Fulmer Replacement

#52
#52
(therealUT @ Jul 13 said:
I understand that, and the Saban thing. However, calling Ericson an NFL coach is like calling spurrier an NFL coach (or Petino an NBA coach.) Also, my response was to you claiming that former NFL Head Coaches were making waves in the NCAA ranks...they are not.
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Walsh was very successful at Cal. Gene Stallings was also very succsessful at Alabama winning an NC, after coming there from the Cardinals.

I think the real question is for you, name some NFL coaches who went back to college who weren't very successful? The only one I am aware of is Ron Zook, but he was an NFL d coordinator and was demoted under Spurrier at Florida. There's not that many coaches who go from the NFL to the college game but they are usually quite successfu.
 
#56
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(oklavol @ Jul 13 said:
Walsh was very successful at Cal. Gene Stallings was also very succsessful at Alabama winning an NC, after coming there from the Cardinals.

I think the real question is for you, name some NFL coaches who went back to college who weren't very successful? The only one I am aware of is Ron Zook, but he was an NFL d coordinator and was demoted under Spurrier at Florida. There's not that many coaches who go from the NFL to the college game but they are usually quite successfu.
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Short tenure, but Wannstedt isn't exactly lighting things up at Pitt. Also, how successful was Walsh at Cal? Well, considering he never coached there, he was undefeated. However, at Stanford, he posted a .585 winning percentage. Gene Stallings took Bill Curry's players, won a championship, and then did not do anything impressive with his own players.
 
#57
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(therealUT @ Jul 13 said:
Short tenure, but Wannstedt isn't exactly lighting things up at Pitt. Also, how successful was Walsh at Cal? Well, considering he never coached there, he was undefeated. However, at Stanford, he posted a .585 winning percentage. Gene Stallings took Bill Curry's players, won a championship, and then did not do anything impressive with his own players.
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How good was Cal before he got there? Wasn't that something like 3-8 the year before he got there?

And how long has Wanstadt been at Pitt? One year, maybe? It might take more then one year to turn around a losing program.

So Gene Stallings taking Bill Curry's players and winning an championship doesnt count, but Fulmer taking Majors players and winning one, he takes his rightful place among the Gods?
 
#58
#58
(oklavol @ Jul 13 said:
How good was Cal before he got there? Wasn't that something like 3-8 the year before he got there?

And how long has Wanstadt been at Pitt? One year, maybe? It might take more then one year to turn around a losing program.

So Gene Stallings taking Bill Curry's players and winning an championship doesnt count, but Fulmer taking Majors players and winning one, he takes his rightful place among the Gods?
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wow that's a doozy, so what players on the 98 team belonged to majors?
 
#59
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(oklavol @ Jul 13 said:
How good was Cal before he got there? Wasn't that something like 3-8 the year before he got there?

And how long has Wanstadt been at Pitt? One year, maybe? It might take more then one year to turn around a losing program.

So Gene Stallings taking Bill Curry's players and winning an championship doesnt count, but Fulmer taking Majors players and winning one, he takes his rightful place among the Gods?
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WALSH NEVER COACHED AT CAL. HE COACHED AT STANFORD

His first tenure at Stanford, he took over a 6-5 team and turned them into a 9-3 team. His second tenure, he took over an 8-4 team, turned them into a 10-3 team and followed it up with years of 4-7 and 3-7-1. If that is impressive to you, then have at it.

Taking over a team, and winning the NC 2 years later is much different than taking over a team and winning the championship 6 years later.
 
#60
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(therealUT @ Jul 13 said:
WALSH NEVER COACHED AT CAL. HE COACHED AT STANFORD

His first tenure at Stanford, he took over a 6-5 team and turned them into a 9-3 team. His second tenure, he took over an 8-4 team, turned them into a 10-3 team and followed it up with years of 4-7 and 3-7-1. If that is impressive to you, then have at it.

Taking over a team, and winning the NC 2 years later is much different than taking over a team and winning the championship 6 years later.
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one one hand, you argue that Stallings NC doesnt count cause it wasnt his players but then you crucify Walsh for not having more success with someone else's players? Fulmer won an NC in 5 years, he wasnt named the head coach until 93, he was an interim while Majors was out in 92 and didnt coach the full season.

So Fulmer winning an NC in 5 years of taking over UT he becomes a living legend, Stallings winning one in 2 years at Alabama, he's not a very good coach. Wow thats some criteria you got, win an NC in the first 4 years of a prorgram doesn't count, win one in year 5, living legend.
 
