Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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Big Orange 1 said:
The only the thing delusional is firing a FIRST ballot Hall of Famer in mid-season. Crazy. But, you reap what you sow.
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And some wonder why we couldnt get a big name coach. When your peers think you're good and you get canned mid season it tends to run off the proven coaches. Mike Hamilton - the syphilis of UT
 
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PimpVol said:
First 17 years Fulmer (152 wins) Paterno (162 wins). 92-08 Fulmer (152 wins) Paterno (143 wins). Yep, those numbers hardly compare. Must be deluded. :whistling:
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Yeah, but then again....... Paterno ACTUALLY built up Penn State. Fulmer walked into an already affluent program!
 
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GreveHaller said:
And some wonder why we couldnt get a big name coach. When your peers think you're good and you get canned mid season it tends to run off the proven coaches. Mike Hamilton - the syphilis of UT
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So it's Hamilton's fault Fulmer drove the program into the ditch? It's Hamilton's fault Fulmer got a loaded cupboard in 1992 and then left one only fractions of what he got?

Just a totally uninformed take
 
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volfanecs said:
And improved and made it a consistent winner.
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Back to back SEC Championships... I'd have to say they were already winning on a constant basis by the time he took over. However, no one can take away the fact that he did win a NC. Just like no one can take away the fact Larry Coker did the same at Miami.
 
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GreveHaller said:
And some wonder why we couldnt get a big name coach. When your peers think you're good and you get canned mid season it tends to run off the proven coaches. Mike Hamilton - the syphilis of UT
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If everyone was so high on him, then why won't anyone hire him???

His overall record got him in the HOF and he deserves it, no doubt.
 
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knoxvols1 said:
Back to back SEC Championships... I'd have to say they were already winning on a constant basis by the time he took over. However, no one can take away the fact that he did win a NC. Just like no one can take away the fact Larry Coker did the same at Miami.
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So true
 
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2ironVol said:
The team Fulmer took over had just won 3 SEC titles in 5 years, but I will give you that Fulmer took advantage of the momentum and brought us a national championship.
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The team was rewarded with a HOF coach that brought them a championship. But at least you met me halfway. lol
 
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volfanecs said:
The team was rewarded with a HOF coach that brought them a championship. But at least you met me halfway. lol
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Since he is in the HOF, maybe you feel you don't have to acknowledge the fact that he got a loaded program and then left in fractions of how he got it, right? Maybe now you think we shouldn't have fired him because he was elected to the college HOF, right?

Rewarded??? LOL


Why doesn't anyone want to hire him if he is so great ?

I certaintly don't expect any informed answers, but at least give it the ole college try.
 
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volfanecs said:
The team was rewarded with a HOF coach that brought them a championship. But at least you met me halfway. lol
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And then he put his feet up on his desk and allowed the program to go into the ditch. He thought that national championship gave him lifetime equity with the program. He thought wrong, didn't he?
 
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knoxvols1 said:
Yeah, but then again....... Paterno ACTUALLY built up Penn State. Fulmer walked into an already affluent program!
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Wins are wins. And both coaches are QUITE comparable in both areas I layed out. Fulmer clearly elevated UT to a new level. We had not won a national title in 47 years. When was UT even in the title picture before Fulmer? When was Major's ever close at UT? Fulmer had at least 4 teams in the hunt. Every coach does not accomplish that. We certainly were not dominating when Fulmer took over. Indeed, our best recent teams had Fulmer either as OC or HC. To try to take anything away from "our" coach is blasphemous to me. Feel free to do it yourself though. Good thing the record books and the Hall of Fame dont feel like some of our "fans" do.
 
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2ironVol said:
Since he is in the HOF, maybe you feel you don't have to acknowledge the fact that he got a loaded program and then left in fractions of how he got it, right? Maybe now you think we shouldn't have fired him because he was elected to the college HOF, right?

Rewarded??? LOL


Why doesn't anyone want to hire him if he is so great ?

I certaintly don't expect any informed answers, but at least give it the ole college try.
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You can honestly say that the program is better off since the dismissal of CPF?

With what we've been dealt, you can honestly say we're better off without him?
 
