Fulmer Debate II

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Slydell said:
Didn't say that. Only meant he's doing well in his endeavors. He deserved every cent he got through the contracts. That's what they're for.
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and I agree but the way it was phrased by the poster he seemed to be a bit miffed that Phil earned a salary both on and off the field
 
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butchna said:
No...You have company in that opinion...I'm in the other court. I raved on and on back in the day...on tos...about how Coach Fulmer had earned the right to leave on his own terms WHEN HE WANTED...And comparisons to other great coaches who were given opportunities to adjust and reinvent came up in said rants....But there was a downward arc that coincided with his last seven years...I don't label it as complacency or laziness like other posters have opined. Coach Fulmer was a success at every rung of his career...OL Coach...OC...and of course, head coach. The national championship was a culmination of all his strengths...recruiting, player relationships and development, loyalty to his system and assistants and immersion of all Vol tradition. He was Tennessee at it's best...But even at his best, he was outcoached technically by many of his peers...most notably Spurrier and Richt...imo...there's no shame in that of course, and his plusses regularly kept him at the top. Cutcliffe tended to the offense and ingrained fundamentals and basics along with a scheme that maximized the potential of Fulmer's star recruits....when he left,the sheer talent on the team had us coasting for three years under Sanders,but for whatever reason, the new talent didn't develop...probably due to new coaching growing pains. Since Fulmer was a successful OC, it was assumed he could groom a new Cutcliffe....but he was never able to...overcompensating via micromanaging after Cut's second departure was the proverbial STRAW...Fulmer lost control of the program at the end....talent didn't develop and players were undisciplined and off-field issues became a constant theme....it was bad at the end...just because there were bad hires after his firing doesn't change that.
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This
 
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We can't forget that Taj Boyd would have been wearing the "pretty orange" also, had the dumbass that replaced him not ran him off. The people that wanted CPF gone, all they have to hang their hat on is that Phil is not coaching. Really, I guess Charlie Weis is a better coach, he has a job. I guess Tuberville is a better coach, he has a job. I guess Lane Kiffin ooops sorry, he cant win at freakin Southern Cal. Go ahead make your fat jokes, your unemployed jokes, and all that BS. It will make you feel better while we're losing to Vandy. You got what you wanted, bash away.
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
We can't forget that Taj Boyd would have been wearing the "pretty orange" also, had the dumbass that replaced him not ran him off. The people that wanted CPF gone, all they have to hang their hat on is that Phil is not coaching. Really, I guess Charlie Weis is a better coach, he has a job. I guess Tuberville is a better coach, he has a job. I guess Lane Kiffin ooops sorry, he cant win at freakin Southern Cal. Go ahead make your fat jokes, your unemployed jokes, and all that BS. It will make you feel better while we're losing to Vandy. You got what you wanted, bash away.
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We would be 18 - 20 wins better if we keep Phil. The SECE has never been weaker.

Joke is on us. Let's hope BuJo is the real deal and this class gets signed and lives up to billing.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
We would be 18 - 20 wins better if we keep Phil. The SECE has never been weaker.

Joke is on us. Let's hope BuJo is the real deal and this class gets signed and lives up to billing.
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Agreed, Love CBJ. He will do great things here I truly believe. Replacing CPF without a plan and ending up with the 2 bozos that replaced him. ick.
 
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MFL said:
question....can Fulmer bet out Munchak for the Vandy job now that Franklin goes to PSU
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That's all poor ole Fill needs is another school beating the door down to sign him to a contract. I don't know how the feller gets ANY sleep with so many schools pestering him for all these coaching vacancies. It has to drive one crazy. But, that is to be expected with someone of such high esteem, that instills discipline in his players, recruits athletes with outstanding character, won't tolerate drug usage. No sirree ..... they all know his players have to walk a tight line. What a coach! I'll bet his name is mentioned on ESPN with every coaching vacancy.
 
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volfanecs said:
Yeah well I bet his replacements would have liked to have "backed into the SECCG".
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As a fan I woukd have liked any of the coaches to back into the SECCG every year! Fact is the we've been in an extended down turn but that is not to the firing of CPF! He is the reason we started heading down this path in the first place!
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
We can't forget that Taj Boyd would have been wearing the "pretty orange" also, had the dumbass that replaced him not ran him off.
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That's a misleading argument.

