Fulmer Debate II

[LookinUp]

No, his shadow was hidden in the glare of his National Championship ring.

Whew! The whole community breathes a BIG sigh of RELIEF! If he had seen his shadow he would have went back in his hole and we would have had his thugs on a crime spree for six more weeks.

 

[MedicT]

Aw shucks, you are right! Tennessee should immediately forfeit the '98 Championship and submit to the NCAA Death Penalty.

 

[Obsessed]

Whew! The whole community breathes a BIG sigh of RELIEF! If he had seen his shadow he would have went back in his hole and we would have had his thugs on a crime spree for six more weeks.

Wth is wrong with you? Did CPF take your parking spot somewhere? Kick your dog?

Jesus you are bitter.

 

[Wylo]

Wth is wrong with you? Did CPF take your parking spot somewhere? Kick your dog?

Jesus you are bitter.

this.

I believe Fulmer should have been fired, but damn he obviously thinks Phil should be publicly beaten or something.

let it go, man.

 

[HBCButch]

You missed the point. You downgrade (spin) CPF's record by saying the SEC was bad. Instead of celebrating his accomplishment, the entire conference was so bad, that must be the reason for his success. The record speaks for itself. And since you are so good at spinning CPF's record, Obama could use you to spin his healthcare plan. I never said you supported it or him. It was just an analogy. sheesh.

It was never Fulmer and Peyton not beating UF. It was always Chavis and the defense not beating Spurrier. The whole conference was not bad, we were just better than everybody except UF. I would like to hope in the future that UT can be someone's nemesis like UF was to UT. A team with coaches that just always find a way to beat you and cause sleepless nights. It certainly starts with a dominating defense.

 

[Wylo]

It was never Fulmer and Peyton not beating UF. It was always Chavis and the defense not beating Spurrier. The whole conference was not bad, we were just better than everybody except UF. I would like to hope in the future that UT can be someone's nemesis like UF was to UT. A team with coaches that just always find a way to beat you and cause sleepless nights. It certainly starts with a dominating defense.

wrong on many levels

Fulmer had plenty of failures vs. Florida. Many bad decisions. He was tight and always seemed to get outcoached. It wasn't just Chavis.

Also, the SEC had plenty of bad teams in it.

The only good ones were UT, Fla, Ga, Bama.

The rest were mostly down. Even Bama was a bit down during that time.

 

[Big Orange 1]

This has got to be the only damned place in the world where some of us have to defend our glory years. Some of you will never be happy.

Thank you Coach Majors
Thank you Coach Fulmer
Thank you to my all time favorite Vol Al Wilson
Thank you to the rest of the guys that wore the orange during the 90's. This Vol fan is damn proud of you!!

***** on negavols

 

[knoxvols11]

This has got to be the only damned place in the world where some of us have to defend our glory years. Some of you will never be happy.

Thank you Coach Majors
Thank you Coach Fulmer
Thank you to my all time favorite Vol Al Wilson
Thank you to the rest of the guys that wore the orange during the 90's. This Vol fan is damn proud of you!!

***** on negavols

I think most are bitter because as good as the 90's were, they could have been even better! Maybe two more NCs to go with the 98 one but Phil just never could beat Spurrier. Now, the entire SEC is up and even as good as we were back then we wouldn't be as dominating now with those teams.

 

[Big Orange 1]

I think most are bitter because as good as the 90's were, they could have been even better! Maybe two more NCs to go with the 98 one but Phil just never could beat Spurrier. Now, the entire SEC is up and even as good as we were back then we wouldn't be as dominating now with those teams.

We'll never know. It's been said that Richard Petty wouldn't have won all those races and championships in today's NASCAR, but who knows. I will never understand how any true Vol fan could still bash and bash and bash CPF. The man PLAYED, COACHED, and WON at this university, he also loves it. He's gone. He was fired from the team he loves and guess what, he still loves it. That's my biggest gripe, not that he was fired, but the constant, just hatred from some.

