Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

[GreveHaller]

Phil wanted the jobs thats the whole issue here, not whether the schools said No or the benefits package was not up to Phils liking.

Do you think Ark or Kan would have said no to a Saban or a Miles, I think not. Phil was beat out by Weiss who does not have near the HC record of Phil, that tells me that universities do not hold Phil in the same spotlight that some on here do. Do you think either of those schools would have said no to Saban or at the very least would have had to release a statement as to why Saban did not get the position if it came down to benefits?

Benefits only come into the equation if the school wants the coach bad enough to list as their #1 HC target.

You still have yet to show the school said no. You guess they say no but offer no proof. If Ark or Kan came in with a salary of $500k or even $1mil, then PF, Saban, or Miles very well might have said no. When you're in the spotlight of the media and the question is asked if you want the job, you always say yes. You would never say no.

You have proof Phil wanted the jobs. Now give proof the school said no. Otherwise your point is merely a guess.

 

[GmanTN]

You still have yet to show the school said no. You guess they say no but offer no proof. If Ark or Kan came in with a salary of $500k or even $1mil, then PF, Saban, or Miles very well might have said no. When you're in the spotlight of the media and the question is asked if you want the job, you always say yes. You would never say no.

You have proof Phil wanted the jobs. Now give proof the school said no. Otherwise your point is merely a guess.

He wasn't hired speaks volumes about proof, since you want to debate over the proof where Phil said no, how about you find those links?

I provided the links where he wanted the jobs and did not get them. I still say if both sides had gotten to that point in negotiations it would have been leaked out by now, especially since Phil was a first ballot HOF.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Hate is such a strong word Pimp, this thread will never end as long as the University of Fulmer lovers keep spewing their theories on how this HOF coach was so great and fail to acknowledge he drove us in the ditch.

Said theories were proven correct, unlike the Fulmer Haters . Who wants this thread to end? It is not botherin' me to extoll the virtues of CPF, it sure is easy work.

 

[GmanTN]

I don't hate Phil, I prefer to not place him on a pedalstal and site his good 1993-2000 with the bad. I also think Phil gets way too much credit for some things and if someone says something negative some people on here take it way to serious as if it was blasphemy.

Did Phil have a good career? Yes
Was his first half better than his second half? Yes
Did teams coached by Phil have superior talent (93-99) but still find ways to lose? Yes
Did Spurrier have a mental advantage over Phil? I think so and so does W/L record
Was Phil good at recruiting linemen? Yes
Did Phil lose sight of recruiting linemen and the OL when Cut left? It sure appears that way
Did the recruitment of players with character issues effect our program? Yes
Did Phil leave a roster deprived of SEC talent and depth? Absolutely
Is Phil a VFL? yes
First ballot HOF coach? Yes

One would think that from all the achievements Phil had as a coach and from all the coaching vacancies that has opened up since 2008 that if a school wanted a big name coach, and Phil was viewed as a big name coach like some on here contend, that Phil would have been hired by now.

 

[GreveHaller]

He wasn't hired speaks volumes about proof, since you want to debate over the proof where Phil said no, how about you find those links?

I provided the links where he wanted the jobs and did not get them. I still say if both sides had gotten to that point in negotiations it would have been leaked out by now, especially since Phil was a first ballot HOF.

Sorry G, but you're a misguided. You gave links but you never show the schools said no. Never. Again, because he wasnt hired it a two way street: the schools might have said no, Phil might have said no. Unless you have proof from the school then its only a guess on your part. Your hatred blinds you from being objective. For me the answer it I dont know who says no. There's a chance the schools did say no but there's also an equal chance he did.

But today Phil Fulmer is OK. In fact, he's better than OK. He has a partnership in a successful wealth management company. He gets to travel. He recently took part in a dinner to honor Pat Summitt, who just retired as UT's Hall of Fame women's basketball coach. He is a grandfather, "which is not overrated at all."


There are many factors in the reason he is not coaching but you simply chose to ignore them: Successful company, being a grandfather. But in your world its only coaching. Open your eyes and mind.

Fulmer has thought about getting back into coaching over the past three years. He took a serious look at the Kansas job when they hired Turner Gill. Louisville intrigued him because Bobby Petrino proved you could win a championship there. When the Arkansas job suddenly came open in April he let some friends know that he would not mind being in the discussion.

But the right opportunity never came. It is probably just as well. Phillip Fulmer gave his heart to Tennessee when he arrived as a freshman in 1968. For him there was never going to be another color other than the Big Orange.

