Fulmer was on the verge of

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JMSqb11 said:
His recruiting was back on the way up. And for people saying he left the roster in bad shape, that argument is not totally his fault. Fulmer's recruiting dipped mid 00's and it was on its way back up. Also, Fulmer never had back to back seasons of 8 or less wins. Every season with 8 or less wins, he responded by winning 9 or more the next season.
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How is it not his fault? Fulmer's specialty was the O-line, yet Kiffin had to start 2 undersized walk ons because of Fulmer's inabiity to bring in quality linemen over the last few years
of his tenure.
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1972 Grad said:
You Dooley haters are incredible. All Vince did was win 6 SEC titles, one National Championship, was named Coach of the Year, went to a total of 8 Sugar and Cotton Bowls( 2 of the big 3 bowls Georgia was eligible for in his era), along with numerous other bowls, and went undefeated in the SEC for 3 straight years.

Vince Dooley took his Georgia team to 20 bowl games in 25 years, and he road his "weak schedule" to five years having his team ranked in the top 5 of the country at the end of the year.
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vince dooley is quite honestly the most overrated coach in the history of the sec.

after 16 seasons, there were 10 seasons where georgia won 7 games or less. they finished the season ranked in only 8 of those 16 seasons.

then, #34 shows up and all of a sudden, in his 17th season, he became a genius.

when you average everything out his entire resume is impressive. 6 sec titles in 25 seasons is an example. that's pretty damn good.

however, the numbers don't lie about what georgia was with #34 and what they were without while dooley was a coach.

while dooley was coach, georgia had 11 seasons where georgia didn't finish the season ranked. that's over 40% of the time.

i understand it was a different era and he was a good coach. but, imo, he's not a coaching icon/legend, whatever terms you want to use.
 
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99Gator makes some good points. Didn't realize that.

I will have to say the hierarchy of Fulmer, Petrino and Chavis would be one for the book. One would bring in the criminals and put us back on top of the Fulmer Cup standings, the second would chase the campus girls and have his offensive unit march up and down the field racking up points on the scoreboard while the third would play the mustang and give away everything the second accomplished. This would be the second coming of the Three Stooges!
 
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#27VFL said:
Creating the best staff in America... When Fooley was fired and Hart was on a coaching search, it was rumored that Fulmer was pushing to get the job back. He had Chevous back as DC and was bringing in a new OC of BOBBY PETRINO! It was apparently all being organized and negotiated at Fulmers HOF banquet. Hart's hands were tied bc of how Fulmer and the big money in Knoxville don't get along. My source is a local vol in West Tn that actually played with Fulmer at UT. Chief did not want anything to do with the HC job and PETRINO would be able to ease his way bak into football without having to take a lesser HC job at a small school (which is why he is where he is now). PETRINO would basically be HC in waiting. ... This would have been amazing. BUT, with that said, I am very please with Butch and company. Go Vols
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We are better off. For reasons too numerous to list.
 
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99gator said:
vince dooley is quite honestly the most overrated coach in the history of the sec.

after 16 seasons, there were 10 seasons where georgia won 7 games or less. they finished the season ranked in only 8 of those 16 seasons.

then, #34 shows up and all of a sudden, in his 17th season, he became a genius.

when you average everything out his entire resume is impressive. 6 sec titles in 25 seasons is an example. that's pretty damn good.

however, the numbers don't lie about what georgia was with #34 and what they were without while dooley was a coach.

while dooley was coach, georgia had 11 seasons where georgia didn't finish the season ranked. that's over 40% of the time.

i understand it was a different era and he was a good coach. but, imo, he's not a coaching icon/legend, whatever terms you want to use.
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I sort of agree, but the fact is that he's the one that got Walker on campus so he has to get more credit than that. He was pretty good in the 80s both with and without Walker.
 
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I like CPF he is from Franklin County and is a good coach. What brought him down IMO was recruiting, first he lost Memphis, then the Virginias and Carolinas and he was losing his grip on GA. Bringing back CPF with Petrino wouldn't solve that problem.

I'm all for him being an AD though. He has great character and was like a father figure to the players.
 
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LookinUp said:
99Gator makes some good points. Didn't realize that.

I will have to say the hierarchy of Fulmer, Petrino and Chavis would be one for the book. One would bring in the criminals and put us back on top of the Fulmer Cup standings, the second would chase the campus girls and have his offensive unit march up and down the field racking up points on the scoreboard while the third would play the mustang and give away everything the second accomplished. This would be the second coming of the Three Stooges!
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I think you're being sarcastic...and awesome!
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99gator said:
vince dooley is quite honestly the most overrated coach in the history of the sec.

after 16 seasons, there were 10 seasons where georgia won 7 games or less. they finished the season ranked in only 8 of those 16 seasons.

then, #34 shows up and all of a sudden, in his 17th season, he became a genius.

when you average everything out his entire resume is impressive. 6 sec titles in 25 seasons is an example. that's pretty damn good.

however, the numbers don't lie about what georgia was with #34 and what they were without while dooley was a coach.

while dooley was coach, georgia had 11 seasons where georgia didn't finish the season ranked. that's over 40% of the time.

i understand it was a different era and he was a good coach. but, imo, he's not a coaching icon/legend, whatever terms you want to use.
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Vince Dooley coached for 25 years. He had Herschel Walker for 3 of the 25 years. He coached 22 years without Walker.

His lifetime record is 201-77-10. His average record for 25 years is 8 wins, 3 losses and about a half of a tie. He had only 1 losing season in 25 years. He only lost over 4 games in a season 5 times in 25 years.


