Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

[TheDeeble]

And you can "if" all you want by saying we wouldn't be better off not having fired than we are now. You don't "know" anything about that. We at least have a little basis because recruiting wouldn't have been destroyed by new coaches. We don't know for certain, but still a bit more validity than you do.

I'm not ifing at all. I'm dealing in reality and what happened. Fulmer was fired. The reasons are obvious. No ifs about it. I'm not making up magical scenarios where Fulmer comes back and wins national championships against coaches he didn't even have a winning record against.

Recruiting had been going down for years under Fulmer. I see no difference.

 

[volfanecs]

I'm not ifing at all. I'm dealing in reality and what happened. Fulmer was fired. The reasons are obvious. No ifs about it. I'm not making up magical scenarios where Fulmer comes back and wins national championships against coaches he didn't even have a winning record against.

Recruiting had been going down for years under Fulmer. I see no difference.

The reasons were stupid. Fanbase spoiled by CPF's success. He was never appreciated by the under 50 crowd. No one wants us after 50.

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

Of course every coach wants to be a HOFer, nothing wrong with that, in fact it should be a (elusive) goal, but check those last (Fulmer) seven years and see if they qualify for HOF status. That said, I think Doug Dickey is also in the HOF, not sure if he made it as a coach or AD, so the standards are obviously a bit loose. What about your meaningless comment about Richt? Did Richt get a "moral" victory in the SECCG?

No the point with Richt is he has lost his last 3 SECCG. So by the standard that we held Fulmer to should Richt be fired in your opinion?

It's not a trick question.

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

Not really. Most of those guys were gone before Dooley arrived.

As Fulmer quoted after the Kentucky game.

"it was nice to see the last of my recruits run through the T for the last time"

 

[Blackburn]

I say...Right after Fulmer is inducted to the Hall of Fame for all the wins he put up as coach of our Vols, we hire him back and let him right our rudderless ship. It'll be great and everyone will rejoice.

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

Delusional dreaming. Fulmer on top against the likes of Saban, Miles, Richt? Just to name a few.

Richt han't won anything since 2005 when he won the SECCG. He has made to the SECCG 3 time since without a win. Fulmer made three SEC Championship game appearances in 2001, 2004, and 2007 losing all three.

So by these standards both losing their last 3 SECCG appearances shouldn't Richt be fired?

Personally it would be as big of a mistake as Tennessee made when they let Fulmer go.

 

[ReelfootVol]

Somebody please give Fulmer a coaching job so we don't have to put up with him.

 

[knoxvols1]

No the point with Richt is he has lost his last 3 SECCG. So by the standard that we held Fulmer to should Richt be fired in your opinion?

It's not a trick question.[/QU This deal with comparing Fulmers 9 win seasons and Richts 11 and 12 win seasons is still not comparable. You guys are acting like a 9 and 10 win season is something great and, in actuality, it's not. I'm not going to figure the percentage but I do know that winning 8 or 9 games in a 12, 13 and some cases 14 game season is the equivalent to going 6 and 4 25 years ago!
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[Big_Orange_Fan]

PLEASE DEAR GOD MAKE IT STOP...................
Fulmer in a recent interveiw about him getting back into Coaching, said "after 36 years of coachin, I just didnt get dumb'!
Well, yes you did, you got dumb, lazy, complacent and started taking it for granted. It cost you your job and UT admin and ADs have made stupid hires since then.
Butt, the last this we need is to hire Fulmer back.....Please STOP it and lets move on....

Simple way to make it stop ... Don't open the tread. Not like you don't know what everyone is debating in here.

 

[whobethis16]

No the point with Richt is he has lost his last 3 SECCG. So by the standard that we held Fulmer to should Richt be fired in your opinion?

It's not a trick question.[/QU This deal with comparing Fulmers 9 win seasons and Richts 11 and 12 win seasons is still not comparable. You guys are acting like a 9 and 10 win season is something great and, in actuality, it's not. I'm not going to figure the percentage but I do know that winning 8 or 9 games in a 12, 13 and some cases 14 game season is the equivalent to going 6 and 4 25 years ago!
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Wow, your math is as terrible as your logic. 9 wins out of 12 is winning 75% of your games. 6 out of 10 is 60%.

 

[knoxvols1]

Wow, your math is as terrible as your logic. 9 wins out of 12 is winning 75% of your games. 6 out of 10 is 60%.[/QU Re-read that thread and allow it to make sense. 8 out of 12 games. 9 out of 13 or 14 game seasons. Do the math. You know, you Fulmerites make about as much sense when using his over-all record as me stating "back when I was young I had all the girls". "Yeah, I was really good looking and had a high paying engineering job so just because of that I should have this years homecoming queen". LMAO
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[Big_Orange_Fan]

Wow, your math is as terrible as your logic. 9 wins out of 12 is winning 75% of your games. 6 out of 10 is 60%.[/QU Re-read that thread and allow it to make sense. 8 out of 12 games. 9 out of 13 or 14 game seasons. Do the math. You know, you Fulmerites make about as much sense when using his over-all record as me stating "back when I was young I had all the girls". "Yeah, I was really good looking and had a high paying engineering job so just because of that I should have this years homecoming queen". LMAO
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Yep then you quit your job because someone promised you better hours and more pay and a year later they lay you off. Sitting there you find the best job you can and end up at Mcdonalds. But, instead of admitting you made a mistake and shouldn't have followed the false promises you tell yourself what a great move it was and how smart you are, righttt ... LMFAO

Also Knox you never answered the question.

