Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

[whobethis16]

I stand corrected on the decade statement, PF did make the top ten once in his last nine years in the coaches and AP polls, 2001, when UT was 4th in both polls. And BCS? Where in Hades does BCS come into play? No one references a so-called BCS poll. In 2003 UT played in the Peach Bowl, not a BCS bowl. Again, selective, very selective, stats and incorrect and pointless as someone mentioned. BCS polls? Get real. BCS matters only for BCS bowl selections. And how many BCS bowls did PF have after the NC year? How many top ten finishes from 2002-2008? Not even any top 20 finishes from 02-08. All of which has been referenced before, innumerable times.

AP Polls
2001: 4th
2002: NR
2003: 15th
2004: 13th
2005: NR
2006: 25th
2007: 12th
2008: NR

Looks to me like he finished in the top 25 5 times in his last 8 years, top 15 4 times in his last 8 years. Wow, you make this WAY too easy.

 

[whobethis16]

I stand corrected on the decade statement, PF did make the top ten once in his last nine years in the coaches and AP polls, 2001, when UT was 4th in both polls. And BCS? Where in Hades does BCS come into play? No one references a so-called BCS poll. In 2003 UT played in the Peach Bowl, not a BCS bowl. Again, selective, very selective, stats and incorrect and pointless as someone mentioned. BCS polls? Get real. BCS matters only for BCS bowl selections. And how many BCS bowls did PF have after the NC year? How many top ten finishes from 2002-2008? Not even any top 20 finishes from 02-08. All of which has been referenced before, innumerable times.

Let's add the coaches' poll, just for funsies.

2001: N/A
2002: N/A
2003: N/A
2004: 15th
2005: NR
2006: 23rd
2007: 12th
2008: NR

But I'd imagine the N/As are very close to the AP poll.

 

[knoxvols1]

Same as the random publications that people claim as national championships. if there was an actual BCS title game that year, Tennessee would've been in the Sugar Bowl. That's the point.

But I'd still take multiple top 15 finishes and my argument completely counteracting anything promoting Bama/Florida in Fulmer's last 8 years, over what we will probably see over the next 5.

You know, your arguement would be sound if we were Dakota State (if there is such a school) but were not and don't strive for mediocrecy! The heat was actually turned on Fulmer after 03 season. There was even talk in Knoxville of bringing the Visor in as his replacement. Now, I venture whothisbe16 is Robert Peace's little brother??
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[whobethis16]

You know, your arguement would be sound if we were Dakota State (if there is such a school) but were not and don't strive for mediocrecy! The heat was actually turned on Fulmer after 03 season. There was even talk in Knoxville of bringing the Visor in as his replacement. Now, I venture whothisbe16 is Robert Peace's little brother??
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I still say competing for conference championships, being ranked in the top 25 more often than not, and going to bowl games is a helluva lot better than trying not to go 0-fer in the conference. You do realize that we will most likely go 10 years without playing for the conference championship while we went every 3rd year with Fulmer? And yet you still say we are better off. Unbelievable.

 

[Gramps]

AP Polls
2001: 4th
2002: NR
2003: 15th
2004: 13th
2005: NR
2006: 25th
2007: 12th
2008: NR

Looks to me like he finished in the top 25 5 times in his last 8 years, top 15 4 times in his last 8 years. Wow, you make this WAY too easy.

2001 should have been NC game but blew it in SECCG. This was the best team during the Fulmer years and the SECCG lose was the start of the TN downturn to medoricy.

2005 preseason top 5 , total flop.

2007 12th is overrated after the blowout loses TN had.

2008 another failed season with an embarrassing lose to Wyoming.

 

[GreveHaller]

2008 another failed season with an embarrassing lose to Wyoming.

A week after he was told he would not return. Yet another poor example.

Sad, Gramps. Memory is the first thing to go

 

[whobethis16]

A week after he was told he would not return. Yet another poor example.

Sad, Gramps. Memory is the first thing to go

Exactly. That season would've been, at worst 6-7 with a bowl loss, but most likely 7-6 with a bowl win had that not happened. And they are begging to win 7 nowadays.

 

[Remy]

PF was so highly regarded in the profession, nobody else could see fit to hire him. Look, he had a good run, but HCs are like boxers or running backs, they only have so many hits in them. PF's time came and went. he had plenty of time to turn things around and did not/could not, he had to go and stayed longer than he should, he left a bunch of kids that couldn't play Division III ball on the roster, to which Kiffin AND Dooley both reaped for a few years.

