Fulmer is still the best name.

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jistevens said:
The definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results...Hiring Fulmer would be insanity!
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Exactly. You got to be a special kind of stupid to think Fulmer is going to be hired after being fired.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqdNe8u-Jsg[/youtube]
 
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Remy said:
Not one other major college or pro program in the country has seen fit to believe CPF has anything left in the tank to hire him. He left the UT program in horrible shape, did not do it on purpose, he just did not have it any longer. If you want to drive the program into further obscurity and cellar dwelling in the SEC East, of course by all means bring him back.
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You and I both know that it was us (the fans) that forced Fulmer's hand into recreating the offense.. Hence hiring Clawson.. Read my earlier post on throwing the checkbook at the best Coordinators that money can buy and then re-think your post. Seriously... Think about it.
 
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Remy said:
Not one other major college or pro program in the country has seen fit to believe CPF has anything left in the tank to hire him. He left the UT program in horrible shape, did not do it on purpose, he just did not have it any longer. If you want to drive the program into further obscurity and cellar dwelling in the SEC East, of course by all means bring him back.
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Fulmer quote

"Somebody that's committed to winning championships and being the best that they can be, with a chance to compete in a conference that's nationally recognized. I'm not going to go walk into a door somewhere that you have no chance to be successful."

Sounds a lot like what Gruden says and to add to it neither Gruden or Fulmer have coached since 2008.

If you have proof no one wanted him links plz.
If not your argument is weak at best. Also I don't believe it was Fulmer who put this program where it is you can thank Hamilton, Kiffen and Dooley.
 
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babybrahmanjersey said:
I read this to mean you believe that Fulmer can rebuild the vols just as Steve Jobs did Apple?

I made a lot of money in Apple when Jobs returned...

Am I wrong?
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!= is terminology for 'not equal'. I'm saying Fulmer is no Jobs.

That said, jumping into Apple in the low 500's on Friday of last week looked like a good idea to me!
 
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DC_Vol said:
!= is terminology for 'not equal'. I'm saying Fulmer is no Jobs.

That said, jumping into Apple in the low 500's on Friday of last week looked like a good idea to me!
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How do we know Fulmer is no Jobs.. He has not been given the opportunity to return?

Just saying... You are talking about apples and oranges.. IMO. I mean that respectfully...
 
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babybrahmanjersey said:
How do we know Fulmer is no Jobs.. He has not been given the opportunity to return?

Just saying... You are talking about apples and orages.. IMO. I mean that respectfully...
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Well, yes, hardware/software and college football are apples and oranges. I was just making a parallel between comeback kids in very different professions.

There's a reason Phil was fired. There's reasons why he wasn't picked up for another head coaching job.

I love PF for all he did for UT, but he got passed by the rest of the SEC while he was here. He got a little complacent. He's responsible for much of the hole we dug for ourselves. No excuse to fall behind like we did with our facilities and tradition.

His best days were when Cutcliffe was running the O. There's no reason to retread at this point. If it were a worthwhile option, we'd be talking about how much money it's going to take to pull him from X school.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Well, yes, hardware/software and college football are apples and oranges. I was just making a parallel between comeback kids in very different professions.

There's a reason Phil was fired. There's reasons why he wasn't picked up for another head coaching job.

I love PF for all he did for UT, but he got passed by the rest of the SEC while he was here. He got a little complacent. He's responsible for much of the hole we dug for ourselves. No excuse to fall behind like we did with our facilities and tradition.

His best days were when Cutcliffe was running the O. There's no reason to retread at this point. If it were a worthwhile option, we'd be talking about how much money it's going to take to pull him from X school.
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DC...

You have been one of my favorite posters on VolNation. I did not even register until just the other day. In case you have not seen my original post, here it is:

IMHO- I think the best thing that Dave Hart could do for the program and this fan base is to consider bringing Fulmer back.. Stability is what we need....And WINS are what we need to bring this divided fan base back together for VolNation.

1. Hire Fulmer back immediately with these caviats.

2. Give him only a 3 year contract and set his salary at 2Mil per year. 3yrs only and not one day more...

2. Throw the checkbook at the Greatest Assistant Coaches in America.

3. Instruct Fulmer to mold the next Head Coach i.e learning the traditions - then mentor these assistants with the thought process of "The Best Assistant Becomes The Next Head Coach in Year 4". And make this PUBLIC.. So that there are no misunderstandings.

Please note: I am not a Fulmerite- let's get that out of the way. I just love our football program... I love Tennessee win or lose.

Since you said Cutcliff is what made Fulmer.. (And I agree with you).. Does this not make even a little bit of sense.. If not.. where am I wrong?
 
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babybrahmanjersey said:
I preach it everday to my staff..

Insanity? Really?

Would you have been happy if we went 8-4 or 7-5 this year? Of course you would have been?

