Fulmer Debate II

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#752
During his last 5 years EVERYONE was calling for him to be gone! All the post game shows, all the fans and even the boosters! You guys rely on his record which the bulk came when he took over an already established program! It's not like he took over a program that's in the shaoe it is now and built it into a power. Rather he did the opposite!
 
#753
#753
Well no, not everyone. My hope is that VolNation and the University have learned a little about patience in the disastrous years since, however unlikely that may be. Coach Jones is going to need a few years or we can extend the debacle even further.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
During his last 5 years EVERYONE was calling for him to be gone! All the post game shows, all the fans and even the boosters! You guys rely on his record which the bulk came when he took over an already established program! It's not like he took over a program that's in the shaoe it is now and built it into a power. Rather he did the opposite!
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Really? Then how do you explain his success at his current HC job? That team has always been terrible and he's got them in BCS contention.
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PimpVol said:
17 years. 15 of 8 or more wins. 2 losing seasons during that time. Hard to fire this coach. Unless you have better lined up. But as we can see, better wasn't lined up. So the firing of Fulmer looks like a knee jerk reaction instead of a plan to get better.
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Nailed it! This is 100% correct. Spoiled, bandwagon fans imposing their uneducated will upon a spineless AD.

Nothing else can be said. You may now close this thread, we figured it out. Thank you.
 
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govols/cc said:
Poop in one hand & wish for a national championship coach in the other. Nobody wanted the job.
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Better coaches than Dooley wanted the job, or at the least were interested, namely Sumlin.

If Dooley was truly the best they could get, then the smart thing to do would have been what OSU did, let someone interim a year.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
During his last 5 years EVERYONE was calling for him to be gone! All the post game shows, all the fans and even the boosters! You guys rely on his record which the bulk came when he took over an already established program! It's not like he took over a program that's in the shaoe it is now and built it into a power. Rather he did the opposite!
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Rely on the recruiting he was doing as an OC. Or the records his offense set during that time. Rely on the fact that we won 100 more games than we lost during his time. Rely on the fact that we won a national title.

Or, just rely on "EVERYONE" calling for him to be gone.

Fairly easy to see the aftermath has not went well. Which means the plan wasn't thought out to well.
 
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#761
Are you implying that Kiffin is/was a national championship caliber coach? As I recall, we were relying on his father in tow to build a program. All due respect to Monte Kiffin, he is one of the best, but Lane? Really?
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Exactly. The past 5 years (assuming UT wins out) the UT record is 29-33. Fulmers last 5 "terrible" years he was 39-24...and actually had 3 top 25 rankings. The last time UT was a top 10 team was 2001..
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You have stated perfectly why Phillip got what he deserved.....

The last time UT was a top 10 team was 2001. He wasn't fired till 2008.
 
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MedicT said:
Are you implying that Kiffin is/was a national championship caliber coach? As I recall, we were relying on his father in tow to build a program. All due respect to Monte Kiffin, he is one of the best, but Lane? Really?
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No I am implying that other coaches were interested in the TN job when Lane was hired. Due to the timing of Lane's departure a few weeks from signing day , not many were interested when Dooley was hired.

I was replying to a poster that said no one wanted the job
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Better coaches than Dooley wanted the job, or at the least were interested, namely Sumlin.

If Dooley was truly the best they could get, then the smart thing to do would have been what OSU did, let someone interim a year.
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The last 3 coaching hires have shown who really wanted the job. How many offers were turned down?
 
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gocc said:
The last 3 coaching hires have shown who really wanted the job. How many offers were turned down?
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Because UT tries to hire on the cheap. You get what you pay for.

You want to produce cheap results, hire cheap coaches.

UT does. It likely won't change until real money is spent.

Best staff in America(on a budget)
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Exactly. The past 5 years (assuming UT wins out) the UT record is 29-33. Fulmers last 5 "terrible" years he was 39-24...and actually had 3 top 25 rankings. The last time UT was a top 10 team was 2001..
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It wasnt a mistake to fire Fulmer. The guy had lost his voice in the locker room. The team was losing to the likes of Wyoming and Vanderbilt.

In Fulmer's last few years, Tennessee played like a 7-5 football team. Now we are like a 5-7 football team.

Not much different that when Fulmer was fired.

The problem was that Tennessee fired Fulmer as a knee jerk reaction and without having a clear cut successor waiting in the wings. Mike Hamilton screwed everything up hiring Kiffin and then Dooley.

You could tell what kind of guy Hamilton was when he hired Kiffin and Bruce Pearl. He wanted loud, garish, against the grain coaches who "made noise". We got burned with both those hires.

Dooley was just a bi-product of the original mistake of hiring Kiffin. The way that Hamilton screwed that up was by giving Dooley so much money and years on his contract.

Dooley should have been like John L Smith was. A one year "seat warmer" coach until Tennessee found the long term answer.

Again, that was Hamilton's screw up as well.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
It wasnt a mistake to fire Fulmer. The guy had lost his voice in the locker room. The team was losing to the likes of Wyoming and Vanderbilt.

In Fulmer's last few years, Tennessee played like a 7-5 football team. Now we are like a 5-7 football team.

Not much different that when Fulmer was fired.

The problem was that Tennessee fired Fulmer as a knee jerk reaction and without having a clear cut successor waiting in the wings. Mike Hamilton screwed everything up hiring Kiffin and then Dooley.

You could tell what kind of guy Hamilton was when he hired Kiffin and Bruce Pearl. He wanted loud, garish, against the grain coaches who "made noise". We got burned with both those hires.

Dooley was just a bi-product of the original mistake of hiring Kiffin. The way that Hamilton screwed that up was by giving Dooley so much money and years on his contract.

Dooley should have been like John L Smith was. A one year "seat warmer" coach until Tennessee found the long term answer.

Again, that was Hamilton's screw up as well.
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In Tennessee, we call the top half of your post hogwash.

The bottom half of your post, regarding Hambone, is spot-on.
 
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Wylo said:
Because UT tries to hire on the cheap. You get what you pay for.

You want to produce cheap results, hire cheap coaches.

UT does. It likely won't change until real money is spent.

Best staff in America(on a budget)
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Sounds like you're writing off Butch here...
 
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