#61
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(oklavol @ Jul 13 said:
one one hand, you argue that Stallings NC doesnt count cause it wasnt his players but then you crucify Walsh for not having more success with someone else's players? Fulmer won an NC in 5 years, he wasnt named the head coach until 93, he was an interim while Majors was out in 92 and didnt coach the full season.

So Fulmer winning an NC in 5 years of taking over UT he becomes a living legend, Stallings winning one in 2 years at Alabama, he's not a very good coach. Wow thats some criteria you got, win an NC in the first 4 years of a prorgram doesn't count, win one in year 5, living legend.
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It is one thing to win a title with your own players and an all together thing to do it with someone elses.
 
#62
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(therealUT @ Jul 13 said:
It is one thing to win a title with your own players and an all together thing to do it with someone elses.
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Well to be fair, I think both of them desrve credit for winning an NC, with or without your own players as you put it, its still quite an accomplishment.
 
#63
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(therealUT @ Jul 13 said:
It is one thing to win a title with your own players and an all together thing to do it with someone elses.
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You're right. I guess Bruce Pearl doesn't deserve his big new contract since he's only been able to win with Buzz Peterson's players.
 
#64
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(therealUT @ Jul 13 said:
It is one thing to win a title with your own players and an all together thing to do it with someone elses.
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I agree to an extent. When you talk about doing it with someone else's players, the only real coaching skill that is implicated IMO is recruiting. Now in certain situations, take UM at Florida for example, you may have a certain scheme that you can't fully implement with the players you "inherit" so it takes a coupe of years to get the right guys in there at some skill positions. In that case, I can see how it would affect you but really it would probably be harder for you as a coach to have success under those circustances because it would be up to you to modify the scheme to fit what you have at the time. IMO doing it with someone else's players usually indicates that there was some type of management problem whereby the departed head coach was either not getting the most out of his players through bad playcalling and/or poor conditioning OR the players just didn't want to play hard for him. Whatever the circumstances I have a lot of respect for a guy like Weiss who can walk into a clubhouse with a loosing team and instantly turn them into championship contenders.
 
#65
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(kptvol @ Jul 13 said:
You're right. I guess Bruce Pearl doesn't deserve his big new contract since he's only been able to win with Buzz Peterson's players.
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Nah, Bruce deserves his big new contract because he won with Buzz's players.
 
#66
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(kptvol @ Jul 13 said:
You're right. I guess Bruce Pearl doesn't deserve his big new contract since he's only been able to win with Buzz Peterson's players.
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Should have made it a little clearer...taking winning players and continuing to win games with them, is what Stallings did.
 
#68
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If we get to the point that we're looking for a replacement, my pick is still Rich Rodriguez, but it would take a lot to get him to leave his home/alma mater. Rodriguez, however, seems to be the type who enjoys big challenges.
 
#69
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With the original question being, who would you want as HC if Fulmer steps down (not is fired or forced out,) my pick would still be Chavis. Either UT would have to promote him to HC or he would leave the program and find a HC job somewhere else.

Our defense has been our trademark for over 10 years.
 
#70
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(therealUT @ Jul 13 said:
With the original question being, who would you want as HC if Fulmer steps down (not is fired or forced out,) my pick would still be Chavis. Either UT would have to promote him to HC or he would leave the program and find a HC job somewhere else.

Our defense has been our trademark for over 10 years.
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Our defense is ranked on the "top 25 of most points allowed by an opponent" in a Tennessee football season in 8 of the last 10 years. I know our defense has been one of the stronger ones in the country, but I found this stat to be odd.
 
#73
#73
Baked, stoned, blazed, fried, wasted, ripped, cooked, toasted, faded, bonkers, burnt, buzzed, demented, deranged, lit, etc.

Chill out man.
 
#75
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(oklavol @ Jul 13 said:
Well to be fair, I think both of them desrve credit for winning an NC, with or without your own players as you put it, its still quite an accomplishment.
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yeah, i've gotten kind of tired of the "they weren't his players thing"....it's almost as if when a new coach comes in and he has good talent to work with, he's perceived to have done nothing but just turn 'em loose and they go win....

the truth is, i think it's much more difficult to win at a shcool you weren't at before and try to coach a group of players, no matter how good they are, to your coaching technique and philosophy....to get a whole team to buy in, implement and execute a new philosophy and game plan is quite the acheivement.

 
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