Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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I will be glad when this thread gets to 10,000 posts and hope a mod shuts it down. There is nothing else to be said.
Those who believe Phil was God and those who feel Phil let the program down are not going to change their minds.
 
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GmanTN said:
How was your cruise?
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good. Look in the endzone for the topic of "VIF (post cruise)". It has a summary of what we did. The other 2 things I came away with was a balcony room is waaaay worth the upgrade cost (I'll never go back to an oceanview) and going with a big group is great. You can do things as a whole or splinter down and everyone has a blast.
 
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PimpVol said:
The coach who loses the game gets the blame for losing the game. Or gets the credit for winning the game. It is this radical new concept called.... get ready for it..... a COACHING RECORD. It is a measure of a persons ability to take his team and beat the other team. Every coach has one. They do not need to be explained nor justified. All this blame non-sense is just that, non-sense. It exists only where it is allowed to exist, while records are kept in books and halls. Which one you going with????
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This is true right up to the point when a coach is hired 2 weeks before NSD and basically has to start a tenure with the previous 2 coaches recruits. They may be all 5* or they may all suck or be somewhere between (like UT). CDD is crawling out from under this cloud and after this year has ABSOLUTELY nothing to blame anything on. He is still playing with 1 class that doesn't belong to him at all, but after this year, that crap is over with. He should be able to fully compete with 3 of his classes and the Spliffin/CDD class. Pimp, if you only want to look at records, you would have given CPF about 6 more years with teams like his last 4 to ruin he record and get back to about a 50% won/loss ratio. That shows extreme shortsightedness on your part and a lack of respect for The UT to say that you would allow this to happen (assuming that all you look at are records). Move on buddy, CPF is gone, time to support CDD this year and if he doesn't have a good year, support the next guy. I am afraid the next guy will be closer to a Spliffin type hire, than a CDD type hire and from an ethics standpoint, we will be taking a giant step backwards.
 
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whobethis16 said:
But as I've said a number of times, consistency goes a long way. I'm afraid that with the firing of a Hall of Fame coach after only a 2nd losing season and one year removed from playing for the conference championship and losing by one score to the eventual national champions, especially in the way it happened, hurts more than it helps. No big name wants the job because at the slightest sign of trouble, his head will be called for, great players won't commit as much because they would like to know that they'll play for the same coach for 3-4 years, etc.
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Um, OK, well, I foe one don't want consistency if it means 6-6 or even a winning 7-5 record every year! Now, maybe if I was a Vandy fan that would probably be in line of what's expected or a bonus!
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knoxvols1 said:
Um, OK, well, I foe one don't want consistency if it means 6-6 or even a winning 7-5 record every year! Now, maybe if I was a Vandy fan that would probably be in line of what's expected or a bonus!
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Ok, let's keep replacing the coach every 3 years and keep having 5-7 records because we can't keep recruits coming in for all the reasons I've said. That'll be great for the program and all, too, won't it?
 
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whobethis16 said:
Ok, let's keep replacing the coach every 3 years and keep having 5-7 records because we can't keep recruits coming in for all the reasons I've said. That'll be great for the program and all, too, won't it?
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Good point there. No argueing that one. Thing about Phil and all those who back him is, if he would have been like Alvarez or Davis and built the program instead of inheriting it or (especially if he'd been like Joe Pa) went a couple of times undefeated even not winning a NC then more would have been on his bandwagon and I think most would agree he should've been given more time. As it sits now, letting him go was the right thing to do, eventhough he did go to the SECCG it was still past time for him to go. The program was in steep decline and I think the 01 SECCG was the forecast to that.
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knoxvols1 said:
Good point there. No argueing that one. Thing about Phil and all those who back him is, if he would have been like Alvarez or Davis and built the program instead of inheriting it or (especially if he'd been like Joe Pa) went a couple of times undefeated even not winning a NC then more would have been on his bandwagon and I think most would agree he should've been given more time. As it sits now, letting him go was the right thing to do, eventhough he did go to the SECCG it was still past time for him to go. The program was in steep decline and I think the 01 SECCG was the forecast to that.
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It's hard to say that it was in such a steep decline, especially with going to Atlanta every 3 years, and the last two losing by a combined 17 points to the eventual National Champion or a team that was royally screwed out of it. And I just want to set the record straight that I really like Dooley, and hope he's here for a long time, but, at this point, it is kinda difficult to not wonder what could've happened if they didn't do what they did, or at the very least how they did it.
 
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Gramps said:
The state of the program has to be taken into account at the time of the coaching change. It is ludicrous not to consider the talent level etc at time of change.
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Since it is your opinion, consider what you like. Enjoy it too. Whenever you are done, the records will still be there. Smiling :yes: .
 
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TNGlen said:
Pmp, if you only want to look at records, you would have given CPF about 6 more years with teams like his last 4 to ruin he record and get back to about a 50% won/loss ratio. That shows extreme shortsightedness on your part and a lack of respect for The UT to say that you would allow this to happen (assuming that all you look at are records). Move on buddy, CPF is gone, time to support CDD this year and if he doesn't have a good year, support the next guy.
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I have never expressed the thought CPF should still be coach. I said that we did not have a need for a mid year debacle (no actual benefit in even discussing coaching change mid-season). I said we should have known exactly who we were going after as our coach if we did make a move (still do). I also said that where Fulmer's record stood put him in superb company (since proven correct). These are all my opinions. What should I move on from? Huh? I support Tennessee every year. I don't know when we will have a "next guy". We are going to surprise outsiders and make all TRUE Vols happy this year. On the field, and the recruiting trail. V,B!
 
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PimpVol said:
Since it is your opinion, consider what you like. Enjoy it too. Whenever you are done, the records will still be there. Smiling :yes: .
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Fulmer's last 4 years of coaching his overall record was 29-21and 17-15 in the SEC.*
 
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PimpVol said:
I have never expressed the thought CPF should still be coach. I said that we did not have a need for a mid year debacle (no actual benefit in even discussing coaching change mid-season). I said we should have known exactly who we were going after as our coach if we did make a move (still do). I also said that where Fulmer's record stood put him in superb company (since proven correct). These are all my opinions. What should I move on from? Huh? I support Tennessee every year. I don't know when we will have a "next guy". We are going to surprise outsiders and make all TRUE Vols happy this year. On the field, and the recruiting trail. V,B!
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Then what is your point. Nearly (like 99%) of VN agrees with you. What are you arguing?
 
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knoxvols1 said:
Good point there. No argueing that one. Thing about Phil and all those who back him is, if he would have been like Alvarez or Davis and built the program instead of inheriting it or (especially if he'd been like Joe Pa) went a couple of times undefeated even not winning a NC then more would have been on his bandwagon and I think most would agree he should've been given more time. As it sits now, letting him go was the right thing to do, eventhough he did go to the SECCG it was still past time for him to go. The program was in steep decline and I think the 01 SECCG was the forecast to that.
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after JoePa covered up a coach raping kids in his locker room, I don't want Phil to be like JoePa
 
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I wonder if the Mods could break this thread down by user post count.... would be interesting to see who has posted the most in this thread.
 
#9,899
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Sick twist......mods could merge one of the 1000 other Fulmer threads and pass the 10000 instantaneously.
 
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