Fulmer is still the best name.

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PowerSweep said:
You are dumber than a bag of hammers...They have been terrible half the time, slightly above average half the time, have never been ranked among the top 20 teams, and have collectively not even been at the ncaa average offensively. Any moron that looks at similar stats for the defense would conclude, "hmm...looks like their defenses sure are a lot better than their offenses"...

As for Ellis Johnson you do understand that (1) good coordinator (2) bad head coach are not mutually exclusive, correct? You know what that phrase means?
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Okay. So if Ellis Johnson deserves the credit, I bet Southern Miss has a really good defense now, no?
 
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PowerSweep said:
I just gave you the d for the 4 yrs you mentioned...the d has been consistently excellent..as f fulmer vs any coach, spurrier was pretty crappy against dubose and bowden when he was at UF..so what...
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Spurrier also has 3 times as many conference titles as Fulmer, by the way.
 
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VKAman said:
It's funny, because I don't even have to make this point to you. You've seen it yourself. USCe is good when their offense is good. Whose responsibility is that? How's Ellis Johnson doing?

Spurrier has beaten Saban at Bama. Fulmer couldn't even beat his backup QB and RB with one of the best defenses we've ever had.
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The best defence I've seen here was the 97' and 98' teams and I believe that defense would still win you NC's today.

You had Wilson, Little, Thompson, and Westmoreland during those years.
 
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VKAman said:
Spurrier also has 3 times as many conference titles as Fulmer, by the way.
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This all I have left to say

1. You are downing a Hall of Fame football coach.

2. Go talk to any NFL player who played for Tennessee and ask there opinion of the man? They will say he is one of the best.

3. It's one thing to say I don't want him back coaching or didn't like what he did in his later years.

4. To pick a mans career apart and only judge based on a few other coaches that he didn't do well against is biased to say the least. Then you say when he did win that the other teams coaches or whole teams sucked so they don't count.

He will never see a victory if only count his loses and discount all his wins. To be fair you have to go off his overall record 152-52. His accomplishments landed him in The Hall of Fame.

Would love to watch you walk up to Al Wilson or L. Little and tell them their coach was terrible and they only won because they were playing weak teams. :popcorn:

This how I see it going down. Al your teams where weak and you coach sucked. Al response:bash:
 
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#707
Blah , Blah , Blah do-nuts and BBQ . CPF was an Excellent Coach . CPF is not now , and, I don't think he will ever be the coach at UT ,again .

Back to the FUTURE was a really bad sci-fi movie . You cannot go forward by going backwards .
 
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beachbums624 said:
Blah , Blah , Blah do-nuts and BBQ . CPF was an Excellent Coach . CPF is not now , and, I don't think he will ever be the coach at UT ,again .

Back to the FUTURE was a really bad sci-fi movie . You cannot go forward by going backwards .
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Whaaaaaa?! Back to the future was EPIC BRAH!!
 
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#709
I don't see anyone knocking fulmer for his career accomplishments. I just don't agree with trying to rationalize that fulmer could repeat that in today's sec when it was already proven he couldn't.
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
This all I have left to say

1. You are downing a Hall of Fame football coach.

2. Go talk to any NFL player who played for Tennessee and ask there opinion of the man? They will say he is one of the best.

3. It's one thing to say I don't want him back coaching or didn't like what he did in his later years.

4. To pick a mans career apart and only judge based on a few other coaches that he didn't do well against is biased to say the least. Then you say when he did win that the other teams coaches or whole teams sucked so they don't count.

He will never see a victory if only count his loses and discount all his wins. To be fair you have to go off his overall record 152-52. His accomplishments landed him in The Hall of Fame.

Would love to watch you walk up to Al Wilson or L. Little and tell them their coach was terrible and they only won because they were playing weak teams. :popcorn:

This how I see it going down. Al your teams where weak and you coach sucked. Al response:bash:
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I don't get it either. Best thing I can come up with is people who really liked/loved Majors and think tearing Fulmer down will make it better. But, I don't really know.
 
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i dont doubt the man...only point im making is the game passed him by and it is beyond absurd to think he would turn the vols around in todays uber-competitve sec. nobody wants him.
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
This all I have left to say

1. You are downing a Hall of Fame football coach.

2. Go talk to any NFL player who played for Tennessee and ask there opinion of the man? They will say he is one of the best.

3. It's one thing to say I don't want him back coaching or didn't like what he did in his later years.

4. To pick a mans career apart and only judge based on a few other coaches that he didn't do well against is biased to say the least. Then you say when he did win that the other teams coaches or whole teams sucked so they don't count.

He will never see a victory if only count his loses and discount all his wins. To be fair you have to go off his overall record 152-52. His accomplishments landed him in The Hall of Fame.

Would love to watch you walk up to Al Wilson or L. Little and tell them their coach was terrible and they only won because they were playing weak teams. :popcorn:

This how I see it going down. Al your teams where weak and you coach sucked. Al response:bash:
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Every player will talk up the coach that they played for. There are still players talking up Dooley. Acting like that actually matters is foolish to say the least.

