulmer never fired either one, so apparently he knew it too. -- The 2nd thing Cut noticed when he got back was that he never should have left. -- Trying to separate years is one (of many) things the Fulmer haters mistakenly do that is not needed and which inherently flaws their argument. A career is best judged in it's totality, not in mere snippets. Sort of like it was yesterday. :salute:

Hayden Fry, Jim Donnan and RC Slocum are HOF'ers. You don't have to add HOF to Fulmer to prop him up, his resume speaks for itself.

On the other hand, you can't say mention that resume without looking at how his career ended.

 

[whobethis16]

The only difference between 2005 5-7, 2006 9-4, 2007 10-4 and 2008 5-7 was David Cutcliffe. So many Fulmerites fail to accept the fact that if Cut had not come back for the 06-07 seasons Phil could have had losing seasons his last 4 years.

The first thing Cut noticed upon his return was lack of talent and depth on the OL, the lack of talent was a direct result of Phil concentrating more as an OC because he never trusted Sanders and less time at recruiting linemen which was his strong suit.

Remember the 2009 season? we started walk-ons and Freshmen OL, because we had no one else!

That's what happens when you fire a Hall of Fame coach. People leave, recruits de-commit, etc. That's a completely irrelevant argument. What did the General say, "A head coach is only as good as his assistants"? Exactly. *****ing and moaning about how Fulmer was only good because of his assistants is completely hypocritical if you hold Neyland to such a high standard.

 

[justingroves]

That's what happens when you fire a Hall of Fame coach. People leave, recruits de-commit, etc. That's a completely irrelevant argument. What did the General say, "A head coach is only as good as his assistants"? Exactly. *****ing and moaning about how Fulmer was only good because of his assistants is completely hypocritical if you hold Neyland to such a high standard.

Fulmer was responsible for hiring God awful assistants.

 

[GmanTN]

That's what happens when you fire a Hall of Fame coach. People leave, recruits de-commit, etc. That's a completely irrelevant argument. What did the General say, "A head coach is only as good as his assistants"? Exactly. *****ing and moaning about how Fulmer was only good because of his assistants is completely hypocritical if you hold Neyland to such a high standard.

The freshmen class that signed in the spring of 2008, was the senior class last year at UT. The 2010 senior class at UT was Fulmers signing class as well. We are not talking about the players who decomitted once Phil was fired. The talent he left on the roster is the real issue and it points towards why his firing was justified.

As far as Neyland goes....He seldom coached at all from the sidelines during games. He prepared his teams to go and execute the gameplan from the week and he watched from the sidelines. There was a huge difference in coaching styles between the 2 coaches.

 

[peyton4heisman]

It's OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!

(For the other 4 chan-ers on VN)

 

[2ironVol]

firing a coach mid season after coming off a trip to the SECCG tends to run off potential coaches like armpit hair on a prostitute

LOL
Once again you show your propensity to post the most ill informed garbage you could possibly think of.

 

[2ironVol]

He had a higher winning percentage for coaches with 10+ years coaching, a BCS title, and 2 SEC titles in the toughest conference in the country. So yes, I am.

Also you're delusional


You forget to mention that Fulmer had his hands on the most talent in the SEC from 1993-2002 yet only won two titles.

 

[volfanecs]

Also you're delusional
You forget to mention that Fulmer had his hands on the most talent in the SEC from 1993-2002 yet only won two titles.

I was waiting for your favorite word. Guess it is hard to use your favorite word and HOF in the same sentence. eh?

 

[2ironVol]

I was waiting for your favorite word. Guess it is hard to use your favorite word and HOF in the same sentence. eh?

As usual, you're having trouble with context. I have never said Fulmer doesn't belong in the HOF.

As far as comparing him to coaching legends like Paterno and Landry, the word delusional is the best word to use for those making the comparisons.

 

[volfanecs]

As usual, you're having trouble with context. I have never said Fulmer doesn't belong in the HOF.

As far as comparing him to coaching legends like Paterno and Landry, the word delusional is the best word to use for those making the comparisons.

Look back at the way Landry coached and the talent he had. It is a good comparison. If you would stop wasting your time insulting anyone with a different view and do a little research. As usual, you do not comprehend my posts. You must be delusional. lol

 

[2ironVol]

Look back at the way Landry coached and the talent he had. It is a good comparison. If you would stop wasting your time insulting anyone with a different view and do a little research. As usual, you do not comprehend my posts. You must be delusional. lol

I don't need to research Landry and the Cowboys. I forgot more about it on my worst day than you know on your best day.

