'20 GA ATH Arik Gilbert (LSU commit)

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SweetasSoda said:
What makes you so sure he will never change? I understand saying this is how he has been, but how are you deciding...never?
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Its up to him, but unlike you.... I don't want him to change. These are not my choices. Just calling it how I see it.... I said from the beginning about a 50/50 of ever playing major college football again which is meaning no real bet, but that is probably being nice. He has a uphill battle to ever see a major college game again, meaning, if he doesn't want to go to school now... wait till he has to climb out of the hole.

Sounds like you think he is **** unless he goes to school, I don't believe that to be the truth.

This really isn't complex. If you are seeing additional schools being mentioned, its him looking for an easy out... there probably isn't one. As I mentioned, I don't think he is a bad kid, he just doesn't want to go to school... and there really isn't anything wrong with that, imo.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Its up to him, but unlike you.... I don't want him to change. These are not my choices. Just calling it how I see it.... I said from the beginning about a 50/50 of ever playing major college football again which is meaning no real bet, but that is probably being nice. He has a uphill battle to ever see a major college game again, meaning, if he doesn't want to go to school now... wait till he has to climb out of the hole.

Sounds like you think he is **** unless he goes to school, I don't believe that to be the truth.

This really isn't complex. If you are seeing additional schools being mentioned, its him looking for an easy out... there probably isn't one. As I mentioned, I don't think he is a bad kid, he just doesn't want to go to school... and there really isn't anything wrong with that, imo.
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It is if u can take easy classes for 3 years to go to the NFL. That’s completely lazy
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Its up to him, but unlike you.... I don't want him to change. These are not my choices. Just calling it how I see it.... I said from the beginning about a 50/50 of ever playing major college football again which is meaning no real bet, but that is probably being nice. He has a uphill battle to ever see a major college game again, meaning, if he doesn't want to go to school now... wait till he has to climb out of the hole.

Sounds like you think he is **** unless he goes to school, I don't believe that to be the truth.

This really isn't complex. If you are seeing additional schools being mentioned, its him looking for an easy out... there probably isn't one. As I mentioned, I don't think he is a bad kid, he just doesn't want to go to school... and there really isn't anything wrong with that, imo.
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Whoa, Nelly! .... A lot of assumptions in all that. One, assuming I want him to change. Only if he plays for Tennessee. Two, where the heck you coming up with what I think about him if he doesn't like school? It's not for everyone. I just asked why you thought he would NEVER go to school. You seem adamant so I thought you might know something. But "you don't want him to change" either because you have a chip on your shoulder for not liking school, or you don't because you don't think he is going to play for your school. Because it would be in his best interest to make it through school long enough to get to the NFL.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
Whoa, Nelly! .... A lot of assumptions in all that. One, assuming I want him to change. Only if he plays for Tennessee. Two, where the heck you coming up with what I think about him if he doesn't like school? It's not for everyone. I just asked why you thought he would NEVER go to school. You seem adamant so I thought you might know something. But "you don't want him to change" either because you have a chip on your shoulder for not liking school, or you don't because you don't think he is going to play for your school. Because it would be in his best interest to make it through school long enough to get to the NFL.
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Well, I wouldn't say I assume it, I would say you implied it. (below is your quote, in which you are projecting a statement in a form of a question)

What makes you so sure he will never change? I understand saying this is how he has been, but how are you deciding...never?
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You seem adamant so I thought you might know something. But "you don't want him to change" either because you have a chip on your shoulder for not liking school, or you don't because you don't think he is going to play for your school. Because it would be in his best interest to make it through school long enough to get to the NFL
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The only thing I said is he doesn't want to go to school. I said he could end up back at LSU, or he could be a X school or he could end up in Juco, or never really go to school again.

or you don't because you don't think he is going to play for your school
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I would say the likelihood of him playing major college ball as suspect at best, LSU is probably the easiest path but its probably a low chance he goes to class. It really is that simple.

