Fulmer Picking Up Steam/Schools looking at Fulmer?(merged)

#226
#226
kptvol said:
I don't know how many times you can just flat out lie and get away with it.

2009
Eric Gordon - Kiffin
Janzen Jackson - Kiffin
Greg King (injured) - Kiffin
David Oku - sort of both, but I'll let Fulmer have him
Zach Rogers - Fulmer
JerQari Schofield - Fulmer
Marsalis Teague - Kiffin
Marlon Walls (injured) - Fulmer

2010
Tyler Bray - Kiffin
Zach Fulton - Kiffin
Justin Hunter - Kiffin
Jawuan James - Kiffin
Corey Miller - Kiffin
Rajion Neal - Kiffin targeted, Dooley closed
Michael Palardy - Kiffin
John Probst - Dooley
Michael Rivera - Dooley
Da'Rick Rogers - Dooley
Matt Simms - Kiffin
Jacquez Smith - UT
James Stone - Dooley
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Even if I were to take every one of these, kpt, it leans heavily towards Dooley and Fulmer - 50% by your own reckoning. Take off the two you got wrong (Palardy and Gordon) and we're at 60%. I'm allowing Tyler Bray since Dooley has said he wants him to play early this weekend.
 
#227
#227
utgibbs said:
Even if I were to take every one of these, kpt, it leans heavily towards Dooley and Fulmer - 50% by your own reckoning. Take off the two you got wrong (Palardy and Gordon) and we're at 60%. I'm allowing Tyler Bray since Dooley has said he wants him to play early this weekend.
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Palardy is 100% Kiffin. No one will argue that. You're thinking of Matt Darr, who Dooley brought in after signing day.

Gordon was leaning to Bama and specifically said the new staff was the reason he chose UT.
 
#228
#228
utgibbs said:
1989 coincides with Fulmer being OC and in charge of recruiting.

1985 wasn't won on the field.

That's what VV has always said. That's what your data shows.
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Neither were a couple of CPF's SEC East titles as well. Backed into '97 and '07. '03 is one of those "shared" titles that VV talks so much about. '98, '01, and '04 were the only SEC East crowns that Tennessee won on their own field. Other times, they won it by circumstance, not by being the best team on the field.

And Fulmer wasn't a recruiting coordinator in 1989. That spot was taken by Tim Mengey(whoever the heck that guy is).
 
#229
#229
nickknx865 said:
Neither were a couple of CPF's SEC East titles as well. Backed into '97 and '07. '03 is one of those "shared" titles that VV talks so much about. '98, '01, and '04 were the only SEC East crowns that Tennessee won on their own field. Other times, they won it by circumstance, not by being the best team on the field.

And Fulmer wasn't a recruiting coordinator in 1989. That spot was taken by Tim Mengey(whoever the heck that guy is).
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You can't "back into" the SECCG anymore. Absolutely preposterous and diminishes your credibility immensely suggesting we "backed into" 1997 when Florida had a worse SEC record than we did. It wasn't a tie-breaker; they had a worse record. Never have either VV or myself as far as I know gone the Co-Champ route on the SECE.

If that's the case, Florida has "backed-in" their fair share.
 
#230
#230
rumor is garbage. goes against all requirements of his said gig.
in the south (no-check)
at a program that can win a nat'l title (no-check)
in a good conference (no-check)
 
#231
#231
Florida beat Tennessee in '97 by 13 points, and the only reason they weren't in Atlanta was because they got upset by LSU that year.

Look at '07 for another example of backing into a title game. There is no way that a team who gets shellacked 59-20 by a rival should ever come close to Atlanta, yet we did. That '07 Georgia team deserved to go to Atlanta more than we did. After all, we got our asses kicked by an Alabama team who lost to the mighty Warhawks of Louisiana-Monroe.
 
#232
#232
utgibbs said:
You can't "back into" the SECCG anymore. Absolutely preposterous and diminishes your credibility immensely suggesting we "backed into" 1997 when Florida had a worse SEC record than we did. It wasn't a tie-breaker; they had a worse record. Never have either VV or myself as far as I know gone the Co-Champ route on the SECE.

If that's the case, Florida has "backed-in" their fair share.
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VV has boasted of the 2003 SEC East "title" multiple times.

2007 was UT backing in. End of story. Take out the SEC West games and Florida wins it.
 