Insanity, is not doing the right thing for the University Football Program and let us right this wrong....

Sometimes, honest to God I think winning the NC was the worst thing to ever happen to our program. Because now everyone expects it.. EVERY YEAR!!... This is truly an Irrational comment on your part. IMO
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Irrational? Let's not cling to '98 like it happened yesterday. Yeah I expect us to win cause we are the Big Orange. Why wouldn't I? I have been just as dissappointed as everyone in the results over the last 5+ years. We've been there and rode the CPF train it had a bad ending. I don't wanna do it again & for those that do they're just setting themselves up to be let down again.
 
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jistevens said:
Irrational? Let's not cling to '98 like it happened yesterday. Yeah I expect us to win cause we are the Big Orange. Why wouldn't I? I have been just as dissappointed as everyone in the results over the last 5+ years. We've been there and rode the CPF train it had a bad ending. I don't wanna do it again & for those that do they're just setting themselves up to be let down again.
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Your comment is speculation just as my comment is speculation.

But, I guess that is why we have this forum. In the end, you and I both know "What will be, will be". I guess we just wait and see.. Thank you for your comments.
 
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babybrahmanjersey said:
DC...

You have been one of my favorite posters on VolNation. I did not even register until just the other day. In case you have not seen my original post, here it is:

IMHO- I think the best thing that Dave Hart could do for the program and this fan base is to consider bringing Fulmer back.. Stability is what we need....And WINS are what we need to bring this divided fan base back together for VolNation.

1. Hire Fulmer back immediately with these caviats.

2. Give him only a 3 year contract and set his salary at 2Mil per year. 3yrs only and not one day more...

2. Throw the checkbook at the Greatest Assistant Coaches in America.

3. Instruct Fulmer to mold the next Head Coach i.e learning the traditions - then mentor these assistants with the thought process of "The Best Assistant Becomes The Next Head Coach in Year 4". And make this PUBLIC.. So that there are no misunderstandings.

Please note: I am not a Fulmerite- let's get that out of the way. I just love our football program... I love Tennessee win or lose.

Since you said Cutcliff is what made Fulmer.. (And I agree with you).. Does this not make even a little bit of sense.. If not.. where am I wrong?
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I don't like the term Fulmerite myself. I really like Fulmer, but I also thought that he was kept around a little too long.

Fulmer is kind of like that ex girlfriend that you remember only the good times after your breakup.

1 - Fulmer resisted hiring anyone who might outshine him - and therefore one day succeed him. It's not uncommon for someone in his position, so I'm not necessarily holding that against him. But to think he'd do it now at the direction of the AD seems silly.

2 - Hiring a guy who was already fired by booster money with more booster money is ridiculous. I'm sure it's happened before (see Steve Jobs), but I doubt it happens here. And if it did, it certainly wouldn't bring stability to the program. It would be as divided as it is now.

As a side note, I do think Fulmer would have done much, much more with the talent Dooley has had the last two years.

Fulmer is in the history books...and in a positive way. Let's leave him where he is. The guy who won a National Championship for the Vols.
 
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DC_Vol said:
I don't like the term Fulmerite myself. I really like Fulmer, but I also thought that he was kept around a little too long.

Fulmer is kind of like that ex girlfriend that you remember only the good times after your breakup.

1 - Fulmer resisted hiring anyone who might outshine him - and therefore one day succeed him. It's not uncommon for someone in his position, so I'm not necessarily holding that against him. But to think he'd do it now at the direction of the AD seems silly.

2 - Hiring a guy who was already fired by booster money with more booster money is ridiculous. I'm sure it's happened before (see Steve Jobs), but I doubt it happens here. And if it did, it certainly wouldn't bring stability to the program. It would be as divided as it is now.

As a side note, I do think Fulmer would have done much, much more with the talent Dooley has had the last two years.

Fulmer is in the history books...and in a positive way. Let's leave him where he is. The guy who won a National Championship for the Vols.
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Fair enough. I respect your post. Let's just agree to disagree..

I still love your posts BTW..

Take Care...
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
Fulmer quote

"Somebody that's committed to winning championships and being the best that they can be, with a chance to compete in a conference that's nationally recognized. I'm not going to go walk into a door somewhere that you have no chance to be successful."

Sounds a lot like what Gruden says and to add to it neither Gruden or Fulmer have coached since 2008.
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Numerous jobs that met those criteria have been open since 2008.
 
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DC_Vol said:
I don't like the term Fulmerite myself. I really like Fulmer, but I also thought that he was kept around a little too long.

Fulmer is kind of like that ex girlfriend that you remember only the good times after your breakup.

1 - Fulmer resisted hiring anyone who might outshine him - and therefore one day succeed him. It's not uncommon for someone in his position, so I'm not necessarily holding that against him. But to think he'd do it now at the direction of the AD seems silly.