He was open to other option but as stated the right op never happened.

While you might feel that not having a coaching job "speaks volumes", being voted into the HOF by his peers on the first ballot speaks libraries. Other coaches, athletic directors and sports information directors nominated him as well as voted him in. The same people you believe shunned him.


Fulmer Vindicated with HOF Selection

 

[GmanTN]

Sorry G, but you're a misguided. You gave links but you never show the schools said no. Never. Again, because he wasnt hired it a two way street: the schools might have said no, Phil might have said no. Unless you have proof from the school then its only a guess on your part. Your hatred blinds you from being objective. For me the answer it I dont know who says no. There's a chance the schools did say no but there's also an equal chance he did.

But today Phil Fulmer is OK. In fact, he's better than OK. He has a partnership in a successful wealth management company. He gets to travel. He recently took part in a dinner to honor Pat Summitt, who just retired as UT's Hall of Fame women's basketball coach. He is a grandfather, "which is not overrated at all."


There are many factors in the reason he is not coaching but you simply chose to ignore them: Successful company, being a grandfather. But in your world its only coaching. Open your eyes and mind.

Fulmer has thought about getting back into coaching over the past three years. He took a serious look at the Kansas job when they hired Turner Gill. Louisville intrigued him because Bobby Petrino proved you could win a championship there. When the Arkansas job suddenly came open in April he let some friends know that he would not mind being in the discussion.

But the right opportunity never came. It is probably just as well. Phillip Fulmer gave his heart to Tennessee when he arrived as a freshman in 1968. For him there was never going to be another color other than the Big Orange.

He was open to other option but as stated the right op never happened.

While you might feel that not having a coaching job "speaks volumes", being voted into the HOF by his peers on the first ballot speaks libraries. Other coaches, athletic directors and sports information directors nominated him as well as voted him in. The same people you believe shunned him.


Fulmer Vindicated with HOF Selection

You can choose whatever version of Phil that you wish to make you feel better. I know if a person was doing more then OK and enjoying life with his family, he would not have shown any interest in coaching again. Thats not keeping your name out there, thats not a case of well you know thank you for showing interest but at this time i'm going to have to say no thanks. If a university in this economy felt like they needed a big name coach to increase their revenue at the gate, and big name first ballot HOF coach expressed interest in said job. I believe a contract that both parties could agree upon could be reached.

Just in case you forgot who gave Phil a shot at coaching here "he had spent time with Wichita St and Vandy" was Johnny Majors. From 1980 thru 1988 Phil was over the OL, in 1989 he became OC/OL and held that title until he became HC in 1992. I am very familiar with Phil since I have been a University of TN fan for over 40 years and have lived in Knoxville for over 50 years.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

speaks libraries. Good one. Wish I had thought of it!

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Fulmer Vindicated with HOF Selection

I could have written that article. Probably have in this thread. Gonna look.

 

[knoxvols1]

You still have yet to show the school said no. You guess they say no but offer no proof. If Ark or Kan came in with a salary of $500k or even $1mil, then PF, Saban, or Miles very well might have said no. When you're in the spotlight of the media and the question is asked if you want the job, you always say yes. You would never say no.

You have proof Phil wanted the jobs. Now give proof the school said no. Otherwise your point is merely a guess.

I would think if a coach publicly states he's interested in the position of HC of a University but the University doesn't even give him consideration that means (NO). None even gave him a thanks but no thanks and that represents ALOT!
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[volfanecs]

Hate is such a strong word Pimp, this thread will never end as long as the University of Fulmer lovers keep spewing their theories on how this HOF coach was so great and fail to acknowledge he drove us in the ditch.

Hate is a strong word. Lovers is also a strong emotion. I do not love CPF and I bet you do not hate him. One side tries to water down his accomplishments and the other side extolls them.

Dooley wins and gets to a good bowl and this thread becomes an afterthought. I do hope to get to 10,000. lol

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

I would think if a coach publicly states he's interested in the position of HC of a University but the University doesn't even give him consideration that means (NO). None even gave him a thanks but no thanks and that represents ALOT!
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Of.........

 

[knoxvols1]

Of.........

Oh, say, Arkansas, Louisville, Kansas.... etc......
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[GmanTN]

Hate is a strong word. Lovers is also a strong emotion. I do not love CPF and I bet you do not hate him. One side tries to water down his accomplishments and the other side extolls them.