And, it's remarkably ignorant to compare a college coach to an NFL coach, especially one that was as innovative as Landry. As far as the talent thing goes, a comparison to Mack Brown is far more legitimate

 

[knoxvols1]

Maybe in 15-20 years Fulmer will be revered and even though he is in the Hall of Fame and rightly so, he is not on the level of Landry and Paterno. Right now I have him a notch or two above Larry Coker. He's not even on the level of Barry Alvarez-yet!

 

[volfanecs]

I don't need to research Landry and the Cowboys. I forgot more about it on my worst day than you know on your best day.

And, it's remarkably ignorant to compare a college coach to an NFL coach, especially one that was as innovative as Landry. As far as the talent thing goes, a comparison to Mack Brown is far more legitimate

Not a chance. I can go back as far as "Doomsday Defense", and once again you just can not stop tearing down a fellow poster.

 

[2ironVol]

Not a chance. I can go back as far as "Doomsday Defense", and once again you just can not stop tearing down a fellow poster.

:birgits_giggle:

then post something reasonable. Trying to compare Fulmer to Landry wouldn't be considered reasonable in any informed person's world

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Maybe in 15-20 years Fulmer will be revered and even though he is in the Hall of Fame and rightly so, he is not on the level of Landry and Paterno. Right now I have him a notch or two above Larry Coker. He's not even on the level of Barry Alvarez-yet!

The great Barry Alvarez. Who could compare to that?

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Cutcliffe never stated he never should have left to the best of memory, please provide that link. I cannot see a OC saying he should have never left for a HC as being a mistake. It sure did not take Cut long to make that same mistake again, once again your attempt to discredit facts as flaws is useless.

Cut made the same mistake twice (should I link his record and number of title game appearances and total conference championships while at Ole Miss and Duke?). Win while at UT with Fulmer and Chavis. Then lose as a head coach on his own after winning with Fulmer and Chavis at UT. Is that hard to understand? -- Why would I try to discredit facts as flaws? What does that even mean? it is probably useless though, whatever it is.

 

[GmanTN]

Cut made the same mistake twice (should I link his record and number of title game appearances and total conference championships while at Ole Miss and Duke?). Win while at UT with Fulmer and Chavis. Then lose as a head coach on his own after winning with Fulmer and Chavis at UT. Is that hard to understand? -- Why would I try to discredit facts as flaws? What does that even mean? it is probably useless though, whatever it is.

How about I help you out?

Cut never played college football, he was a student assistant at Bama under Bear Bryant. His strong suit is an offensive coordinator not a head coach but the man makes a lot more money as a HC than as an OC. Cut has a current salary of 1.5 million a year and has a record at Duke of 12-24 and 59-62 overall.

He left for the money plain and simple and every man has to go out on their own at some point and time and do things.

Phil, Cut and Chavis was a 3 headed monster when they were together, not so much when they were apart.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

As usual, you're having trouble with context. I have never said Fulmer doesn't belong in the HOF.

As far as comparing him to coaching legends like Paterno and Landry, the word delusional is the best word to use for those making the comparisons.

First 17 years Fulmer (152 wins) Paterno (162 wins). 92-08 Fulmer (152 wins) Paterno (143 wins). Yep, those numbers hardly compare. Must be deluded. :whistling:

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

How about I help you out?

Cut never played college football, he was a student assistant at Bama under Bear Bryant. His strong suit is an offensive coordinator not a head coach but the man makes a lot more money as a HC than as an OC. Cut has a current salary of 1.5 million a year and has a record at Duke of 12-24 and 59-62 overall.

He left for the money plain and simple and every man has to go out on their own at some point and time and do things.

Phil, Cut and Chavis was a 3 headed monster when they were together, not so much when they were apart.

Thanks for the "help".

 

[volfanecs]

First 17 years Fulmer (152 wins) Paterno (162 wins). 92-08 Fulmer (152 wins) Paterno (143 wins). Yep, those numbers hardly compare. Must be deluded. :whistling:

Yes, stop being delusional.

 

[volfanecs]

:birgits_giggle:

then post something reasonable. Trying to compare Fulmer to Landry wouldn't be considered reasonable in any informed person's world

Oh really! Tom Landry known as not being "able to win the big one" Great regular season, just to fail in the post season. This was his label early. CPF 2001, bowl games. Is that okay for a start? And when you ridicule this post, can you try something other than "delusional". You got me saying it now. lol.

 

[Gramps]

Maybe in 15-20 years Fulmer will be revered and even though he is in the Hall of Fame and rightly so, he is not on the level of Landry and Paterno. Right now I have him a notch or two above Larry Coker. He's not even on the level of Barry Alvarez-yet!

You just lost all your e-cred trying to compare Coker and Alvarez to Fulmer
Total fail.

 

[GmanTN]

Thanks for the "help".

No Problem, my opinion on Phil is not going to change.