Fulmer Picking Up Steam/Schools looking at Fulmer?(merged)

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VolDad said:
Apparently, we had no success prior to him.
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I'm not saying we had no success before him but in the last 50 years he brought us the most success. Most people on this forum were not born in the 1940's or 50's when Neyland coached. We hadn't won a national championship in 47 years before Fulmer won one. Dickey had good teams but nothing like what Fulmer had and left Tennessee for Florida. Major's couldn't beat Alabama even when they had Bill Curry. Our best season under Majors was the 85 sugar bowl and the years Fulmer was OC. I won't even mention the years under Battle.
 
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ENGRVOL said:
I'm not saying we had no success before him but in the last 50 years he brought us the most success. Most people on this forum were not born in the 1940's or 50's when Neyland coached. We hadn't won a national championship in 47 years before Fulmer won one. Dickey had good teams but nothing like what Fulmer had and left Tennessee for Florida. Major's couldn't beat Alabama even when they had Bill Curry. Our best season under Majors was the 85 sugar bowl and the years Fulmer was OC. I won't even mention the years under Battle.
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Who cares when people were born? I don’t hear any 2O year olds trying to credit Clinton, Bush, or Obama for their freedoms. Just because you are young does not mean that you do not understand history and appreciate the contributions of the founding fathers.

I don’t see any 20 year old Bama fans wearing shirts saying “Got 2”. I bet they can even tell you about Bear Bryant.

UT won at least 2 SECC every decade since joining the SEC except the 70's and 00's. Fulmer kept pace with our history in the 90’s (with the NC being icing on the cake) and failed our historical standards in the 00’s. He didn't even win 1.

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VolDad said:
Who cares when people were born? I don’t hear any 2O year olds trying to credit Clinton, Bush, or Obama for their freedoms. Just because you are young does not mean that you do not understand history and appreciate the contributions of the founding fathers.

I don’t see any 20 year old Bama fans wearing shirts saying “Got 2”. I bet they can even tell you about Bear Bryant.

UT won at least 2 SECC every decade since joining the SEC except the 70's and 00's. Fulmer kept pace with our history in the 90’s (with the NC being icing on the cake) and failed our historical standards in the 00’s. He didn't even win 1.

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I don't see two championships every decade happening again since the SEC only has one champion now days instead of the two or three, like 1989 - Alabama, Auburn,Tennessee. Maybe average one every 7 or 8 years is a more modern standard.
 
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vols-1 said:
I don't see two championships every decade happening again since the SEC only has one champion now days instead of the two or three, like 1989 - Alabama, Auburn,Tennessee. Maybe average one every 7 or 8 years is a more modern standard.
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Tell that to Florida, UGA, LSU, and Bama who managed to win multiple Championships since Fulmars’ last.
 
#206
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VolDad said:
Who cares when people were born? I don’t hear any 2O year olds trying to credit Clinton, Bush, or Obama for their freedoms. Just because you are young does not mean that you do not understand history and appreciate the contributions of the founding fathers.

I don’t see any 20 year old Bama fans wearing shirts saying “Got 2”. I bet they can even tell you about Bear Bryant.

UT won at least 2 SECC every decade since joining the SEC except the 70's and 00's. Fulmer kept pace with our history in the 90’s (with the NC being icing on the cake) and failed our historical standards in the 00’s. He didn't even win 1.

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Still stuck on absurd standards (by your standard, Army and Yale are currently horrible given their "history" of "winning titles" that "any coach" should "maintain"), standards that are historically incorrect, as well.

Yes, we will win 2 SEC titles a decade as soon as:

1) Only white kids can play (like when we won most of them before Fulmer);
2) The SEC shrinks to 8 teams, with no divisional format or SEC title game (as it was before 1992); and
3) We can share SEC titles and get the best SEC programs on probation when we lose to them.
 
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#207
Considering those schools are in two totally different situations, no they aren't.

If Florida and Georgia can win more than one SEC title in the 2000's, why can't Tennessee?
 
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nickknx865 said:
Considering those schools are in two totally different situations, no they aren't.

If Florida and Georgia can win more than one SEC title in the 2000's, why can't Tennessee?
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Because we don't have a bunch of local kids ranked in the top 150 every year.
 
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#209
Is it so much to ask that we can have a coach that can deliver at least 1 conference title per decade? And before you go on about how Fulmer won 2 conference titles, both of those were when the SEC was at a low point in it's history. He hadn't won one in 10 years. Fine, maybe we can't win 2 or 3 a decade. But not being able to deliver a conference title at least one time during the 2000's is inexcusable for a Tennessee football coach, and you know it.
 
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The Dude said:
Good post, I agree, although I think he's primarily responsible for our current situation.
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I'm not even understanding this. It's Fulmer's 2009 recruits contributing now (sans JJ). It's Dooley's from 2010 contributing. The only consistent performers are Fulmer recruits. With five players from the Fulmer era released by Kiffin, we are atop the SECE.

The Hambone Experiment is the Epic Five Star Bust.
 
