Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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Carl Pickens said:
That's being overly complimentary towards the trolls....but I guess you don't give a crap
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Wow, have you been in the closet with Nega taking "out of context" lessons? I don't give a crap what you or anyone else thinks of me pulling for Bama as a second team. I do think the Bama trolls are dickweeds and they are fortunate that I am not a Mod because they would be off the board with the gator trolls. But that's just me. I guess you can tolerate them.
 
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Wizard of Orange said:
Please enlighten me oh iron one
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First of all,the idea that Fulmer "gave into boosters" is beyond ignorant. No coach with any credibility is going to make hiring decisions based on the demands of the fans. He made the hire. He wanted Clawson. Clawson has a sharp offensive mind. Heck, Fulmer(and totally unsolicited) talked about how excited he was to have Clawson running the offense.

The continuance to blame others for Fulmer's failures is one characteristic all the University of Fulmer fans share in common.
 
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2ironVol said:
First of all,the idea that Fulmer "gave into boosters" is beyond ignorant. No coach with any credibility is going to make hiring decisions based on the demands of the fans. He made the hire. He wanted Clawson. Clawson has a sharp offensive mind. Heck, Fulmer(and totally unsolicited) talked about how excited he was to have Clawson running the offense.

The continuance to blame others for Fulmer's failures is one characteristic all the University of Fulmer fans share in common.
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Sorta like you blaming Fulmer for the current state of affairs.
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
Sorta like you blaming Fulmer for the current state of affairs.
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No, actually it's nothing like blaming Fulmer for the current state. The FACTS are that Fulmer rode this program into the ditch so, yes, the current state of the program is due to Fulmer's last few years.

With all due respect, some of you guys should just hit the ignore button rather than show us how little you know about the game of football and what it takes to build and field a team capable of competing with the best of the SEC
 
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2ironVol said:
No, actually it's nothing like blaming Fulmer for the current state. The FACTS are that Fulmer rode this program into the ditch so, yes, the current state of the program is due to Fulmer's last few years.

With all due respect, some of you guys should just hit the ignore button rather than show us how little you know about the game of football and what it takes to build and field a team capable of competing with the best of the SEC
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Nah

The boosters made Fulmer hire DC as OC.

Sanders was a terrible OC .

Fulmer sorry record his last 4 years does not count, the 17 year record is all that means anything.

The lack of SEC caliber players is Kiffins fault.

Fulmer had talent on team when he was fired. EB was here.

MH wouldn't let Fulmer do his job

oh yeah he is a HOF coach.

he loves the university .

It is always someone else's fault.

Phil can do no wrong.
 
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2ironVol said:
No, actually it's nothing like blaming Fulmer for the current state. The FACTS are that Fulmer rode this program into the ditch so, yes, the current state of the program is due to Fulmer's last few years.

With all due respect, some of you guys should just hit the ignore button rather than show us how little you know about the game of football and what it takes to build and field a team capable of competing with the best of the SEC
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You mean like MOST of the teams CPF had? Oh wait, thats right 2Iron, the 152 games he won were because Majors left the roster stacked, the 52 he lost were because he became lazy.
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
You mean like MOST of the teams CPF had? Oh wait, thats right 2Iron, the 152 games he won were because Majors left the roster stacked, the 52 he lost were because he became lazy.
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Hey, the nineties were great, but it would be ignorant to not cite Johnny Majors as the coach that rebuilt the program. Never said Fulmer doesn't deserve a lot of credit. He never showed a propensity to rebuild here though and you can't ignore that fact. After the 2001 SECCG loss, we never had a season where we looked anything like a national championship contender.


From 2002-2008, the Vols were mediocre and never were relevant in the national picture.

It would really be nice if our University of Fulmer fans had some modicum of reason rather than making everything about absolute extremes
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
You mean like MOST of the teams CPF had? Oh wait, thats right 2Iron, the 152 games he won were because Majors left the roster stacked, the 52 he lost were because he became lazy.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, if you look at Fulmer's tenure retrospectively, that's exactly the way it appears. Sorry
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Dickey got the program back in the right direction until Battle ran it back in the ground. Majors came on board and brought a lot of talent into the program during his tenure, he also gave Fulmer an opportunity. Majors had a lot more in the grooming of Fulmer than most fans give him credit for, such as recruit, recruit, recruit. Fulmer comes on after Majors lets his ego and bourbon, followed up by some health issues which pushed Fulmer into the HC role.

During Fulmers first 8 full years as coach, a fan could not ask for a whole lot more other than another Trophy or 2. The performance on the field, the national rankings all help earn the university a lot of devoted fans and boosted revenue for the university.

The second half of his career was not near as impressive, the departure of Cut in 98 changed the chemistry of the team IMO. We lost the backbone of our teams which was to pound the rock then go deep, our offensive lines which was the 1 thing Phil use to recruit so well at, became our weakness. By the time 2005 rolled around Sanders who btw had the best record against Florida as OC, was taking serious heat. During that 6 year span without Cut, Phil became more and more involved in the offense play calling.