Should Richt be fired by your standards? YES OR NO.

 

[volswillrise12]

I think it's harder to win in college football now then in Fulmer's prime years. We need to get over Phil and move on..he obviously has because he doesn't talk about it. I seriously think if the man wanted to coach he'd be coaching at some level in some capacity...but he hasn't because he's enjoying retirement.

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

I think it's harder to win in college football now then in Fulmer's prime years. We need to get over Phil and move on..he obviously has because he doesn't talk about it. I seriously think if the man wanted to coach he'd be coaching at some level in some capacity...but he hasn't because he's enjoying retirement.

I agree, but with some of the names we are throwing around right now if we can't get a top tier name I think Fulmer should at least be in the discussion. If he is not interested that would be fine with me.

 

[volswillrise12]

I agree, but with some of the names we are throwing around right now if we can't get a top tier name I think Fulmer should at least be in the discussion. If he is not interested that would be fine with me.

You know, all due respect to Phil (and I mean that) but what level of expectations would you have for the man coming into where this situation is now? It's painful to watch where this program currently stands--but I think I'd rather roll the dice with a coach that is in the game "now" and is "current" with the profession not one that is more or less retired and out of the game. I don't think you are giving enough respect and thoughtfulness to some of the coaches that have their name thrown in the ring for this job. You are telling me none of those guys deserves a chance or has the ability?

 

[sjrobert]

Wow, your math is as terrible as your logic. 9 wins out of 12 is winning 75% of your games. 6 out of 10 is 60%.

Fulmer's last two 9 and 10 win seasons, sandwiched between two losing seasons, both had 4 losses which equates to 7 wins and three losses for the old traditional 10 game season, so 6-4 was only a game off.

 

[sjrobert]

I agree, but with some of the names we are throwing around right now if we can't get a top tier name I think Fulmer should at least be in the discussion. If he is not interested that would be fine with me.

Whether he is interested or not isn't nearly as important as the divisiveness he would bring to the table. Fulmer's name is a pro-con flash point. Fulmer would love something that isn't going to happen. He badly wanted to surpass Neyland in all-time wins, as if somehow that validated him. He was not in Neyland's class.

 

[volfanecs]

Whether he is interested or not isn't nearly as important as the divisiveness he would bring to the table. Fulmer's name is a pro-con flash point. Fulmer would love something that isn't going to happen. He badly wanted to surpass Neyland in all-time wins, as if somehow that validated him. He was not in Neyland's class.

He has already been validated. He was our greatest coach EVER.

 

[volfanecs]

Somebody please give Fulmer a coaching job so we don't have to put up with him.

Exactly how are you putting up with him? You chose to open the thread.

 

[sjrobert]

He has already been validated. He was our greatest coach EVER.

Right, right. You must be from Winchester. Greatest coach accolades belong to Neyland.

 

[volfanecs]

Right, right. You must be from Winchester. Greatest coach accolades belong to Neyland.

Wrong, wrong. Wilmington, Ohio. I respect your opinion. I was just giving my opinion.

 

[volswillrise12]

I still am wondering about my question: Fulmer is not coming, so when faced with a choice where he isn't coming and choosing from a selection of the coaches that have been mentioned someone would choose a guy that does not want to come back and the AD and boosters aren't pushing for at all?

 

[volfanecs]

I still am wondering about my question: Fulmer is not coming, so when faced with a choice where he isn't coming and choosing from a selection of the coaches that have been mentioned someone would choose a guy that does not want to come back and the AD and boosters aren't pushing for at all?

How do you know for certain he will not return? The scenario being that he would be an interim hire until the so-called homerun hire can be made?

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

You know, all due respect to Phil (and I mean that) but what level of expectations would you have for the man coming into where this situation is now? It's painful to watch where this program currently stands--but I think I'd rather roll the dice with a coach that is in the game "now" and is "current" with the profession not one that is more or less retired and out of the game. I don't think you are giving enough respect and thoughtfulness to some of the coaches that have their name thrown in the ring for this job. You are telling me none of those guys deserves a chance or has the ability?

I don't think we should have fired him in the first place. Now giving the situation we are in now we need the best hire we can get period.

Now Stoops, Patterson, Peterson or Gruden. But, beep down I do not believe we will get them. When you start into the second tier Strong, Gundy, Golden, Fisher and such I would rather have Fulmer then gamble on the rest.

And then you hear people saying Petrino and Tressel again I would rather have Fulmer then gamble on them.
We need someone that will represent the university with the utmost care. We can not afford any trouble.

He's has been gone for 4 years, but then the same argument could be said of Gruden. I know Fulmer is still around the game and has done a few football camps. Just cause he's not on ESPN don't kid yourself that he has step away and ignorant to how things have changed.

 

[sjrobert]

How do you know for certain he will not return? The scenario being that he would be an interim hire until the so-called homerun hire can be made?

T-Rex isn't returning, bank on it. The scenario doesn't even favor an interim coach and if it did then Chaney would be a better choice.