Boyd ended up having to have knee surgery right before he got to Clemson to repair an injury from high school. He had to redshirt, and wasn't even at 100% until the following fall and he didn't play much as a redshirt freshman. He would have had the surgery had he ended up at UT and he wouldn't have been ready to play at UT until his third year, either.
 
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TennesseeThumper said:
That's a misleading argument.

Boyd ended up having to have knee surgery right before he got to Clemson to repair an injury from high school. He had to redshirt, and wasn't even at 100% until the following fall and he didn't play much as a redshirt freshman. He would have had the surgery had he ended up at UT and he wouldn't have been ready to play at UT until his third year, either.
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So we would have had an NFL QB (Coleman), backed up by Bryce Petty (a record breaker at Baylor), with Boyd (an All-American at Clemson) redshirting. Sounds a lot better than having none of those three, which is what Kiffin did. At least Kiffin picked Simms over Cam Newton:)
 
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VegasVol said:
So we would have had an NFL QB (Coleman), backed up by Bryce Petty (a record breaker at Baylor), with Boyd (an All-American at Clemson) redshirting. Sounds a lot better than having none of those three, which is what Kiffin did. At least Kiffin picked Simms over Cam Newton:)
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Big fan of BJ Coleman, but he wasn't/isn't an NFL QB. He didn't make the Packers squad and he hasn't been on an NFL roster.

Not defending Kiffin. He was a nut case. Just setting the record straight that Boyd wouldn't have been Fulmer's saving grace. Fulmer needed immediate help. Boyd was 3 years away from playing.
 
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LookinUp said:
That's all poor ole Fill needs is another school beating the door down to sign him to a contract. I don't know how the feller gets ANY sleep with so many schools pestering him for all these coaching vacancies. It has to drive one crazy. But, that is to be expected with someone of such high esteem, that instills discipline in his players, recruits athletes with outstanding character, won't tolerate drug usage. No sirree ..... they all know his players have to walk a tight line. What a coach! I'll bet his name is mentioned on ESPN with every coaching vacancy.
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It must suck to be you.
 
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LookinUp said:
That's all poor ole Fill needs is another school beating the door down to sign him to a contract. I don't know how the feller gets ANY sleep with so many schools pestering him for all these coaching vacancies. It has to drive one crazy. But, that is to be expected with someone of such high esteem, that instills discipline in his players, recruits athletes with outstanding character, won't tolerate drug usage. No sirree ..... they all know his players have to walk a tight line. What a coach! I'll bet his name is mentioned on ESPN with every coaching vacancy.
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See what I mean. Have another, no don't youre probably 12.
 
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TennesseeThumper said:
Big fan of BJ Coleman, but he wasn't/isn't an NFL QB. He didn't make the Packers squad and he hasn't been on an NFL roster.

Not defending Kiffin. He was a nut case. Just setting the record straight that Boyd wouldn't have been Fulmer's saving grace. Fulmer needed immediate help. Boyd was 3 years away from playing.
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Yep . . . 2009 under Fulmer was going to look a lot like 2009 under Kiffin IF anybody on the Fulmer staff was able to convince Crompton to slow down and be a serviceable QB.
 
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It amazes me how Petrino can do what he did and yet a major university is bringning him back and how Franklin has had offers and even Strong is going to Texas but NOT A SINGLE PROGRAM has even asked Fulmer if he would be interested! If he was that good of a coach (meaning it wasn't the program) somebody would have inquired!
 
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LookinUp said:
That's all poor ole Fill needs is another school beating the door down to sign him to a contract. I don't know how the feller gets ANY sleep with so many schools pestering him for all these coaching vacancies. It has to drive one crazy. But, that is to be expected with someone of such high esteem, that instills discipline in his players, recruits athletes with outstanding character, won't tolerate drug usage. No sirree ..... they all know his players have to walk a tight line. What a coach! I'll bet his name is mentioned on ESPN with every coaching vacancy.
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Yeah what a coach. A lousy 152-52, NC, and HOF. How could he have any respect?
 
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I can't answer why no other programs have not offered CPF a job. But I bet you I can name you one that wishes to hell that hadn't been in such a hurry to get rid of him.
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
I can't answer why no other programs have not offered CPF a job. But I bet you I can name you one that wishes to hell that hadn't been in such a hurry to get rid of him.
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Weight Watchers?....American Diabetes Association?...named two programs :victory:
 
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