When Cut returned in 06 he noticed a big change in the talent along the offensive line. If you remember he had Ainge throwing the ball away a lot if the receiver was covered because our lines could not block well. During the 2 years that Cut returned we were able to put the 05 season behind us by winning 19 games. Duke came calling and Cut was gone, the lack of recruiting along the OL had still not been addressed and when Clawson was hired it became exposed for what it was and the writing was on the wall for Phil.

The above is about as nice of a way I can say things, I have been a devoted Vol fan my entire life. The last 8 years of Fulmers career has forever etched a dislike for the man for failures that I have expressed in this thread for years now.
 
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Gramps said:
Nah

The boosters made Fulmer hire DC as OC.

Sanders was a terrible OC .

Fulmer sorry record his last 4 years does not count, the 17 year record is all that means anything.

The lack of SEC caliber players is Kiffins fault.

Fulmer had talent on team when he was fired. EB was here.

MH wouldn't let Fulmer do his job

oh yeah he is a HOF coach.

he loves the university .

It is always someone else's fault.

Phil can do no wrong.
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I knew you would finally see it my way. lol
 
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volfanecs said:
I knew you would finally see it my way. lol
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Yes, you have finally persuaded me.
To celebrate I am posting a pic of our hero in one of his finest moments. Enjoy.



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Gramps said:
Yes, you have finally persuaded me.
To celebrate I am posting a pic of our hero in one of his finest moments. Enjoy.



MoreDoughnuts.jpg
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TNGlen said:
No disrespect, but I squirted milk out of my nose while eating donuts when I saw this!
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I am suspending my support for CPF briefly to, as the young people say, LMAO. Now back to original programming, "Cut it out you two".
 
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Anyone with a semblance of a football IQ that followed Tennessee football could tell that Fulmer became too involved in the play calling with both Sanders and Clawson not letting either run the offense. Clawson may have been the coach to run the new offense but Fulmer wouldn't allow him and we all know Clawson knew way more about it than Fulmer did!
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knoxvols1 said:
Anyone with a semblance of a football IQ that followed Tennessee football could tell that Fulmer became too involved in the play calling with both Sanders and Clawson not letting either run the offense. Clawson may have been the coach to run the new offense but Fulmer wouldn't allow him and we all know Clawson knew way more about it than Fulmer did!
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Clawson knew more about being a bottom dweller, running the offense down to about 113th in the NCAA
 
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vol_in_il said:
Clawson knew more about being a bottom dweller, running the offense down to about 113th in the NCAA
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Whatever

the guy won a national championship at Richmond just one year prior to coming to Knoxville. He forgot more about offense on his very worst day than you will ever know on your best day.
 
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2ironVol said:
Whatever

the guy won a national championship at Richmond just one year prior to coming to Knoxville. He forgot more about offense on his very worst day than you will ever know on your best day.
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Ok, is it Fulmer's fault for not letting the offensive guru Clawson run the offense?, OR, is is Fulmer's fault for supporting his hiring? I know it's Fulmers fault to you, so which is it. Im sure you can twist it around and say both are true.

Twist on !!
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
Ok, is it Fulmer's fault for not letting the offensive guru Clawson run the offense?, OR, is is Fulmer's fault for supporting his hiring? I know it's Fulmers fault to you, so which is it. Im sure you can twist it around and say both are true.

Twist on !!
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As head coach, CEO, President, Quarterback, etc., you are given the glory whether you deserve it or not. So when your Team, Company, Country, etc, falls on hard times then you will also receive the blame. It is the nature of the beast and you accepted it once you accepted the position. Whether you or anyone else likes it or not, Fulmer hired the assistants, recruited the players, and was the head coach of the team. As such, when the team starts sucking it is his fault, plain and simple. Does it matter whether Dave Clawson was terrible because he knew nothing about coaching or because Fulmer micromanaged? To me, no. Fulmer is to blame no matter which one is true...
 
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Thump said:
As head coach, CEO, President, Quarterback, etc., you are given the glory whether you deserve it or not. So when your Team, Company, Country, etc, falls on hard times then you will also receive the blame. It is the nature of the beast and you accepted it once you accepted the position. Whether you or anyone else likes it or not, Fulmer hired the assistants, recruited the players, and was the head coach of the team. As such, when the team starts sucking it is his fault, plain and simple. Does it matter whether Dave Clawson was terrible because he knew nothing about coaching or because Fulmer micromanaged? To me, no. Fulmer is to blame no matter which one is true...
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I somewhat agree. We have some on here that blame Fulmer for every loss, but the wins were because he was "lucky" or inherited juggernauts. He cant be blamed forever, sorry. At some point the CPF haters are gonna have to blame the new regime.
 
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CPF Haters, lmao, the last 4 senior classes can be blamed on Phil, the rebuilding of a depleted roster can be blamed on Phil and the pains we have endured the past 3 years from having to rebuild can be blamed on Phil. That is not hating that is simply stating facts.
 
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