2 - Hiring a guy who was already fired by booster money with more booster money is ridiculous. I'm sure it's happened before (see Steve Jobs), but I doubt it happens here. And if it did, it certainly wouldn't bring stability to the program. It would be as divided as it is now.

As a side note, I do think Fulmer would have done much, much more with the talent Dooley has had the last two years.

Fulmer is in the history books...and in a positive way. Let's leave him where he is. The guy who won a National Championship for the Vols.
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Well said ... Although I believe people will be divided no matter who you bring in even if it's Gruden. The division will cease when we get back to winning!!!!!:yahoo:
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
Well said ... Although I believe people will be divided no matter who you bring in even if it's Gruden. The division will cease when we get back to winning!!!!!:yahoo:
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post of the day IMHO...

If Fulmer is rehired and goes back to his normal 8-10 win seasons the fan base will get behind the program again.
 
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JimVol said:
post of the day IMHO...

If Fulmer is rehired and goes back to his normal 8-10 win seasons the fan base will get behind the program again.
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I agree 100%

I do believe Fulmer is the safest bet for us and at the other end of the spectrum you have Gruden. That being said I believe we are going to get Gruden which I will be happy with, but I hope he lives up to our expectations. If he doesn't the University is going to be in a huge financial hole. a hole that may put us back 10+ years.
If he performs we will be rockin another NC by 2014!!!!

GO BIG ORANGE 2014 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS OR BUST:rock:
 
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Looking at it from another angle, it would be a huge gamble for Fulmer. He's walking into a decent foundation but it's still a lot of rebuilding to do, and that's not something Fulmer is known for, nor has he ever really had to do. He's been out of the game 4 years and the SEC has gotten stronger since then. Right now he's in a good place; he'll always be remembered as the coach that got us an NC and while the fanbase was divided when he left, most still have overall a good feeling about him.

He comes back and doesn't get it done, oh brother. Those pointing to Snyder at KSU, Snyder's first 2 seasons back at KSU were 6-6 and 7-6. After the last 4 seasons, does ANYONE honestly think if Fulmer had 2 years like that things would be ok? Heck no.

IMHO, going back to Fulmer is basically admitting we want to stay in the past and admire our "glory days". I have little faith Fulmer can compete in today's SEC.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Looking at it from another angle, it would be a huge gamble for Fulmer. He's walking into a decent foundation but it's still a lot of rebuilding to do, and that's not something Fulmer is known for, nor has he ever really had to do. He's been out of the game 4 years and the SEC has gotten stronger since then. Right now he's in a good place; he'll always be remembered as the coach that got us an NC and while the fanbase was divided when he left, most still have overall a good feeling about him.

He comes back and doesn't get it done, oh brother. Those pointing to Snyder at KSU, Snyder's first 2 seasons back at KSU were 6-6 and 7-6. After the last 4 seasons, does ANYONE honestly think if Fulmer had 2 years like that things would be ok? Heck no.

IMHO, going back to Fulmer is basically admitting we want to stay in the past and admire our "glory days". I have little faith Fulmer can compete in today's SEC.
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I concur.....

CPF is NOT gonna happen.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Looking at it from another angle, it would be a huge gamble for Fulmer. He's walking into a decent foundation but it's still a lot of rebuilding to do, and that's not something Fulmer is known for, nor has he ever really had to do. He's been out of the game 4 years and the SEC has gotten stronger since then. Right now he's in a good place; he'll always be remembered as the coach that got us an NC and while the fanbase was divided when he left, most still have overall a good feeling about him.

He comes back and doesn't get it done, oh brother. Those pointing to Snyder at KSU, Snyder's first 2 seasons back at KSU were 6-6 and 7-6. After the last 4 seasons, does ANYONE honestly think if Fulmer had 2 years like that things would be ok? Heck no.

IMHO, going back to Fulmer is basically admitting we want to stay in the past and admire our "glory days". I have little faith Fulmer can compete in today's SEC.
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But you can't guarantee it. The only reason I make a case is because of his history. Not attacking you but a lot of people look at his last years to argue it when all in all, Fulmer responded in the win column when a down year occurred. Win is a win no matter how or who
 
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JMSqb11 said:
But you can't guarantee it. The only reason I make a case is because of his history. Not attacking you but a lot of people look at his last years to argue it when all in all, Fulmer responded in the win column when a down year occurred. Win is a win no matter how or who
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No but you can't guarantee he'll turn it around either. You say history, yeah he never had back to back down years but he was starting a trend of every 2-3 years it was bad and that certainly bucked his previous history where he never had a "down" year.

That's where we differ; I think it would be a huge mistake to go backwards, and I saw the trend that Fulmer was going to keep going down. Would he have been better than Dooley? Yes, but I still think he would still be gone by now anyway had we not canned him in 2008. People are knee jerking a bit because Dooley has been such a disaster, but Fulmer would have been judged in a different circumstance.
 
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