Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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Rasputin_Vol said:
So basically, we have worse odds than an LSU team that lost Hester, Dorsey, Perrilloux, and Matt Flynn.

Is that a point to be bragging about or what? I'm not certain of what your motivation is in saying that UT had similar (or actually worse) odds than LSU... :unsure:
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It was just in reference to 07's post about good teams in the conference. UF and Georgia have us beat in vegas by a longshot, but LSU is quite close (and Auburn has better odds than LSU)....I was just offering that as a measuring stick against his comments.

I don't think that having the 6th best odds (or so...is it 5th?) in the conference is something to be excited about.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The point is, where is your cut off where the past becomes irrelevent? Last year? 2005? 1998? At what point should we not consider the past? Because based on what I've seen, 1998 is used as a justification to give Fulmer a raise/extension (very distant past) and 2007 is used as a reason for a raise/extension.

Seems as though 2005 is ignored in terms of being a reason why he shouldn't receive any more compensation. And seems like the last 9 years without an SEC title or anything else of significance is ignored also.
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Ooops....I posted in the wrong thread earlier...too many cocktails.
 
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ShowMeVol said:
I don't see where this was a thread was about how much CPF sucks & how he is overpaid.... there are plenty of those threads out there..... not EVERY thread has to be turned into this same old tired discussion.
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Isn't the name of this thread The Fulmer Debate II? :unsure:
 
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, just like he did in 2005.
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I don't feel like he is talking like he was before the 2005 season. I remember some of his interviews then and he was pretty sure of himself and his team. Almost arrogant if you will.

I did not get the feeling at all by listening to what he said this year. I even watched them interview him on CSS sports at SEC Media Days. He did say he thought Foster was a little unappreciated. He also seemed to be a little irritated we were being picked 3rd in the East and possibly 4th behind South Carolina considering how we finished last year and who we have returning. I admit, I agree with him on that one. I think we deserve better too.

As far as him shooting his mouth off like he did in 2005, I didn't get that at all.
 
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dickens821 said:
You were the one who brought up how often we win double digit games. On average we win at least 10 every other year.
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Well, I had a big elaborate post typed out explaining my views, but the thread got merged and my post was lost. So I'll summarize

UGA-has emerged as a top caliber football team
UF-has had 3 coaches and have won a national title and are now right there with UGA at the top in college football in the nation
USC-has went from awful to a top 25 team
Alabama-now has the best coach in college football and should be competing for national titles by '09 or '10
LSU-has won 2 NT's. Saban built an incredible program and won. Miles took over and has went 3-0 in bowl games including 2 BCS blowout wins and a national title
Auburn-Tubberville has owned Fulmer and has had an undefeated season. The Tigers are a top 15 football program in the nation
Arkansas-lucked up with 2 terrific backs and had some successful results. Now, they should fade into the 4th-6th battle in the West for the upcoming years

We've managed to be consistently average. We've played for a couple of SEC titles, but haven't advanced. '03 was the only year we really overachieved. '05 was a joke. Other than that we've had some average seasons, nothing special, nothing too awful.

Like I said earlier, I don't expect to win 11-12 games a year, but can't we compete every 2-3 years for a BCS title. It can be done in the SEC (look at LSU, Florida, UGA). The ratings for us don't lie, look at how many games were not on TV last year. That says it all
 
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TennTradition said:
It was just in reference to 07's post about good teams in the conference. UF and Georgia have us beat in vegas by a longshot, but LSU is quite close (and Auburn has better odds than LSU)....I was just offering that as a measuring stick against his comments.

I don't think that having the 6th best odds (or so...is it 5th?) in the conference is something to be excited about.
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But my point is that both LSU and Auburn have had years in which they have, or nearly have, won titles. We've not
 
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I agree with TennesseeFan. IMO, everything has been going downhill since the 2001 SEC championship game. Fulmer had his chance to take over the SEC and lost it.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
But my point is that both LSU and Auburn have had years in which they have, or nearly have, won titles. We've not
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Fair enough..I went back and re-read your post and realized you said "programs" not "teams." So...you can disregard my comments - they were directed more towards the best teams in the conference. We've obviously been having some tough times on the Hill as a program....still great to be a Vol...but I would love to be a Vol with a few more SEC championships to be proud of.
 
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chavisut said:
I agree with TennesseeFan. IMO, everything has been going downhill since the 2001 SEC championship game. Fulmer had his chance to take over the SEC and lost it.
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Fulmer has received a new life by the hiring of all the new coaches, especially Dave Clawson. Everyone, including myself, is expecting great things this year. If UT stinks it up and the coaches fail miserably, this might be the end or very close to the end of him, regardless of raises or contract extensions. However, I personally expect a good year for the program. I will be very surprised if they flop.
 
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tennisguy said:
Fulmer has received a new life by the hiring of all the new coaches, especially Dave Clawson. Everyone, including myself, is expecting great things this year. If UT stinks it up and the coaches fail miserably, this might be the end or very close to the end of him, regardless of raises or contract extensions. However, I personally expect a good year for the program. I will be very surprised if they flop.
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Until he flips over the defensive staff, I will continue to be cynical.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Until he flips over the defenesive staff, I will contniue to be cynical.
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I can't say I disagree with you on that. I would like to see a few changes on the defensive side myself. I am just keeping my fingers crossed that the secondary will be as good as we all think and things will be okay.
 
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TennTradition said:
Fair enough..I went back and re-read your post and realized you said "programs" not "teams." So...you can disregard my comments - they were directed more towards the best teams in the conference. We've obviously been having some tough times on the Hill as a program....still great to be a Vol...but I would love to be a Vol with a few more SEC championships to be proud of.
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You had a fair point. It just gets old for me being around 3rd-5th in the SEC every year overall. Especially because it's not the same 2-3 teams beating us. There's 5-6 teams that are right there with us. 2-3 may have a bad year(7-8 wins) and 2-3 will be right up there while we're in the middle. The next year the 2-3 teams that had the bad year we'll be competing after reloading a bit and the 2-3 teams that were the top the previous year have now fallen to 3-5. Meanwhile, we're still in the middle. I know it's confusing, but just something that irritates me.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Until he flips over the defensive staff, I will continue to be cynical.
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If we have a lousy year due to defense he'll just make excuses. At most he'd make one position coach change if it was really bad.

And then Fulmer gets a new life..........again. :eek:lol:
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
You had a fair point. It just gets old for me being around 3rd-5th in the SEC every year overall. Especially because it's not the same 2-3 teams beating us. There's 5-6 teams that are right there with us. 2-3 may have a bad year(7-8 wins) and 2-3 will be right up there while we're in the middle. The next year the 2-3 teams that had the bad year we'll be competing after reloading a bit and the 2-3 teams that were the top the previous year have now fallen to 3-5. Meanwhile, we're still in the middle. I know it's confusing, but just something that irritates me.
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In other words, when most top SEC teams have rebuilding years, there is actually some rebuilding occurring.
 
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