#233
#233
i think backed-in might be a slight poor choice of words, but getting humiliated by your two biggest rivals (bama and fl) in '07 definitely made it feel like the visit to atl was very undeserved. i don't necessarily feel we backed in, but i sure as hell get annoyed at fulmer using the '07 east title as such a prestigious accolade when whining about his ill-timed firing.

utgibbs said:
You can't "back into" the SECCG anymore. Absolutely preposterous and diminishes your credibility immensely suggesting we "backed into" 1997 when Florida had a worse SEC record than we did. It wasn't a tie-breaker; they had a worse record. Never have either VV or myself as far as I know gone the Co-Champ route on the SECE.

If that's the case, Florida has "backed-in" their fair share.
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#234
Ghost of Archvol said:
i think backed-in might be a slight poor choice of words, but getting humiliated by your two biggest rivals (bama and fl) in '07 definitely made it feel like the visit to atl was very undeserved. i don't necessarily feel we backed in, but i sure as hell get annoyed at fulmer using this as such a prestigious accolade when discussing his ill-timed firing.
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Again, if UF and UT play the same SEC West foes, Florida goes (and probably beats LSU) and we don't.
 
#236
#236
nickknx865 said:
Florida beat Tennessee in '97 by 13 points, and the only reason they weren't in Atlanta was because they got upset by LSU that year.
Look at '07 for another example of backing into a title game. There is no way that a team who gets shellacked 59-20 by a rival should ever come close to Atlanta, yet we did. That '07 Georgia team deserved to go to Atlanta more than we did. After all, we got our asses kicked by an Alabama team who lost to the mighty Warhawks of Louisiana-Monroe.
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You forgot they lost to Mississippi State as well. But the, they would have gone, except they lost is priceless.

And then you want to pimp the Georgia team who we beat, winning the tiebreaker.

Sorry, nick, but it's GSM.
 
#237
#237
utgibbs said:
You forgot they lost to Mississippi State as well. But the, they would have gone, except they lost is priceless.

And then you want to pimp the Georgia team who we beat, winning the tiebreaker.

Sorry, nick, but it's GSM.
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Florida didn't lose to Mississippi State in 97.
 
#238
#238
Jesus, BPV was right. You are like Kim Jong-Il.

The Georgia team who we beat probably would have beaten us had we played them at the end of the year. Besides, that whole year was crazy. There shouldn't have even been a national champion for 2007. Same with the SEC. LSU might have won the crown, but they, or any other team in the league, didn't deserve it.

And that Georgia team wasn't in Atlanta thanks to a South Carolina team that was 6-1 after their first 7 games.
 
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#241
nickknx865 said:
Jesus, BPV was right. You are like Kim Jong-Il.

The Georgia team who we beat probably would have beaten us had we played them at the end of the year. Besides, that whole year was crazy. There shouldn't have even been a national champion for 2007. Same with the SEC. LSU might have won the crown, but they, or any other team in the league, didn't deserve it.

And that Georgia team wasn't in Atlanta thanks to a South Carolina team that was 6-1 after their first 7 games.
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Ah, so they lost to their traditional East rivals, and it had nothing to do with the West.

Nick, calling on BPV for emeritus advice doesn't help your cause. It's over, Rock!
 
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#243
utgibbs said:
Ah, so they lost to their traditional East rivals, and it had nothing to do with the West.

Nick, calling on BPV for emeritus advice doesn't help your cause. It's over, Rock!
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Yeah, it's not like Georgia was ranked #2 at the end of the year, or anything like that.
 
#244
#244
utgibbs said:
TN SEC record 7 - 1

FL SEC record 6 - 2

I could have sworn it was MS State, but I don't really care. Game, Set, and Match.
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I believe the argument was that UT backed in. Once again, if a team UT didn't play doesn't knock of Florida, Peyton Manning graduates UT as the greatest player in SEC history to not win a championship.
 
#247
#247
The Dude said:
The what if game is useless and is an idiotic way to discredit something.
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Precisely, and ironically, those who play it always seem to only do it in ways to disparage Tennessee's successful years under Fulmer and never seem to be able to think about it for any years where he failed. Part of the "Fulmer rules" debate -- good luck counts against him, bad luck is ignored.

Bottom line is Tennessee under Fulmer in 2007 did what Florida under Meyer and Georgia under Richt could not do -- be the best team throughout the season in the SEC east.
 
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#250
VegasVol said:
Bottom line is Tennessee under Fulmer in 2007 did what Florida under Meyer and Georgia under Richt could not do -- be the best team throughout the season in the SEC east.
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If the SEC East is determined by the results of only the games played between SEC East opponents, Tennessee doesn't rep the East, because we weren't the best team from that division.

And the great thing is that the season you tout as phenomenal involved miracles to beat the likes of Vandy, UK, and South Carolina, beatings from two .500 teams, and getting absolutely taken advantage of by Florida.
 
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