Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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volfanecs said:
It is hard to understang firing a Hall of Fame, NC, and the man who built TN into a powerhouse. That is my difficulty.
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Most correctly, a powerhouse for a period in the 90s, and a national non-factor after the SECCG in 01, ie., no BCS, no top ten finishes, three non top 20 finishes, in short, not nationally relevant. All of which has been rehashed over and over again.
 
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sjrobert said:
Most correctly, a powerhouse for a period in the 90s, and a national non-factor after the SECCG in 01, ie., no BCS, no top ten finishes, three non top 20 finishes, in short, not nationally relevant. All of which has been rehashed over and over again.
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As I have said, a victim of his own success.
 
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sjrobert said:
His early success in the 90s, yes. But had PF not been a UT grad with that success, he wouldn't have lasted as long as he did, especially with the lack of relevance after 2001.
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You are what your record says you are....Bill Parcells. Contrast any other coach who had to compete in the caliber of the SEC.
 
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whobethis16 said:
So, if you were a Penn State fan, you'd think Paterno should've been fired in 1988 when he went 5-6. Or in 1984 when he went 6-5. Or 2000 when he went 5-7. Right?
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How did that end for Penn State???

Idiotic but not idiot....lol
 
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volfanecs said:
You are what your record says you are....Bill Parcells. Contrast any other coach who had to compete in the caliber of the SEC.
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With all due respect, that is one of your "old" refrains. How does competing in the SEC elevate PF's stature? PF was terminated, remember? 17-16 conference record counting his last SECCG loss, the last four years.
 
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sjrobert said:
With all due respect, that is one of your "old" refrains. How does competing in the SEC elevate PF's stature? PF was terminated, remember? 17-16 conference record counting his last SECCG loss, the last four years.
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Who the hell wouldn't feel good about that now?

We've had the worst SECE in a generation since Fulmer was fired. Give Muschamp a helluva pat on the back this year, but Fulmer never coached against a worst Florida team than the last three. All of the East teams, with the exception of Vanderbilt, are down compared to when Fulmer coached against them.

If Crompton could have played like he practiced, Fulmer would still be coach today. We definitely would have been back to Atlanta since.

Now, I can't guarantee we would have won the SECCG. And if that was the reason we fired Fulmer, then ANYONE who wanted Fulmer fired and was not all-in on Gruden is just a damn... well, it's Christmas, so I'll leave it there.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Who the hell wouldn't feel good about that now?

We've had the worst SECE in a generation since Fulmer was fired. Give Muschamp a helluva pat on the back this year, but Fulmer never coached against a worst Florida team than the last three. All of the East teams, with the exception of Vanderbilt, are down compared to when Fulmer coached against them.

If Crompton could have played like he practiced, Fulmer would still be coach today. We definitely would have been back to Atlanta since.

Now, I can't guarantee we would have won the SECCG. And if that was the reason we fired Fulmer, then ANYONE who wanted Fulmer fired and was not all-in on Gruden is just a damn... well, it's Christmas, so I'll leave it there.
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Ray Goff at Georgia.
who the hell ever at south Carolina
The three worst coaches ever at Bama
Vandy
Kentucky

This is who Fulmer made his living beating.

Please stop pretending Fulmer out coached hall of farmers.


When the rest of the SEC got serious about football, Fulmer was exposed. He WAS a great recruiter and motivated his players. He was never the guy that outcoached other coaches.
 
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if a coach wins a title, but several years later starts going downhill---should he be kept on the payroll and paid millions, because he once won a title?
 
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Just to make a point:

Fla- Ron Zook

Ga- Jim Donnan and Ray Goff

Bama- Mike Dubose, Dennis Franchione, Mike Shula

USCe- Brad Scott and Lou Holtz

Ark- Danny Ford and Houston Nutt

UK- Billy Curry, Hal Mumme, Guy Morriss, Rich Brooks

VU- Bobby Johnson, Woody Widenhofer, Rod Dowhower, Gerry Dinardo


This is how Fulmer got into the HOF. Not a great list of coaches. When going against prime coaches, Phil lost plenty.

Spurrier, Meyer, Richt, Miles, Saban, Paterno, Osborne.

These names all owned Phil in the SEC or bowls.

Notice the difference?

Phil deserves the credit he earned, but it is obvious that when the rest of the SEC improved, Phil sat still and got passed by.
 
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VolsRule said:
if a coach wins a title, but several years later starts going downhill---should he be kept on the payroll and paid millions, because he once won a title?
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So by your reasoning Neyland would have never won back to back NC's in 50 and 51'. In 46' they were trying to run Neyland out of Knoxville.

I hate to bring him up but Bear did the same thing. They were trying to run Bear out before he dominated the 70's. I believe it was 67'.
 
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Wylo said:
How did that end for Penn State???

Idiot.
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The law breaking is irrelevant regarding the arguments being made. This was based on you all saying Fulmer should've been fired after his one losing season. So, my comparison is accurate. So before you call me an idiot, think about what you're posting.
 
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whobethis16 said:
The law breaking is irrelevant regarding the arguments being made. This was based on you all saying Fulmer should've been fired after his one losing season. So, my comparison is accurate. So before you call me an idiot, think about what you're posting.
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Not that it makes it any better, but it should say idiotic. Again, still not nice, but not quite as dickish.

But I made my case a few posts up with the coaches Phil beat. The rest of the SEC passed Fulmer by. All of the big time schools.
 
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Wylo said:
Not that it makes it any better, but it should say idiotic. Again, still not nice, but not quite as dickish.

But I made my case a few posts up with the coaches Phil beat. The rest of the SEC passed Fulmer by. All of the big time schools.
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2001 1st in east
2003 tied for 1st
2004 1st in east
2007 1st in east
2007 SECCG loss by 1 TD

#5 recruiting class in the nation 2007.

You can post all the names you want the numbers back Fulmer up. He could still coach.

Now does any of this really matter at this point. It's 2012 and we are getting ready to start 2013. We have a new coach named Butch Jones. Let move on, it's time to let it go.

Go Big Orange!!!!!
 
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