In 16 years here, he had exactly 2 SEC championships. That's not picking apart anything, and at Tennessee that's not acceptable.
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
This how I see it going down. Al your teams where weak and you coach sucked. Al response:bash:
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That's the thing. Our teams were the exact opposite of weak. With the kind of talent we had, the dominant SEC team of the '90s should have been Tennessee, not Florida. Problem is, Spurrier was and is an infinitely better coach than Fulmer.
 
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VKAman said:
Every player will talk up the coach that they played for. There are still players talking up Dooley. Acting like that actually matters is foolish to say the least.

In 16 years here, he had exactly 2 SEC championships. That's not picking apart anything, and at Tennessee that's not acceptable.
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In your lifetime, you prolly only know majors and Fulmer as head coach at UT. You can't say anything is unacceptable because Fulmer set the standard. If he set the bar like he did, he shoulda been given the chance to get it back, which he wasn't.
 
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#716
Oh no, the bring Phil back crowd has wandered into the wrong house. Man I love what Coach did in winning a NC and all but he did get stale the last couple of years. Bringing him back would be like remarrying the woman you divorced 5 years ago because you are now old and insecure. Move on, the Gruden train is coming through.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
In your lifetime, you prolly only know majors and Fulmer as head coach at UT. You can't say anything is unacceptable because Fulmer set the standard. If he set the bar like he did, he shoulda been given the chance to get it back, which he wasn't.
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There aren't many things I hate more than people who act like Tennessee football was nothing before Fulmer. We have 16 conference titles in the last 100 years (1 every 6 years). Fulmer won 2 of those in 16 years.

Since 1910, there have only been two decades where we haven't won a conference championship: the 1970s and--you guessed it--2000-2010.
 
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AllVolinGA said:
Oh no, the bring Phil back crowd has wandered into the wrong house. Man I love what Coach did in winning a NC and all but he did get stale the last couple of years. Bringing him back would be like remarrying the woman you divorced 5 years ago because you are now old and insecure. Move on, the Gruden train is coming through.
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This
 
#719
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VKAman said:
Every player will talk up the coach that they played for. There are still players talking up Dooley. Acting like that actually matters is foolish to say the least.

In 16 years here, he had exactly 2 SEC championships. That's not picking apart anything, and at Tennessee that's not acceptable.
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Well I'll ask you this:

1. Who is your favorite Tenn. coach off all time?
2. Who is the Top 3 most successful coaches in Tenn. history?
3. What coach and era set the standard for Tenn. football?

For number 3 plz include your stats.

4. Which coach has come closet to reaching your expectations?

I ask this because I want to understand what your expectations are and has Tennessee has ever lived up to them?
 
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VKAman said:
There aren't many things I hate more than people who act like Tennessee football was nothing before Fulmer. We have 16 conference titles in the last 100 years (1 every 6 years). Fulmer won 2 of those in 16 years.

Since 1910, there have only been two decades where we haven't won a conference championship: the 1970s and--you guessed it--2000-2010.
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Up until Fulmer, we never had sustained constant success. To have a good 12 year run was not familiar to Tennessee up until the end of 80s when Phil had an involved hand in offense and on to being HC
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
Well I'll ask you this:

1. Who is your favorite Tenn. coach off all time?
2. Who is the Top 3 most successful coaches in Tenn. history?
3. What coach and era set the standard for Tenn. football?

For number 3 plz include your stats.

4. Which coach has come closet to reaching your expectations?

I ask this because I want to understand what your expectations are and has Tennessee has ever lived up to them?
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Neyland.
Neyland, Majors, Fulmer.
Neyland's time here. 7 conference titles in 21 years.

Again, Tennessee has always lived up to them.
Tennessee:
16 conference titles, 1 every 6 years on average. Multiple conference titles in the '30s, '40s, '50s, '60s, '80s, and '90s.

Fulmer:
2 conference titles, 1 every 8 years on average.
Directly responsible for one of the two decades since 1930 where we haven't won multiple conference championships. In fact, forget multiple; he didn't even win one.
 
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VKAman said:
That's the thing. Our teams were the exact opposite of weak. With the kind of talent we had, the dominant SEC team of the '90s should have been Tennessee, not Florida. Problem is, Spurrier was and is an infinitely better coach than Fulmer.
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They asked Gruden why he loves football " he thrill of victory...and the agony of defeat".

Your mad because he had a bad record against Florida .... lol. As I still say we never played Florida/South Carolina we played Spurrier. We all hate Spurrier. I give the guy props he's a great coach, but CPF is also a great coach.
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
They asked Gruden why he loves football " he thrill of victory...and the agony of defeat".

Your mad because he had a bad record against Florida .... lol. As I still say we never played Florida/South Carolina we played Spurrier. We all hate Spurrier. I give the guy props he's a great coach, but CPF is also a great coach.
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And one of those "great coaches" has 3x as many SEC titles as the other.
 
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VKAman said:
I'm curious to see your answer to this question. It seems like you're suggesting that the standard for Tennessee football is being second in the East as Florida's b*tch.
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Getting my number together for ya. Will start with this

At the end of his tenure at Tennessee, Fulmer had the second-highest number of wins of any head coach in Tennessee history, just 21 behind legendary coach Robert Neyland. Fulmer also was only the third coach in Tennessee history to win a claimed national championship.
 
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