 

[Gramps]

A week after he was told he would not return. Yet another poor example.

Sad, Gramps. Memory is the first thing to go

I am sorry to hear you are having trouble recalling things.

 

[whobethis16]

2001 should have been NC game but blew it in SECCG. This was the best team during the Fulmer years and the SECCG lose was the start of the TN downturn to medoricy.

2005 preseason top 5 , total flop.

2007 12th is overrated after the blowout loses TN had.

2008 another failed season with an embarrassing lose to Wyoming.

People whose opinion matters a lot more than yours say otherwise about the rankings. 2005, if Ainge hadn't gotten injured, who knows what would've happened. As was said, Wyoming would not have ever happened if he hadn't been let go 5 days before, in turn being bowl eligible, etc.

 

[whobethis16]

I am sorry to hear you are having trouble recalling things.

Really? He was told on Nov. 3rd, resignation speech on Nov. 4th, and played Wyoming on Nov. 8th. You're really trying to say HIS memory is bad?

 

[whobethis16]

PF was so highly regarded in the profession, nobody else could see fit to hire him. Look, he had a good run, but HCs are like boxers or running backs, they only have so many hits in them. PF's time came and went. he had plenty of time to turn things around and did not/could not, he had to go and stayed longer than he should, he left a bunch of kids that couldn't play Division III ball on the roster, to which Kiffin AND Dooley both reaped for a few years.

Yeah, that #3 recruiting class in 2007 and what finished as #35, but would've been top 15 had he not been fired were SOOO bad.

Edit: I am already retracting the defense for the 08 class, was thinking about the 09 class.

 

[whobethis16]

PF was so highly regarded in the profession, nobody else could see fit to hire him. Look, he had a good run, but HCs are like boxers or running backs, they only have so many hits in them. PF's time came and went. he had plenty of time to turn things around and did not/could not, he had to go and stayed longer than he should, he left a bunch of kids that couldn't play Division III ball on the roster, to which Kiffin AND Dooley both reaped for a few years.

You, like everyone else arguing that, have NO idea what happened in any meetings Fulmer may have had with any teams. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, he loses his buyout if he accepted a job. Why work when you get paid millions to do nothing and love where you live?

 

[Spartacavolus]

You, like everyone else arguing that, have NO idea what happened in any meetings Fulmer may have had with any teams. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, he loses his buyout if he accepted a job. Why work when you get paid millions to do nothing and love where you live?

If a coach isn't getting back into coaching because he can sit on a buyout and do nothing, his drive is gone, and why in the world should any school have a HC leading their team that would rather be paid to do nothing? It's a tough job, and you sure as hell better have somebody out there that has the drive and wants to coach, recruit, and put in the hours, rather than milking cash. I see a lot of people being objective here, and you aren't one of them.

 

[whobethis16]

If a coach isn't getting back into coaching because he can sit on a buyout and do nothing, his drive is gone, and why in the world should any school have a HC leading their team that would rather be paid to do nothing? It's a tough job, and you sure as hell better have somebody out there that has the drive and wants to coach, recruit, and put in the hours, rather than milking cash. I see a lot of people being objective here, and you aren't one of them.

Everything I've said has been "may" or "what if" or "I think" etc. Therefore, it is just my opinion. How in the world is "Fulmer was lazy", which has been a common argument for the other side, objective? I have provided plenty of REAL facts, ie the final rankings, that have proven others wrong, yet I am a biased poster. Interesting.

 

[Gramps]

Yeah, that #3 recruiting class in 2007 and what finished as #35, but would've been top 15 had he not been fired were SOOO bad.

Edit: I am already retracting the defense for the 08 class, was thinking about the 09 class.

Serious question. Are you 16?

 

[whobethis16]

Serious question. Are you 16?

No, I'm not.

 

[knoxvols1]

No, I'm not.[/QU12?
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[DjCrenshaw]

No, I'm not.

 

[volfanecs]

As opposed to a good mistake???

I am plenty over it. He was fired. He will not coach at UT again. That is a good thing.

There are honest mistakes and stupid mistakes. Firing CPF was a stupid mistake.