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nickknx865 said:
Yet, strangely enough, whether it be Fulmer, Kiffin, or Dooley at the helm, they've all pulled in Top 10-15 recruiting classes at Tennessee.
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The relevant rankings, given our schedule and conference, is the SEC, and there we've finished an average of 5th or so for some time now. Add to that the risk of a higher attrition rate (for many reasons) with non-local players, and factor in our schedule (we typically face those 3-4 teams with recruiting rankings higher than us), and you do not get the recipe for repeat SEC titles in this era.

# of Programs Without a Local Talent Base to Win the SEC Since 1999? 0 for 10.
 
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nickknx865 said:
Is it so much to ask that we can have a coach that can deliver at least 1 conference title per decade? And before you go on about how Fulmer won 2 conference titles, both of those were when the SEC was at a low point in it's history. He hadn't won one in 10 years. Fine, maybe we can't win 2 or 3 a decade. But not being able to deliver a conference title at least one time during the 2000's is inexcusable for a Tennessee football coach, and you know it.
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How many times would we have won the equivalent of the SEC East on the field (e.g., not thanks to another team's probation) before Fulmer took over the offense and recruiting in 1989 during the era of integrated SEC football (1970-1988)? Try ZERO.
 
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utgibbs said:
I'm not even understanding this. It's Fulmer's 2009 recruits contributing now (sans JJ). It's Dooley's from 2010 contributing. The only consistent performers are Fulmer recruits. With five players from the Fulmer era released by Kiffin, we are atop the SECE.

The Hambone Experiment is the Epic Five Star Bust.
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I don't know how many times you can just flat out lie and get away with it.

2009
Eric Gordon - Kiffin
Janzen Jackson - Kiffin
Greg King (injured) - Kiffin
David Oku - sort of both, but I'll let Fulmer have him
Zach Rogers - Fulmer
JerQari Schofield - Fulmer
Marsalis Teague - Kiffin
Marlon Walls (injured) - Fulmer

2010
Tyler Bray - Kiffin
Zach Fulton - Kiffin
Justin Hunter - Kiffin
Jawuan James - Kiffin
Corey Miller - Kiffin
Rajion Neal - Kiffin targeted, Dooley closed
Michael Palardy - Kiffin
John Probst - Dooley
Michael Rivera - Dooley
Da'Rick Rogers - Dooley
Matt Simms - Kiffin
Jacquez Smith - UT
James Stone - Dooley
 
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VegasVol said:
How many times would we have won the equivalent of the SEC East on the field (e.g., not thanks to another team's probation) before Fulmer took over the offense and recruiting in 1989 during the era of integrated SEC football (1970-1988)? Try ZERO.
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Even if that was correct, it still doesn't make up for the fact that you actually need to win the game to win a trophy. It isn't enough just to be in the SECCG. Any program, whether it be Florida, or Ole Miss, will tell you that.
 
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utgibbs said:
I'm not even understanding this. It's Fulmer's 2009 recruits contributing now (sans JJ). It's Dooley's from 2010 contributing. The only consistent performers are Fulmer recruits. With five players from the Fulmer era released by Kiffin, we are atop the SECE.

The Hambone Experiment is the Epic Five Star Bust.
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The fact that Dooley's recruits are having to contribute as FRESHMAN is one of the main reasons Fulmer is no longer here. They should be redshirting, but instead, we have a lack of Jrs and Srs that are talented enough to see the field. Aside from Aaron Douglas, none of your Fabled Five would be of much help.
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kptvol said:
I don't know how many times you can just flat out lie and get away with it.
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He doesn't get away with it. Everyone sees it for what it is. What's amazing is, even when he's called out, he's not man enough to say "Huh, I guess that makes sense. Maybe I should open my mind and consider all the facts instead of never admitting that I might be mistaken and acting like a child".
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#219
BTW, VV, did a little snooping on a handicapping site. Came up with this.

2005
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vs. UAB - 22 point favorite - only won 17-10
vs. Georgia - 3 point favorite - lost 27-14
vs. South Carolina - 13 point favorite - lost 16-15
vs. Vanderbilt - 11 point favorite - lost 28-24

2006
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vs. Air Force - 20 point favorite - only won 31-30
vs. Kentucky - 20 point favorite - only won 17-12
vs. Penn State - 4 point favorite - lost 20-10

2007
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vs. Florida - 7 point underdog - lost 59-20
vs. Alabama - 1 point favorite - lost 41-17
 
#220
#220
Also did a nice CPF vs. Spurrier comparison vs. the spread. You know, the same logic that tells him that CPF was an awesome coach. Keep in mind that the records are vs. the spread, not the actual record.

1993 - Tennessee(8-4) vs. Florida(6-7)
1994 - Tennessee(6-6) vs. Florida(8-5)
1995 - Tennessee(7-5) vs. Florida(8-5)
1996 - Tennessee(5-7) vs. Florida(8-4)
1997 - Tennessee(5-8) vs. Florida(8-4)
1998 - Tennessee(9-4) vs. Florida(4-7)
1999 - Tennessee(7-4-1) vs. Florida(4-8-1)
2000 - Tennessee(5-7) vs. Florida(9-4)
2001 - Tennessee(6-7) vs. Florida(8-4)

Total - Tennessee(37-52-1) vs. Florida(63-46-1) vs. the spread.......

