Fulmer Debate II

Going from 10 to 9 to 8 to 8 wins is a trend that will get you fired at a school like Georgia, and it should.

There's a reason Donnan is unemployed, and it ain't just cause he's a prick (Petrino). Had to run a ponzi scheme to make ends meet. Lol!

Still . . . how do you square arguing that CPF's success was due to everybody else sucking when the two best years of his career, he had 2 other teams in his own division winning 10/10 and 10/9 games? Also had a cross divisional opponent (Arkansas) winning 9 games during the national championship year.

Maybe you can argue that the coaching quality has gone up to some degree and that caused him problems later in his career. But to carry it further and denigrate the success from early in his career is weak.
 
UT's problems had little to do with the decision to cut ol Phil loose but more to do with the poor choices after. They dug a hole that will take years to climb out of. That piece of dirt at Southern Cal is mainly responsible. Go Vols

If you have $3 to your name you don't go eat at red lobster, you eat off the dollar menu at McDonald's.
 
So you believe Fulmer should still be our coach?

We believe someone better than Fulmer should be the coach...Not a golden boy that brought his father along to get the job, or a loser from LA Tech...

The problem's not with the firing of Fulmer, but the poor hiring's since the firing
 
We believe someone better than Fulmer should be the coach...Not a golden boy that brought his father along to get the job, or a loser from LA Tech...

The problem's not with the firing of Fulmer, but the poor hiring's since the firing

I believe the same thing

Who are we??LOL
 
We believe someone better than Fulmer should be the coach...Not a golden boy that brought his father along to get the job, or a loser from LA Tech...

The problem's not with the firing of Fulmer, but the poor hiring's since the firing

This^^^^^

And I would add that the way it went down was disgraceful.
 
I grew up in Tennessee so I should've known. We has one fairly close a long time ago but it closed down.
Same thing happened to my brother in Dallas. Had one down the street from him that was his guilty pleasure but it too shut down.
 
We had plenty of resources to hire a coach.
Again, the fault lies directly on MH

Even if CPF should have been fired, it was done badly

His hand picked coach to replace him was an up-n-comer who had never been a college HC and his only HC experience was being a loser

After said loser left, MH couldn't close the deal to get a proven coach. Instead we got a loser mid major because Hammy couldn't sell the product.
 
They Still have the Alabama Machine and Brain Trust etc....not sure how much you know about the history of the SEC and college football. The Alabama booster organizations behind the program is the closest thing to the mafia in college sports. Look up Colliers magazine article and you get an idea just how long they been at this...

if that's all true, than any coach just shows up at alabama and wins big, by cheating, paying players, paying high school coaches, etc. it's not that simple: bill curry couldn't win consistently, david shula could never win big, the list goes on. Only Bear, Stallings and Saban have won titles in the last 50 years at alabama.
 

If money was such a restriction as you suggest, then why....

Tennessee's new coaching staff will earn $5.325 million this season, including $3.325 million in salary for its nine assistant coaches, UT announced Thursday.

The latter sum is the highest in the SEC, surpassing the $2.405 million Alabama paid its assistant coaches for the 2008 season by more than $900,000, and is believed to be the highest in college football.

$3.325M salary for assistants likely highest in college football » GoVolsXtra

We weren't just eating at Red Lobster. We were buying every one.
 
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So you don't think UT will ever be as good as it was in the 90s?Ever again?

LOL...I understand what you're saying, I just don't buy into that thought process

It's time to move on from the past.

Two reasons. First, Tennessee depends on other talent-rich programs being on down cycles more; I seriously doubt that will occur with the degree it took place in the 80's and 90's. Second, Fulmer was a very rare recruiter; no other coach has shown a 10+ year ability to land top-5 recruiting classes an average of once every three years or more.

What changed? First, ESPN revolutionized college football. Every program has serious cash, and with that cash, we have professionalized coaches who are highly unlikely to let their programs slip continually. Second, the SEC integrated, which is what made the pre-1975 comparisons to college football mostly irrelevant.

If you want to see additional examples, look at the non-talent rich programs across the country and their inability to compete at a top-10 level since the early part of the 2000's. Nebraska, the program most like us in combining great tradition with limited local talent, has tried three different style coaches, and none has returned them anywhere close to their glory days.

My take on Fulmer was not that he would return us to the 90's status; it was that his 2000 teams were still over-performing compared to what his likely replacements would perform. Fulmer didn't change; the circumstances changed, but his unusual recruiting ability kept us above where we would be without him. Now we get to see in live color what a Fulmer-less Tennessee team really looks like.
 
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it's not irrational to fire a coach who stops winning and stops recruiting

Record in Fulmer's Last 4 Seasons: 29-21
Record in 4 Seasons Since Fulmer's Firing: 23-28

# of Top-5 Classes in Fulmer's Last 4 Recruiting Classes: 2
# of Top-5 Classes Since Fulmer's Firing: 0
 
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Two reasons. First, Tennessee depends on other talent-rich programs being on down cycles more; I seriously doubt that will occur with the degree it took place in the 80's and 90's. Second, Fulmer was a very rare recruiter; no other coach has shown a 10+ year ability to land top-5 recruiting classes an average of once every three years or more.

What changed? First, ESPN revolutionized college football. Every program has serious cash, and with that cash, we have professionalized coaches who are highly unlikely to let their programs slip continually. Second, the SEC integrated, which is what made the pre-1975 comparisons to college football mostly irrelevant.

If you want to see additional examples, look at the non-talent rich programs across the country and their inability to compete at a top-10 level since the early part of the 2000's. Nebraska, the program most like us in combining great tradition with limited local talent, has tried three different style coaches, and none has returned them anywhere close to their glory days.

My take on Fulmer was not that he would return us to the 90's status; it was that his 2000 teams were still over-performing compared to what his likely replacements would perform. Fulmer didn't change; the circumstances changed, but his unusual recruiting ability kept us above where we would be without him. Now we get to see in live color what a Fulmer-less Tennessee team really looks like.

I think this is a great point and one that I have made in discussions with people about college football. I have directly compared Tennessee to Nebraska in terms of the tradition/difficult to recruit combo. The only difference is that Nebraska plays in the Big 12/Big 10, and their "down cycle" (at least under Pelini) has consisted of nothing but 9 and 10 win seasons.

I'm not sure about the bolded statement though. By 2008, it was pretty clear Fulmer couldn't recruit with the likes of Saban, Miles, Richt, Meyer, and even Spurrier. He had produced 2 5-win seasons himself in 4 years.
 

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