Fulmer Picking Up Steam/Schools looking at Fulmer?(merged)

#526
#526
Fulmer will not get a bite at Minnesota. He has never had the experience of building a program. Johnny built the program for him ad his friend, Bobby Scott connected him to the golden goose called Manning.
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#527
#527
Vegas

I am not trying to be rude, but when people in Knoxville who are still close to Fulmer personally and who want him as AD and who think he should not have been fired say that he never tried to hire the Michigan AD but did not have the money, combined with BPV's comments in this thread, it makes you look like you are either making stuff up yourself or are trusting and listening to the wrong folks.
 
#528
#528
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Vegas

I am not trying to be rude, but when people in Knoxville who are still close to Fulmer personally and who want him as AD and who think he should not have been fired say that he never tried to hire the Michigan AD but did not have the money, combined with BPV's comments in this thread, it makes you look like you are either making stuff up yourself or are trusting and listening to the wrong folks.
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Guess I haven't been paying close attention, or maybe this is all out of context, but can you be a little clearer on what you are saying? Who never tried to hire the Michigan AD but did not have the money?
 
#529
#529
Vegas is legit. If Hamilton wasn't so cheap Fulamanure would have gotten the OC that he really wanted, Sean Payton, and Steve Spurrier was the backup plan with Jim Tressel as qb coach.
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#530
VegasVol said:
Had Hammy not been cheap, the list could have been extensive rather than the "cheap list." As just a small sample of the OC's excluded from consideration because of Hammy's decision:

Marrone
Brown
DeBord
Malzahn
Callahan
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Comical. Sure, we couldn't muster enough money to hire a TE coach, a WR coach, an assistant OL coach, or Tulsa's OC. I'm laughing at the idea that Phil would be interested in Bill Callahan.

And multiple times you've indicated there was one top choice that Hamilton wouldn't pony up for. Now you're putting forth a list of five guys that might have been first. Give me a break.
 
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#532
VegasVol said:
Not really; Hamilton made this decision mostly on his own, while making sure not many boosters would come after him for it. Some very significant boosters opposed, but only a few said much publicly about it.
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Completely untrue.
 
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#533
BigPapaVol said:
This is a blatant lie. I happen to know Malzahn's family reasonably well and they'll all tell you that you're lost. He was hired away from Tulsa as one of the lowest paid OCs in the SEC. Oops.
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Give me Dooley over Malzahn... Seriously.
 
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#534
MikeHamiltonFan said:
Vegas

I am not trying to be rude, but when people in Knoxville who are still close to Fulmer personally and who want him as AD and who think he should not have been fired say that he never tried to hire the Michigan AD but did not have the money, combined with BPV's comments in this thread, it makes you look like you are either making stuff up yourself or are trusting and listening to the wrong folks.
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Uh, yes.
 
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VegasVol said:
Not really; Hamilton made this decision mostly on his own, while making sure not many boosters would come after him for it. Some very significant boosters opposed, but only a few said much publicly about it.
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I'm confident in saying that's utter garbage.
 
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#538
VegasVol said:
All completely false. Fulmer didn't try to micromanage Clawson. It was Clawson's offense, from the personnel to the terminology, from the scheme to the play-calling. Fulmer only took over the offense after the Wyoming loss.
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Is that why Fulmer didn't allow Clawson to bring in his own OL coach?

VegasVol said:
Everyone else who knows the man disagrees with you. I am tired of the Fulmer haters and their delusional views of Tennessee football, evident in Tennessee's national irrelevance post-integrated football & pre-Fulmer as OC/RC in '89 and now again post-Fulmer.
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I'm tired of idiots who have no clue speaking like they are the authority on the matter.

VegasVol said:
Not really; Hamilton made this decision mostly on his own, while making sure not many boosters would come after him for it. Some very significant boosters opposed, but only a few said much publicly about it.
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Patently absurd.
 
#539
#539
VegasVol said:
Had Hammy not been cheap, the list could have been extensive rather than the "cheap list." As just a small sample of the OC's excluded from consideration because of Hammy's decision:

Marrone
Brown
DeBord
Callahan
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Who?
 
#540
#540
The entire assistant coach argument might even carry a shot glass worth of water if we didn't have the highest paid assistants in the sec one year later.
 
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#541
onevol74 said:
Fulmer will not get a bite at Minnesota. He has never had the experience of building a program.
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Neither did Kiffin or Dooley have experience of building a program. And they got bigger jobs than MN.
 
#542
#542
I'd love to see Fulmer go to Minnesota and prove to us all that he can do it. Show us.

Rudy Kalis says that Fulmer is going to take the job.
 
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#543
Tux said:
I'd love to see Fulmer go to Minnesota and prove to us all that he can do it. Show us.

Rudy Kalis says that Fulmer is going to take the job.
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I would be surprised if he didn't. It's not like he has people knocking his door down. He better jump on it if he gets the chance.
 
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#544
tigervol9802 said:
The entire assistant coach argument might even carry a shot glass worth of water if we didn't have the highest paid assistants in the sec one year later.
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I'm not saying the assistant argument has any merit, but this could support the argument rather than go against it. One could argue Hamilton learned from his previous mistake of not paying assistants to go to the other extreme the following year.
 
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vols-1 said:
Neither did Kiffin or Dooley have experience of building a program. And they got bigger jobs than MN.
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Kiffin and Dooley are young though. It easier to take a risk on a young coach who could be the next bi time coach more so than an ex big time coach who may have lost his edge.
 
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#547
BJSforVols said:
Kiffin and Dooley are young though. It easier to take a risk on a young coach who could be the next bi time coach more so than an ex big time coach who may have lost his edge.
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A young coach is still a big gamble though, especially when your paying $2 or 3 million a year.

At this point Minnesota is desperate. They can't afford to get a nobody and fail again. I think they want a coach that has some degree of recognition. Fulmer is still probably a long shot for the job.
 
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#548
kptvol said:
I'm sure. Please enlighten me as to the mystery offensive coordinator that would have saved Phil had Mike Hamilton been willing to pay for him.

This is the seventy-eighth time I've asked.
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malhzon, would have been a solid choice
 
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