Dooley wins and gets to a good bowl and this thread becomes an afterthought. I do hope to get to 10,000. lol

I do not water down any of Phils accomplishments but you have to remember for every good thing Phil did for this university he also had bad things happen, there is a difference.

As I stated earlier, I live in Knoxville and have lived here for over 50 years and have followed the Vols since I was 7 years old. Perhaps you live here or perhaps you don't, but from my perspective Phil let this program go down under his watch and to me there is no excuse for that since he understood the significance of having a talented roster ever since Majors hired him as an OL coach. I do not give him a pass for how he ran this university down just because of his record and SEC Championships or the NC. As a matter of fact he should have won more with all the talent that came thru here when his staff was in place and things were clicking, but that is neither here or there.

Phil put us in the ditch, before the 2008 season began I knew it was not going to be a good year and that had nothing to do with Clawfense. Just from watching the team play the previous years you could tell the talent was steadily going down hill. The shining moment for Phil was when Cut came back and even tho we went to the SEC Championship in 07, I did not know a single Vol fan locally that was happy about it since we had gotten drilled by our 2 largest rivals.

I remember when Florida was not that good of a team and when they were you knew the NCAA would nail them. For me growing up you hated Bama with every ounce of fiber in your body and the games were special. Nowadays we just get owned by our biggest Rivals and hope we beat the remainder of the teams on our schedule. That crap don't set well with me and if Phil had continued recruiting like he use to then we would not be finding ourselves in this ditch using broken shovels trying to claw our way out of it.

We have started and played more true freshmen in the toughest conference in college than Phil ever played in the 17 years he was here as HC. Remember how hard it was for Foster and Eric Berry to play their Freshmen years? what about Peyton? A Freshmen had to be special at one time around here to play, now all we have had is Freshmen playing. I do think these kids will grow up this year and play better and not get gassed near as bad as last year but we are still a few more recruiting classes away from having quality depth.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Oh, say, Arkansas, Louisville, Kansas.... etc......
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Meaning, represents alot of what.

 

[vol_in_ar]

hate is a strong word. Lovers is also a strong emotion. I do not love cpf and i bet you do not hate him. One side tries to water down his accomplishments and the other side extolls them.

Dooley wins and gets to a good bowl and this thread becomes an afterthought. I do hope to get to 10,000. Lol

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[GreyWolf1129]

Sorry G, but you're a misguided. You gave links but you never show the schools said no. Never. Again, because he wasnt hired it a two way street: the schools might have said no, Phil might have said no. Unless you have proof from the school then its only a guess on your part. Your hatred blinds you from being objective. For me the answer it I dont know who says no. There's a chance the schools did say no but there's also an equal chance he did.

But today Phil Fulmer is OK. In fact, he's better than OK. He has a partnership in a successful wealth management company. He gets to travel. He recently took part in a dinner to honor Pat Summitt, who just retired as UT's Hall of Fame women's basketball coach. He is a grandfather, "which is not overrated at all."


There are many factors in the reason he is not coaching but you simply chose to ignore them: Successful company, being a grandfather. But in your world its only coaching. Open your eyes and mind.

Fulmer has thought about getting back into coaching over the past three years. He took a serious look at the Kansas job when they hired Turner Gill. Louisville intrigued him because Bobby Petrino proved you could win a championship there. When the Arkansas job suddenly came open in April he let some friends know that he would not mind being in the discussion.

But the right opportunity never came. It is probably just as well. Phillip Fulmer gave his heart to Tennessee when he arrived as a freshman in 1968. For him there was never going to be another color other than the Big Orange.

He was open to other option but as stated the right op never happened.

While you might feel that not having a coaching job "speaks volumes", being voted into the HOF by his peers on the first ballot speaks libraries. Other coaches, athletic directors and sports information directors nominated him as well as voted him in. The same people you believe shunned him.


Fulmer Vindicated with HOF Selection

Being voted into the HOF, which Fulmer deserved, is completely different from hiring him as a head coach.

One is in recognition for his past accomplishments, which are not in question.

The other is gambling on his future...which it has become quite clear that no AD is willing to do.

The HOF selection did not "vindicate" Fulmer. He earned that honor.

He also earned his current position in college football, which is retired.

Maybe it's time for you to can the man-love and face the fact that Fulmer's time has passed.

Go Vols.

 

[TNGrad2012]

Did anyone ever think for a second that Fulmer is probably re-energized to take over as a head coach somewhere after he's not coached for some three years? I'm not saying that Tennessee should hire him, but it would not shock me if he goes somewhere else and take the job and builds up a competitive program.