VegasVol said:
How many times would we have won the equivalent of the SEC East on the field (e.g., not thanks to another team's probation) before Fulmer took over the offense and recruiting in 1989 during the era of integrated SEC football (1970-1988)? Try ZERO.
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By the way, checked this out. Total nonsense.....

'85

East
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Tennessee - 9-1-2(5-1)
Florida - 9-1-1(5-1)* On probation - Not Eligible for the SEC Title
Georgia - 7-3-2(3-2-1)
Vanderbilt - 3-7-1(1-4-1)
Kentucky - 5-6-0(1-5)

West
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Alabama - 9-2-1(4-1-1)
LSU - 9-2-1(4-1-1)
Auburn - 8-4-0(3-3-0)
Ole Miss - 4-6-1(2-4-0)
Mississippi State - 5-6-0(1-6-0)

'89


East
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Tennessee - 11-1(6-1)
Georgia - 6-6(4-3)
Florida - 7-5(3-4)
Kentucky - 6-5(2-5)
Vanderbilt - 1-10(0-7)

West
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Alabama - 10-2(6-1)
Auburn - 10-2(6-1)
Ole Miss - 8-4(4-3)
LSU - 4-7(2-5)
Mississippi State - 5-6(2-5)
 
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utgibbs said:
I'm not even understanding this. It's Fulmer's 2009 recruits contributing now (sans JJ). It's Dooley's from 2010 contributing. The only consistent performers are Fulmer recruits. With five players from the Fulmer era released by Kiffin, we are atop the SECE.

The Hambone Experiment is the Epic Five Star Bust.
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And if Kiffin had stayed we would be atop the NFC South.

(makes as much sense as what you said)
 
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nickknx865 said:
Also did a nice CPF vs. Spurrier comparison vs. the spread. You know, the same logic that tells him that CPF was an awesome coach. Keep in mind that the records are vs. the spread, not the actual record.

1993 - Tennessee(8-4) vs. Florida(6-7)
1994 - Tennessee(6-6) vs. Florida(8-5)
1995 - Tennessee(7-5) vs. Florida(8-5)
1996 - Tennessee(5-7) vs. Florida(8-4)
1997 - Tennessee(5-8) vs. Florida(8-4)
1998 - Tennessee(9-4) vs. Florida(4-7)
1999 - Tennessee(7-4-1) vs. Florida(4-8-1)
2000 - Tennessee(5-7) vs. Florida(9-4)
2001 - Tennessee(6-7) vs. Florida(8-4)

Total - Tennessee(37-52-1) vs. Florida(63-46-1) vs. the spread.......



By the way, checked this out. Total nonsense.....

'85

East
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Tennessee - 9-1-2(5-1)
Florida - 9-1-1(5-1)* On probation - Not Eligible for the SEC Title
Georgia - 7-3-2(3-2-1)
Vanderbilt - 3-7-1(1-4-1)
Kentucky - 5-6-0(1-5)

West
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Alabama - 9-2-1(4-1-1)
LSU - 9-2-1(4-1-1)
Auburn - 8-4-0(3-3-0)
Ole Miss - 4-6-1(2-4-0)
Mississippi State - 5-6-0(1-6-0)

'89


East
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Tennessee - 11-1(6-1)
Georgia - 6-6(4-3)
Florida - 7-5(3-4)
Kentucky - 6-5(2-5)
Vanderbilt - 1-10(0-7)

West
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Alabama - 10-2(6-1)
Auburn - 10-2(6-1)
Ole Miss - 8-4(4-3)
LSU - 4-7(2-5)
Mississippi State - 5-6(2-5)
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You got the metric completely wrong regarding the spread, nick (but I appreciate anyone who at least tries to get some data). I also believe VV has always maintained Saban and Spurrier are ahead of the curve anyway.

However, I'm not sure what you think is nonsense about the SEC records. What you posted supports VV 100%.
 
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He said that Tennessee wouldn't have won the SEC East during Majors' tenure. He would have won it twice.
 
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nickknx865 said:
He said that Tennessee wouldn't have won the SEC East during Majors' tenure. He would have won it twice.
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1989 coincides with Fulmer being OC and in charge of recruiting.

1985 wasn't won on the field.

That's what VV has always said. That's what your data shows.
 
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utgibbs said:
You got the metric completely wrong regarding the spread, nick (but I appreciate anyone who at least tries to get some data). I also believe VV has always maintained Saban and Spurrier are ahead of the curve anyway.

However, I'm not sure what you think is nonsense about the SEC records. What you posted supports VV 100%.
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Vegas Vol has claimed his Vegas odds prove Fulmer is superior to both Meyer and Spurrier.
 
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