 

[knoxvols11]

We'll never know. It's been said that Richard Petty wouldn't have won all those races and championships in today's NASCAR, but who knows. I will never understand how any true Vol fan could still bash and bash and bash CPF. The man PLAYED, COACHED, and WON at this university, he also loves it. He's gone. He was fired from the team he loves and guess what, he still loves it. That's my biggest gripe, not that he was fired, but the constant, just hatred from some.

It's got nothing to do with him playing. It's got everything to do with the Fulmerites portraying that he was a better coach than he actually was!

 

[Advol]

 

[VegasVol]

It was never Fulmer and Peyton not beating UF. It was always Chavis and the defense not beating Spurrier. The whole conference was not bad, we were just better than everybody except UF. I would like to hope in the future that UT can be someone's nemesis like UF was to UT. A team with coaches that just always find a way to beat you and cause sleepless nights. It certainly starts with a dominating defense.

Alabama was and is our historic nemesis; Florida only became so for young fans due to their talent during that era.

Real bottom line was that Florida, like FSU, profited greatly from Miami's probation in the early 90's. They had a talent edge on everybody in the country during Miami's probation-impacted era, as they each played with a shot at the national title in 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999 and 2000. We were usually behind Florida in talent in that time period. When both Fulmer and Spurrier played each other with just their own recruits from 1998-2001, they split the series 2-2, with every game coming down to the wire.

 

[GreveHaller]

Alabama was and is our historic nemesis; Florida only became so for young fans due to their talent during that era.

maybe but the real rise of Fla as a nemesis was when the conference was split into divisions. It made the game with them more important than the Bama game due to SECCG implications. Lose to Bama and its 1 loss. Lose to Fla its 1.5 loses due to tiebreaker. Conversely, a Bama win is 1 win. A Fla win is 1.5 wins having the tiebreaker over them.

It didn't hurt that both the Vols and UF were on their power surge during this period

 

[newandbetter]

It's got nothing to do with him playing. It's got everything to do with the Fulmerites portraying that he was a better coach than he actually was!

Yeah. The winningest percentage in college football means he sucked. How did we ever even let him coach at UT?

Head coaching record
Overall 152–52
Bowls 8–7
Statistics
College Football Data Warehouse
Accomplishments and honors
Championships
1 National (1998)
2 SEC (1997–1998)
6 SEC Eastern Division (1997–1998, 2001, 2003–2004, 2007)
Awards
AFCA Coach of the Year (1998)
Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year (1998)
George Munger Award (1998)
Home Depot Coach of the Year Award (1998)
Sporting News College Football COY (1998)
SEC Coach of the Year (1998)
College Football Hall of Fame
Inducted in 2012

He SUCKED!!! Get a life dude. Have you ever been awarded anything in you job/business that said you were the best in the COUNTRY or the SOUTHEAST? I seriously doubt it or you wouldn't be a total a.. and would respect what he did for UT and realize the amount of work it took to win consistently.

 

[MedicT]

Funny thing is, this entire argument is based on the subjective opinions (emotionally and irrationally based) of the Fulmer detractors versus the objective opinions (fact based) of the Coach Fulmer advocates. As with most things in life, the undeniable facts are usually your best choice. Speculation regarding whether or not the program would have returned to a Championship under Fulmer is worthless for either camp. To attack Coach Fulmer, given his documented career, is nothing but foolishness.

 

[Slydell]

Love these threads. Always a new way to twist figures and records to make some basement dwellers feel good for whatever reason. Good thing is we've done so much better since firing that big old donut eating National Championship winning coach.

 

[southgatevol]

It's got nothing to do with him playing. It's got everything to do with the Fulmerites portraying that he was a better coach than he actually was!

I think we kept Coach Fulmer too long and would not argue otherwise. For a certain portion of our fan base to continue to distort his legacy is shameful. He was and is loyal to the university and deserves respect for his accomplishments. Name the coaches we have had in your lifetime who were better.

 

[butchna]

Yeah. The winningest percentage in college football means he sucked. How did we ever even let him coach at UT?