 

[2ironVol]

1997: beat Nebraska, and someone loses (can't remember who, maybe Kansas State?), the Vols win the National Championship.

1995: don't choke against Florida, they go undefeated and probably win the whole thing.

There are the 4 times for ya. And if you want another, 1999 should've been back to back, but a lost opportunity against Florida end a choke against Arkansas killed those chances.

Making this argument is clearly indicative that you are in over your head in this debate. This is silly at best and extremely pathetic at worst.

1995??? Got beat 62-37 by Florida, no chance at NC
1997??? Got beat 33-20 by Florida, no chance at NC

YOu should move on . YOu're embarrassing yourself and the fanbase

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Seeing how he was a first ballot Hall of Famer at his first head coaching job, it would not be shocking at all for him to win big again. With 30 years at one school however, at some point enough is simply enough. The time has passed. I don't see him coaching anywhere, ever again.

 

[2ironVol]

At least four, just like I said. These Fulmer haters are funny. Really.

And you have no idea what you are talking about. You're out of your league like this other child

 

[99gator]

If Tennessee pulled off the upset of lsu in the 2007 sec title game, is fulmer still the coach?

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Making this argument is clearly indicative that you are in over your head in this debate. This is silly at best and extremely pathetic at worst.

1995??? Got beat 62-37 by Florida, no chance at NC
1997??? Got beat 33-20 by Florida, no chance at NC

YOu should move on . YOu're embarrassing yourself and the fanbase

And you have no idea what you are talking about. You're out of your league like this other child

There is a difference between having the talent to win a national title and having the chance to play for one based on how the season plays itself out. Far be it from a nimrod such as yourself to be able to tell or recognize said difference. You are good at insult hurling however, so all is not lost. Now, for the intelligence impaired (i.e. you), UT had title worthy talent in 95, 97, 99 and 2001. Did we win all of our games and play for national title in those years, no. Could we have, yes. That was the original point being made (which apparently sailed right past you). Now, back to the sandtrap for you. Play with those of like wit. You will find it easier and less stressful. The more you keep trying to find limpdicked ways to dis-credit a HOF Champion, the sillier you look. You have not been efficacious in your endeavors at all. Not even close. The time has come for you to try something new. :whistling:

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

If Tennessee pulled off the upset of lsu in the 2007 sec title game, is fulmer still the coach?

Potentially so. Maybe Cut does not leave so quickly the second time if we win in it 07. Then recruiting may have picked back up. But it is all speculation. Without Cut staying though, it is likely a forced retirement type of situation (I don't see Fulmer quiting). But it probably would not have been a mid-season embarrassment such as what actually occured. My :twocents: .

 

[2ironVol]

There is a difference between having the talent to win a national title and having the chance to play for one based on how the season plays itself out. Far be it from a nimrod such as yourself to be able to tell or recognize said difference. You are good at insult hurling however, so all is not lost. Now, for the intelligence impaired (i.e. you), UT had title worthy talent in 95, 97, 99 and 2001. Did we win all of our games and play for national title in those years, no. Could we have, yes. That was the original point being made (which apparently sailed right past you). Now, back to the sandtrap for you. Play with those of like wit. You will find it easier and less stressful. The more you keep trying to find limpdicked ways to dis-credit a HOF Champion, the sillier you look. You have not been efficacious in your endeavors at all. Not even close. The time has come for you to try something new. :whistling:

Says the little boy without a clue :birgits_giggle:

Only a real clown would make the argument we had four legimate chances at a national championship because of talent. You're in over head, no doubt. Since your dumbarse brought it up, I will explain it to your dumbarse. We had more talent than everyone in the SEC and most everyone in the country from 1993-2002. I guess, with your low IQ logic, we had a chance at the national championship for all of those years.

What a ignorant clown you are :birgits_giggle:

 

[99gator]

Says the little boy without a clue :birgits_giggle:

Only a real clown would make the argument we had four legimate chances at a national championship because of talent. You're in over head, no doubt. Since your dumbarse brought it up, I will explain it to your dumbarse. We had more talent than everyone in the SEC and most everyone in the country from 1993-2002. I guess, with your low IQ logic, we had a chance at the national championship for all of those years.

What a ignorant clown you are :birgits_giggle:

Dude, from 95-99, they had the talent to win it all every season.

Hell, if florida hadn't been on the schedule, they may have played fir the title each of those years