 

[whobethis16]

If you really must know, I'm 24. But the most fascinating thing about this whole deal, is you all (the ones who are so set that Fulmer was terrible) are walking proof of the theories that I studied in undergrad. And it is amazing how, even at your "mature age", you result to childish antics when you get proven wrong. For example, Gramps was POSITIVE he was right regarding the timeline of Fulmer and the loss to Wyoming. But with a few clicks of the keyboard, I proved him wrong, and then he starts calling me a child because he has no other way to win. And then the whole "Fulmer didn't finish in the top 20 in his last 8 years" was proven wrong, and the guy disappears. See, I'll admit when I'm wrong when facts, not speculations, are presented to me. You all try to weasel your way out of it. Incredible. Researchers in my field would have a ball seeing the theories work in the world. Simply incredible.

 

[Big Orange 1]

If you really must know, I'm 24. But the most fascinating thing about this whole deal, is you all (the ones who are so set that Fulmer was terrible) are walking proof of the theories that I studied in undergrad. And it is amazing how, even at your "mature age", you result to childish antics when you get proven wrong. For example, Gramps was POSITIVE he was right regarding the timeline of Fulmer and the loss to Wyoming. But with a few clicks of the keyboard, I proved him wrong, and then he starts calling me a child because he has no other way to win. And then the whole "Fulmer didn't finish in the top 20 in his last 8 years" was proven wrong, and the guy disappears. See, I'll admit when I'm wrong when facts, not speculations, are presented to me. You all try to weasel your way out of it. Incredible. Researchers in my field would have a ball seeing the theories work in the world. Simply incredible.

Some of these "fans" are just gonna hate. It doesnt matter. My God, pages back I and a few others had to defend our national championship team. To some of the people in denial on here, Fulmer could have donated organs to save lives and he would have been wrong. I've almost quit trying. But then again, Im one of those silly people who appreciate a guy that won 3 out of every 4 games. Now, come on haters tell me how he didnt beat Saban, Meyer, and yada, yada, yada. Krispy Kreme, yada, yada, yada. Denial is beautiful, deny on.

 

[Gramps]

If you really must know, I'm 24. But the most fascinating thing about this whole deal, is you all (the ones who are so set that Fulmer was terrible) are walking proof of the theories that I studied in undergrad. And it is amazing how, even at your "mature age", you result to childish antics when you get proven wrong. For example, Gramps was POSITIVE he was right regarding the timeline of Fulmer and the loss to Wyoming. But with a few clicks of the keyboard, I proved him wrong, and then he starts calling me a child because he has no other way to win. And then the whole "Fulmer didn't finish in the top 20 in his last 8 years" was proven wrong, and the guy disappears. See, I'll admit when I'm wrong when facts, not speculations, are presented to me. You all try to weasel your way out of it. Incredible. Researchers in my field would have a ball seeing the theories work in the world. Simply incredible.

Your posting that proved me wrong must have been deleted. I never saw it. Your screenname, whobethis16 is the reason I ask if you were 16.
It is sad that you are not old enough to remember the rise to power during the Johnny Majors era, the change of regimes and the glory years of the Fulmer era.
If you were old enough to have saw this you would realize that the Fulmer of the 1990's and the Fulmer of the 2000's were very different.Fulmer brought greatness to the program then he let it dwindle away to mediocrity.
That is fact. I give Fulmer credit for his glory years and I give him.credit for becoming complacent in the 2000's.
Anyone who says Fulmer was doing a good job the last few years is not looking at reality.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

He sucked as a recruiter. Only 6 players of his are in the Pro Bowl this year. Darn you Phil.

Only 6 huh? Darn Phil is right.
Isn't that like the most of any coach, current or otherwise (fired, or retired)?

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

If you really must know, I'm 24. But the most fascinating thing about this whole deal, is you all (the ones who are so set that Fulmer was terrible) are walking proof of the theories that I studied in undergrad. And it is amazing how, even at your "mature age", you result to childish antics when you get proven wrong. For example, Gramps was POSITIVE he was right regarding the timeline of Fulmer and the loss to Wyoming. But with a few clicks of the keyboard, I proved him wrong, and then he starts calling me a child because he has no other way to win. And then the whole "Fulmer didn't finish in the top 20 in his last 8 years" was proven wrong, and the guy disappears. See, I'll admit when I'm wrong when facts, not speculations, are presented to me. You all try to weasel your way out of it. Incredible. Researchers in my field would have a ball seeing the theories work in the world. Simply incredible.

I am 37 and have no clue what field you are in, but your logic is better than most on here. This "debate" is insane. I have been posting in this thread for 3 years (so has volfanecs). Many Fulmer haters have came and went. All with tail tightly tucked. It appears that nothing will change, thanks to the young guns.