Head coaching record
Overall 152–52
Bowls 8–7
Statistics
College Football Data Warehouse
Accomplishments and honors
Championships
1 National (1998)
2 SEC (1997–1998)
6 SEC Eastern Division (1997–1998, 2001, 2003–2004, 2007)
Awards
AFCA Coach of the Year (1998)
Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year (1998)
George Munger Award (1998)
Home Depot Coach of the Year Award (1998)
Sporting News College Football COY (1998)
SEC Coach of the Year (1998)
College Football Hall of Fame
Inducted in 2012

He SUCKED!!! Get a life dude. Have you ever been awarded anything in you job/business that said you were the best in the COUNTRY or the SOUTHEAST? I seriously doubt it or you wouldn't be a total a.. and would respect what he did for UT and realize the amount of work it took to win consistently.

9 of those bullet points are for 1998...which was his team...his coaches...his discipline and way of playing and of course,his recruits...a culmination of doing things his way and obtaining the ultimate success. I never fault his defenders (of which I counted myself for most of his tenure)for defending his legacy and wondering if with that promising recruiting class,he could reconnect and reinvent..
I just don't agree that he could...and most importantly the people behind the scenes didn't. He would've fired Clawson to placate the worriers and hired some yes man to bridge the gap between the traditional I formation and the spread...and it would have been a horrible ego enabler that would have delayed his canonization maybe two seasons max...jmo
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[vol_in_ar]

It's got nothing to do with him playing. It's got everything to do with the Fulmerites portraying that he was a better coach than he actually was!

Hall of Fame and 152-52 with a National Championship says he's pretty damn good
So GTFO

 

[Obsessed]

Hall of Fame and 152-52 with a National Championship says he's pretty damn good
So GTFO

Don't you just want to slap them??

 

[1972 Grad]

I think we kept Coach Fulmer too long and would not argue otherwise. For a certain portion of our fan base to continue to distort his legacy is shameful. He was and is loyal to the university and deserves respect for his accomplishments. Name the coaches we have had in your lifetime who were better.

Well, Neyland coached for the first 3 or 4 years of my life, but my choice for the best was Doug Dickey. While I was a student at U.T., I attended all 16 home games coached by Dickey. 15 were wins, and one was a tie with a highly ranked Georgia team.

With Dickey's players still playing for Bill Battle, I attended 13 more home games in 1970 and 71. 12 were wins, and one was a 1 point loss to a ranked Auburn team. So, while I was a student, I walked in Neyland 29 times, and left with one tie, and a 1 point loss. The rest were wins. Maybe I am prejudiced.

 

[vol_in_ar]

Don't you just want to slap them??

sometimes

 

[southgatevol]

Well, Neyland coached for the first 3 or 4 years of my life, but my choice for the best was Doug Dickey. While I was a student at U.T., I attended all 16 home games coached by Dickey. 15 were wins, and one was a tie with a highly ranked Georgia team.

With Dickey's players still playing for Bill Battle, I attended 13 more home games in 1970 and 71. 12 were wins, and one was a 1 point loss to a ranked Auburn team. So, while I was a student, I walked in Neyland 29 times, and left with one tie, and a 1 point loss. The rest were wins. Maybe I am prejudiced.

I can't remember Coach Dickey's tenure. I was very young at the time he was coaching but have read about his success. I would say it would be hard to argue against putting Coach Dickey and Coach Neyland at the top of the list.

 

[knoxvols11]

Hall of Fame and 152-52 with a National Championship says he's pretty damn good
So GTFO

(That) is what always irked me when the TV would show his winning percentage. At first he was the most winningest coa h with five years then ten. But, what they never mentioned was how good the program was before he took over. As for the other poster citing all those accomplishment, do you not realize all those accomplishments-coach wise-are given to the NC winning coach so really it's not that big of a deal! Fulmer and Les Miles are kinda in the same boat. I don't think had it not been for Saban building up LSU Miles wouldn't have been as successcul! Hence Fulmer couldn't build a program. Maybe just bring it down.?.?.?.?.

 

[vol66]

It's that commercial they have on TV all the time.

Adult at a tiny table, with a group of four/five year olds.

What's better more or less?

More! More wins is better than less wins!

Bowl game 14 out of 16 years..."MORE!"

Ranked in the final AP Top 25 Poll 12 out of 16 years..."MORE!"

Ranked in the pre-season AP Poll 16 out of 16 years..."Mo..uh...f it RE!"

MORE! is better.