Vince Dooley won about 66% of his games in the 16 years before Walker, and about 70% of his games after Walker. His lifetime winning percentage is 71.5%. Since when do we disregard the wins for a coach when he signs a great player? Do you remove the Manning or Lewis years from Fulmer's winning percentage too? Your post is just full of hate for the Dooley family and has no basis in fact.
 
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#27VFL said:
Creating the best staff in America... When Fooley was fired and Hart was on a coaching search, it was rumored that Fulmer was pushing to get the job back. He had Chevous back as DC and was bringing in a new OC of BOBBY PETRINO! It was apparently all being organized and negotiated at Fulmers HOF banquet. Hart's hands were tied bc of how Fulmer and the big money in Knoxville don't get along. My source is a local vol in West Tn that actually played with Fulmer at UT. Chief did not want anything to do with the HC job and PETRINO would be able to ease his way bak into football without having to take a lesser HC job at a small school (which is why he is where he is now). PETRINO would basically be HC in waiting. ... This would have been amazing. BUT, with that said, I am very please with Butch and company. Go Vols
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Horse Hockey pucks!!!
 
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sjt18 said:
No. His recruiting was not on the way back up or I guess more accurately you could say he signed highly rated guys that busted before contributing. The actual performance of the 07 class was a legendary bust with just a few exceptions. The 08 class was the worst of his tenure rankings wise and didn't perform on the field any better than the ranking. He and Kiffin combined to sign a class that was a near complete bust. When you get a chance, go back and take a good, long look at the 06 thru 09 classes. Count the number of 4/5* contributors vs busts.... then calculate the %.

Yes. It was pretty much totally his fault that the roster was wrecked for the 3 years prior to last year. Worst of all, he was struggling to sign OL's and DT's in a big way. The OL and DL have required complete rebuilding.
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His 09 class he was putting together was definitely going to be a bounce back class. Obviously its not valid because we didnt know, but that class had players that didn't bust that went to other schools after Fulmer was fired.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Vince Dooley coached for 25 years. He had Herschel Walker for 3 of the 25 years. He coached 22 years without Walker.

His lifetime record is 201-77-10. His average record for 25 years is 8 wins, 3 losses and about a half of a tie. He had only 1 losing season in 25 years. He only lost over 4 games in a season 5 times in 25 years.


Vince Dooley won about 66% of his games in the 16 years before Walker, and about 70% of his games after Walker. His lifetime winning percentage is 71.5%. Since when do we disregard the wins for a coach when he signs a great player? Do you remove the Manning or Lewis years from Fulmer's winning percentage too? Your post is just full of hate for the Dooley family and has no basis in fact.
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It has nothing to do with hate. It's my opinion.

I don't discredit him because of the walker years, but if he was truly great, there would have been more years without walker that were like the walker years
 
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99gator said:
It has nothing to do with hate. It's my opinion.

I don't discredit him because of the walker years, but if he was truly great, there would have been more years without walker that were like the walker years
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I'm not sure what constitutes a great coach. All I know is that he had a long career with a lot of success and very little failure. Similar to Fulmer probably, but I think Fulmer's winning percentage was higher. What taints Fulmer's record was that he finished on a low note. Dooley's didn't.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I'm not sure what constitutes a great coach. All I know is that he had a long career with a lot of success and very little failure. Similar to Fulmer probably, but I think Fulmer's winning percentage was higher. What taints Fulmer's record was that he finished on a low note. Dooley's didn't.
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I said he was good, just not great.

In all my interactions with Georgia fans (which have been many), I have never, ever heard any of them say....I miss the Dooley years. Boy, we had it made with Vince. Hopefully, we can find the next Vince Dooley. I wish we could relive those 25 years.

Not one of them has ever said that.
 
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99gator said:
I said he was good, just not great.

In all my interactions with Georgia fans (which have been many), I have never, ever heard any of them say....I miss the Dooley years. Boy, we had it made with Vince. Hopefully, we can find the next Vince Dooley. I wish we could relive those 25 years.

Not one of them has ever said that.
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Coaches are like preachers. They wear out their welcome after so many years. I bet that when Donnan and Goff were coaching Georgia, you could have found someone who wanted Dooley back.
 
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99gator said:
I said he was good, just not great.

In all my interactions with Georgia fans (which have been many), I have never, ever heard any of them say....I miss the Dooley years. Boy, we had it made with Vince. Hopefully, we can find the next Vince Dooley. I wish we could relive those 25 years.

Not one of them has ever said that.
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His last 3 years were 26-10, which was basically 9-3 average. After the 33-3 run during the early 80's, I would think that the Georgia fans expected that every year. Plus, Dooley stayed on as Athletic Director for another 16 years after he quit coaching. I would think that after 40 years, they were sick of him. People here were sick of Doug Dickey as A.D. Dooley wore out his welcome, just like Bowden and Paterno.
 
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Vol865 said:
Yet we fire Fulmer for taking us to 14 bowls in 16 years
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14 bowl games of which only three were major bowls, the rest being second or third tier bowls. A real accomplishment, going along with his record of no top ten finishes his last eight years. What was it Spurrier noted about the Citrus Bowl.......you can't spell CiTrUs without UT?
 
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sjrobert said:
14 bowl games of which only three were major bowls, the rest being second or third tier bowls. A real accomplishment, going along with his record of no top ten finishes his last eight years. What was it Spurrier noted about the Citrus Bowl.......you can't spell CiTrUs without UT?
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I loved it the year Florida ended up in the Citrus bowl and someone hired a plane to tow a sign saying "The Vols welcome Florida to the Citrus Bowl".

Sad thing is most of us would kill to make a second tier bowl after the misery our program has become the last few years.
 
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