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PimpVol said:
Wins are wins. And both coaches are QUITE comparable in both areas I layed out. Fulmer clearly elevated UT to a new level. We had not won a national title in 47 years. When was UT even in the title picture before Fulmer? When was Major's ever close at UT? Fulmer had at least 4 teams in the hunt. Every coach does not accomplish that. We certainly were not dominating when Fulmer took over. Indeed, our best recent teams had Fulmer either as OC or HC. To try to take anything away from "our" coach is blasphemous to me. Feel free to do it yourself though. Good thing the record books and the Hall of Fame dont feel like some of our "fans" do.
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Quite the exaggeration. 1998 and 2001. Majors was as close in 1989 as Fulmer was in 2001. Name the two other national championships we were in the hunt for?This delusional phase is catching on with you University of Fulmer fans...LOL. Fulmer had three teams finish in the top five and Majors had two.

Not for sure what you're stating here, but we were for sure LOADED when Fulmer got the program. We had just won 3 SEC titles the past five years. He couldn't have walked into a better situation.

I am glad Fulmer was our coach, but I am not going to put him up on a coaching pedestal for which he isn't worthy. He's in the HOF and that's great, he deserves it.

At least one of you please answer why he left the program in fractions of how he got it. For some reason, none of you seem to want to acknowledge that fact.
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
You can honestly say that the program is better off since the dismissal of CPF?

With what we've been dealt, you can honestly say we're better off without him?
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Sometimes you have to take two steps backwards before you can take one step forward.

Yes, he should have been fired regardless of what has happened since then. Whether you like it or not, that's not a reasonable argument for keeping him. He took the program into the ditch. Why can't you acknowledge that fact? Why can't you acknowledge the fact that he left the program in fractions of how he got it? That's not up for debate either, it's fact.
 
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2ironVol said:
Sometimes you have to take two steps backwards before you can take one step forward.

Yes, he should have been fired regardless of what has happened since then. Whether you like it or not, that's not a reasonable argument for keeping him. He took the program into the ditch. Why can't you acknowledge that fact? Why can't you acknowledge the fact that he left the program in fractions of how he got it? That's not up for debate either, it's fact.
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Ran a program into the ditch a fact? No thats your opinion.
 
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That weezle Mike Hamilton deserves a lot for the fall of Fulmer. He got to involved in the hiring of Dave Clawson. IMO
 
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TVOLS said:
That weezle Mike Hamilton deserves a lot for the fall of Fulmer. He got to involved in the hiring of Dave Clawson. IMO
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Clawful was fulmers downfall
Im not sure how involved or if Hambone pressured Fulmer into hiring him
I would think Fulmer had the final say
 
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PimpVol said:
Wins are wins. And both coaches are QUITE comparable in both areas I layed out. Fulmer clearly elevated UT to a new level. We had not won a national title in 47 years. When was UT even in the title picture before Fulmer? When was Major's ever close at UT? Fulmer had at least 4 teams in the hunt. Every coach does not accomplish that. We certainly were not dominating when Fulmer took over. Indeed, our best recent teams had Fulmer either as OC or HC. To try to take anything away from "our" coach is blasphemous to me. Feel free to do it yourself though. Good thing the record books and the Hall of Fame dont feel like some of our "fans" do.
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Majors win total for his last 3 full seasons as coach, 89-91 (29-6)

Phil Fulmers first 3 years as HC 1993-1995 (29-7)

Phil Fulmers last 3 years as HC 2006-2008 (24-15)

You need a history lesson and whether you or anyone else who doesn't think there was a tremendous drop in talent in the second half of Phil's time here is either in denial or don't grasp the game well.
 
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2ironVol said:
Quite the exaggeration. 1998 and 2001. Majors was as close in 1989 as Fulmer was in 2001. Name the two other national championships we were in the hunt for?This delusional phase is catching on with you University of Fulmer fans...LOL. Fulmer had three teams finish in the top five and Majors had two.

Not for sure what you're stating here, but we were for sure LOADED when Fulmer got the program. We had just won 3 SEC titles the past five years. He couldn't have walked into a better situation.

I am glad Fulmer was our coach, but I am not going to put him up on a coaching pedestal for which he isn't worthy. He's in the HOF and that's great, he deserves it.

At least one of you please answer why he left the program in fractions of how he got it. For some reason, none of you seem to want to acknowledge that fact.
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1997: beat Nebraska, and someone loses (can't remember who, maybe Kansas State?), the Vols win the National Championship.

1995: don't choke against Florida, they go undefeated and probably win the whole thing.

There are the 4 times for ya. And if you want another, 1999 should've been back to back, but a lost opportunity against Florida end a choke against Arkansas killed those chances.
 
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