Fulmer Debate II

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#128
The fact that Fulmorons hate: Nobody wants to hire the great, hall of fame coach, Phil Fulmer.

Wonder why? :question:
 
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#129
VolStrom said:
I'll repeat my offer of $50 for any mod that closes this insane thread.

Make it stop.
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the Op will just start another one .

Phil has my respect for all the good he did as HC .

Phil has been gone for several seasons .

Phil does not Coach UT anymore , No he is not coming back .

:whistling: Just doing my part to get to 12000 posts .
 
#131
#131
Can't answer that. I do see what has happened to Tennessee football since he was fired.
 
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govols/cc said:
Nobody wanted the job! Does nobody remember this. Nobody wanted it after Fulmer was fired, after Kiffin bolted, or after Dooley got canned. Sumlin is probably a goat in Texas if not for little Johnny football. We had a winner. You can break down his career to fit your agenda however you want. Fact is things have gotten worse,........ A LOT WORSE!
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This is nonsense. In 2009 Gary Patterson, Brian Kelly, or Troy Calhoun would have taken the job. In 2010 Kevin Sumlin and Al Golden both wanted the job. Hamilton just botched the hires.
 
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bamacheats said:
The fact that Fulmorons hate: Nobody wants to hire the great, hall of fame coach, Phil Fulmer.

Wonder why? :question:
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Age. All you ever heard was the same old garbage about needing someone YOUNG. Needed a coach that has not allowed the game to "pass him by".
 
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Boston Vol said:
This is nonsense. In 2009 Gary Patterson, Brian Kelly, or Troy Calhoun would have taken the job. In 2010 Kevin Sumlin and Al Golden both wanted the job. Hamilton just botched the hires.
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That's your opinion. Fact is the first & 2nd (maybe 3rd or 4th) guy offered each time turned us down.
 
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Boston Vol said:
This is nonsense. In 2009 Gary Patterson, Brian Kelly, or Troy Calhoun would have taken the job. In 2010 Kevin Sumlin and Al Golden both wanted the job. Hamilton just botched the hires.
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utvolpj said:
29-21 in his last 4 seasons. His most successful season in that 4yr stretch included blowout losses of 59-20 to UF and 41-17 to bama (a 6-6 bama team that lost to UL-Monroe at home)

trying to figure out whether to file that under upholding tradition or winning football
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29-21 file it under looks pretty good now.
 
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govols/cc said:
That's your opinion. Fact is the first & 2nd (maybe 3rd or 4th) guy offered each time turned us down.
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In 2010 you're right. The timing was terrible and a lot of people said no thanks. But Sumlin and Golden were interviewed and both would have taken the job.
 
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GreveHaller said:
again, only an opinion
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Again only an opinion that Tennessee would have been better off the past four years with Fulmer. Given how bad his 2008 recruiting class was, and with the exception of Tajh Boyd and DJ Swearinger the 2009 class would have been pathetic.
 
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GreveHaller said:
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Hiring the wrong coach is in no way, vindication to Fulmer.

There were plenty of good young coaches that were willing to take the job in 2008! We chose the wrong one. He wowed a dumbfounded Hamilton. No disrespect to him, but he fell for Kiffin's presentation at the main interview. He didn't make the decision to hire him, but he presented a strong case at his presentation to the board. Kiffin, initially, looked like a great hire. He was demanding in training, so much that a couple of nonperforming malcontents left the program. That's right, Langley and the offensive lineman that transferred to Middle Tenn, both were nonperforming malcontents and the only two that left the team that MIGHT have been significant contributors. As it turned out, neither survived at their ultimate destination. Kiffin built some equity early as he was also showing up around players' classrooms early in the semester, making sure guys were attending class. We were all pumped. If you weren't, you don't love UT football. As it turned out, it was all a farce. His "great" recruiting class turned sour in retention value. His "cutting edge" recruiting methods attracted the interest of the NCAA, although nothing he ever did here could actually rise to a major sanctioning penalty. Still, we're glad he's no longer here. The subsequent hire, Derek Dooley, wasn't quite up to the task. His methods, while seemingly disciplined and organized, didn't work out. That was the tough hire! Kiffin leaving us so abruptly was perplexing. Maybe Sumlin wanted it. Who really knows? Dooley seemed like the guy that MIGHT get it done. It didn't work, but of course, that doesn't mean he hasn't forgotten more than most of us will ever know about the game, it just means he wasn't ready for the unbelievable challenge of rebuilding the program. If we still had 2/3 of the triumvirate that left from the offense(Bray, Hunter and Patterson), we would be 3-1 right now.

Fulmer rightly isn't the coach anymore for good reason. That doesn't erase his great years or vindicate him as a coach. It's reality.

I full confidence we got this last hire right!

CBJ is doing all the right things. Let's get behind him.
 
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govols/cc said:
The fact morons hate: firing Fulmer didn't make us better. Wonder why?
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Only Fulmorons wonder why. Failure wrecked it, Hamilton buried it with the Kiffin hire.

Another fact Fulmorons hate: Hamilton got the job from a very strong endorsement from Fulmer. So Failure bears responsibility both directly and indirectly for the demise.
 
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who inherited more talent: fulmer from majors or kiffin from fulmer?

I think majors left more talent
 
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VolsRule said:
who inherited more talent: fulmer from majors or kiffin from fulmer?

I think majors left more talent
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Two things:

1. Fulmer basically put together the talent he "inherited".

2. Kiffin had two 1st rounders, four additional NFL draftees, a couple of guys who made rosters but weren't drafted, and a consensus 1st team All-SEC contributor who did not make the League. And that's NOT counting the NFL talent he ran off.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Two things:

1. Fulmer basically put together the talent he "inherited".

2. Kiffin had two 1st rounders, four additional NFL draftees, a couple of guys who made rosters but weren't drafted, and a consensus 1st team All-SEC contributor who did not make the League. And that's NOT counting the NFL talent he ran off.
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The only reason Dan Williams was a first round draft pick was because of Ed Orgeron. He was an average sec dt before Coach O arrived.
 
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#149
if Fulmer gets credit for Majors success then Cutcliffe and Garner get Fulmer's
 
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utvolpj said:
if Fulmer gets credit for Majors success then Cutcliffe and Garner get Fulmer's
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There is no doubt what Cut has meant to the Vols over the years.

But it is not the same when Phil literally held the whole team and staff together, when Phil literally made a quantum leap in recruiting, and when Phil was always an active recruiting force even as HC.
 
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