Fulmer is still the best name.

[NashVol11]

Uh Bray isn't that accurate. If you think Bray is gonna be an NFL QB because of his height and rocket arm and his indecisiveness and his quitting mentality and whiny attitude, you need a head check.

Plus, I never said anything about the League anyway.

If we had a real coach instead of Dooley/Chaney asking Bray to make 50 impossible throws per game, he would very likely be a first-round pick.

As is, like I said, he's easily a better prospect than Boyd is.

 

[JMSqb11]

If we had a real coach instead of Dooley/Chaney asking Bray to make 50 impossible throws per game, he would very likely be a first-round pick.

As is, like I said, he's easily a better prospect than Boyd is.

That still doesn't change the fact that Bojd is the better college QB. which is what we are talking about.

 

[Volfanjohnny2005]

The freakin' idiots in our fan base are beyond human comprehension !!!

Do people not even remember that this whole slide into the abyss was started by that fat bloated tub of lard with the way over inflated ego !!!

For cryin out loud !!! The reason we got to such awful shape talent wise under Kiffin and Dooley is because Clappy McFatass recruited like garbage his last few years.

Do people not remember that this lazy sack of s--t had two losing seasons in his last 4 and lost to freakin' Wyoming ? !!!



what does that sound like...sweet nothings? thats what i read

It is true about the losing seasons and loss to Wyoming,..but it is also true he coached the Vols to 151 wins and a .743 winning percentage.2 losing seasons in 17 years ,....17 years,......with only 52 losses.Spin it how you want to but those numbers don't lie

 

[dlw4n]

It is true about the losing seasons and loss to Wyoming,..but it is also true he coached the Vols to 151 wins and a .743 winning percentage.2 losing seasons in 17 years ,....17 years,......with only 52 losses.Spin it how you want to but those numbers don't lie

He can be both. He is a HOF coach who was tremendously successful in his HC career. He also completely lost his drive or ability at the end. I can respect his career and contributions and also think that he was let go at roughly the time he should have been.

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

The freakin' idiots in our fan base are beyond human comprehension !!!

Do people not even remember that this whole slide into the abyss was started by that fat bloated tub of lard with the way over inflated ego !!!

For cryin out loud !!! The reason we got to such awful shape talent wise under Kiffin and Dooley is because Clappy McFatass recruited like garbage his last few years.

Do people not remember that this lazy sack of s--t had two losing seasons in his last 4 and lost to freakin' Wyoming ? !!!



what does that sound like...sweet nothings? thats what i read

Do you have anything to add that has anything to do with facts and numbers.

If not control your emotions and get a hold of yourself. We are not the ones doing the hiring. This a fan based site and we are discussing our views that's all. You have made your point you think some or all of us are idiots correct, ohh and you don't like Fulmer we get it.

If it upsets you so that much you have to have an outburst. You might want to think about not coming in here it's not like you don't know what we are debating.

And if you just like calling people idiots and that's why you come in here well you might have some serious self esteem issues and might want to seek help. It really isn't very healthy.

 

[NashVol11]

That still doesn't change the fact that Bojd is the better college QB. which is what we are talking about.

He puts up numbers in a garbage system that we don't run, which is pretty much exactly what Kiffin told him. Unfortunately, we don't play in the ACC.

 

[JMSqb11]

He puts up numbers in a garbage system that we don't run, which is pretty much exactly what Kiffin told him. Unfortunately, we don't play in the ACC.

Okay take that out. Let break it down real simple. How many wins vs ranked opponents does Bojd have? Hell how many out of state wins does he have?

 

[NashVol11]

That still doesn't change the fact that Bojd is the better college QB. which is what we are talking about.

Boyd vs. South Carolina:

32-71 (45%) 339 yards, 2 TDs, 3 picks.

And that's in three games. Meaning the average game was more like 11-24, 113 yards, maybe a TD and definitely a pick. Yeah, I'm sure he would be great in the SEC.

 

[JMSqb11]

Boyd vs. South Carolina:

32-71 (45%) 339 yards, 2 TDs, 3 picks.

And that's in three games. Meaning the average game was more like 11-24, 113 yards, maybe a TD and definitely a pick. Yeah, I'm sure he would be great in the SEC.

How many wins vs ranked teams? Record vs rivals?

 

[volfanatic74]

I get what you're saying about his career as a whole being a good one. It's just that you have to realize when it's time to move on. It was past time IMO. If we go back to Fulmer, it's like we are throwing in the towel. We may be going through tough times right now but at least we are trying to get out of the rut. The way I look at it is this: if you continue to drive in the rut, without trying to get out, you deserve what you get. Our program and fans deserve better than settling for 5-7 loss seasons.

 

[NashVol11]

Okay take that out. Let break it down real simple. How many wins vs ranked opponents does Bojd have? Hell how many out of state wins does he have?

Boyd didn't beat a single ranked team this year...

And either way, wins? Are you forgetting who our coach was?

 

[Volfanjohnny2005]

He can be both. He is a HOF coach who was tremendously successful in his HC career. He also completely lost his drive or ability at the end. I can respect his career and contributions and also think that he was let go at roughly the time he should have been.

I agree with you.He was getting complacent and it showed on the field,..but after the crapstorm we have endured these last 4 years,its hard not to think of the awesome years of Fulmers tenure.Heck,i would have even taken his 2 bad losing seasons over the whole Dooley era.Really irks me when people forget what he accomplished and where he led the Vols.But it is what is it.Maybe our next head coach can start something special here to give all us Vol fans reason to cheer for our team again.

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

Boyd vs. South Carolina:

32-71 (45%) 339 yards, 2 TDs, 3 picks.

And that's in three games. Meaning the average game was more like 11-24, 113 yards, maybe a TD and definitely a pick. Yeah, I'm sure he would be great in the SEC.

I know Peyton had some bad games both here and in the NFL. Does that make him a bad QB. Funny thing is if you didn't like Peyton. You would find a way to dumb up his career to fit your opinion that he is a terrible QB. You guys who pick 1 game or 1 season to sum up a career really kill me. I really don't get it.

 

[JMSqb11]

Boyd didn't beat a single ranked team this year...

And either way, wins? Are you forgetting who our coach was?

How many plays at the end did bray costs is a win? UGA, MSU, UK, UNC.

 

[Volfanjohnny2005]

I've posted this before and no one will answer it: Fulmer coached his team through 24 losses in his final 5 years! That averages almot 5 losses per year! Do you people truly believe he can lead this team back to prominence? I would bet that he would lose many more than that if given another 5 year stretch.

Dont forget, 52 losses in 17 years.....you have to put in ALL the facts.Oh,.and 151 wins in 17 years for a .743 winning percentagek:

 

[JMSqb11]

Dont forget, 52 losses in 17 years.....you have to put in ALL the facts.Oh,.and 151 wins in 17 years for a .743 winning percentagek:

152 wins

 

[NashVol11]

I know Peyton had some bad games both here and in the NFL. Does that make him a bad QB. Funny thing is if you didn't like Peyton. You would find a way to dumb up his career to fit your opinion that he is a terrible QB. You guys who pick 1 game or 1 season to sum up a career really kill me. I really don't get it.

It's not that hard to see who's actually a good pro-style QB and who's the product of a system. Boyd, like I said, is a wannabe Colt McCoy. If you think he's the next Elway, that's your problem.

 

[JMSqb11]

It's not that hard to see who's actually a good pro-style QB and who's the product of a system. Boyd, like I said, is a wannabe Colt McCoy. If you think he's the next Elway, that's your problem.

Once again, who is comparing anyone to the nfl and elway? This is about Bray vs Boyd.

 

[Volfanjohnny2005]

152 wins

My bad,..."only" 152 wins

 

[NashVol11]

Once again, who is comparing anyone to the nfl and elway? This is about Bray vs Boyd.

And Boyd is a product of his system, which consistently craps the bed against SEC defenses. Man, we really missed out on some classic Chris Relf-esque performances.

 

[JMSqb11]

My bad,..."only" 152 wins

Just think without that win vs Air Force in 2007, it woulda been 151-53

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

It's not that hard to see who's actually a good pro-style QB and who's the product of a system. Boyd, like I said, is a wannabe Colt McCoy. If you think he's the next Elway, that's your problem.

I was just making a point that everyone needs to look at the whole picture.

Every coach in the history of football who has had a career over seems like 10 or 15 years has a down period.

Neyland had his in 47' 48' and 49'. People wanted him fired. Heard they were protesting on Gay st.

Bear Bryant had a 4 yr period where Bama fans wanted him gone. Bear didn't do anything 67' or 68'. Then in 69' and 70' went 6-5.

Both men went on to win NC's. Neyland won the NC in 50 and 51'. That was the last time we won the NC until Fulmer won it.

Bear won the SEC every year from 71' to 79' except 76'. He also won 3 NC's.

I'm sure if I only go off their bad years I could make them look bad too. But it would not be truthful. Also if they ran them off at the first sign of trouble even 2-4 years has proven over time to be a mistake.

If it is correct to run them off then both Neyland and Bear should have been fired they both had 2+ terrible years with 4-6 win seasons.

 

[volfanatic74]

Dont forget, 52 losses in 17 years.....you have to put in ALL the facts.Oh,.and 151 wins in 17 years for a .743 winning percentagek:

I didn't forget anything. But since you're hung up on "151 wins in 17 years", let me put it this way. In Fulmers first 12 years, he lost 28 games. That averages 2.33 losses per year. In his final 5 years, he lost 24. That averages 4.8 losses per year. The man drove the program off a cliff towards the end, plain and simple. You can try to spit-shine it all you want, I'm not buying it. And for the record, it is 152-52 record not 151-52.

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

I didn't forget anything. But since you're hung up on "151 wins in 17 years", let me put it this way. In Fulmers first 12 years, he lost 28 games. That averages 2.33 losses per year. In his final 5 years, he lost 24. That averages 4.8 losses per year. The man drove the program off a cliff towards the end, plain and simple. You can try to spit-shine it all you want, I'm not buying it. And for the record, it is 152-52 record not 151-52.

Read my post above your. I would be interested in your thoughts.

also remember Fulmer never had back to back loosing seasons.

 

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