I actually said the opposite, from what I know he is a nice kid. He simply doesn't want to go to class and other issues, either way not my problem. I would say not going to class is factual in nature and my opinion based on what I know is generally positive... he's a nice kid, but what he is doing is a tough road. If he were to go back to LSU, he is most likely looking at 2022 and maybe suspended in 2022... LSU has some very strict suspension rules.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Well, I wouldn't say I assume it, I would say you implied it. (below is your quote, in which you are projecting a statement in a form of a question)





The only thing I said is he doesn't want to go to school. I said he could end up back at LSU, or he could be a X school or he could end up in Juco, or never really go to school again.



I would say the likelihood of him playing major college ball as suspect at best, LSU is probably the easiest path but its probably a low chance he goes to class. It really is that simple.

I actually said the opposite, from what I know he is a nice kid. He simply doesn't want to go to class and other issues, either way not my problem. I would say not going to class is factual in nature and my opinion based on what I know is generally positive... he's a nice kid, but what he is doing is a tough road. If he were to go back to LSU, he is most likely looking at 2022 and maybe suspended in 2022... LSU has some very strict suspension rules.
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LSU has what? The most lax drug testing system? I agree. Speaking of not seeing the field, Honey Badger shouldn’t have played more than a couple games his entire career. Said he quit counting after failing 10 but assumes he failed 20 tests.

As for AG, he’s climbed out of the hole, in much better academic standing today than 6 months ago. Has a little bit more to go. I don’t think he goes back to LSU (I used to), but momma doesn’t trust LSU and she was the driving force the first time he went there. He goes back to LSU if he has no other choice.
 
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secking said:
LSU has what? The most lax drug testing system? I agree. Speaking of not seeing the field, Honey Badger shouldn’t have played more than a couple games his entire career. Said he quit counting after failing 10 but assumes he failed 20 tests.

As for AG, he’s climbed out of the hole, in much better academic standing today than 6 months ago. Has a little bit more to go. I don’t think he goes back to LSU (I used to), but momma doesn’t trust LSU and she was the driving force the first time he went there. He goes back to LSU if he has no other choice.
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Who cares about drug testing? Weed should be legal anyway. And it’s not like UGA or any other SEC school, save for Vandy, actually enforces any kind of positive test. Honey Badger failed a bunch of tests.....still played....made it to the league....has been awesome in the league. Almost like smoking weed doesn’t affect your ability to play a sport in any way whatsoever. I’d say LSU has about the same enforcement system as every other team.

But back to AG talk. Where do you think he ends up?
 
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MarcoVol said:
Who cares about drug testing? Weed should be legal anyway. And it’s not like UGA or any other SEC school, save for Vandy, actually enforces any kind of positive test. Honey Badger failed a bunch of tests.....still played....made it to the league....has been awesome in the league. Almost like smoking weed doesn’t affect your ability to play a sport in any way whatsoever. I’d say LSU has about the same enforcement system as every other team.

But back to AG talk. Where do you think he ends up?
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NC since they have fake classes
 
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MarcoVol said:
Who cares about drug testing? Weed should be legal anyway. And it’s not like UGA or any other SEC school, save for Vandy, actually enforces any kind of positive test. Honey Badger failed a bunch of tests.....still played....made it to the league....has been awesome in the league. Almost like smoking weed doesn’t affect your ability to play a sport in any way whatsoever. I’d say LSU has about the same enforcement system as every other team.

But back to AG talk. Where do you think he ends up?
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Hard to say, almost no one had him going to LSU the first time, everyone thought Bama. Just a heads up, TN has been mentioned behind the scenes. I’d say equal chances for TN Bama UGA or if he has to, LSU. Tech is trying to get in as well. He’s one of the few recruits that you just never really know.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
I have been on VN going on 4 years now. Your statements here are the most naive and stupid I have seen on VN
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This response is the dumbest response I’ve ever seen on VN. You do realize that the MAJORITY of collegiate athletes (talking football, basketball, baseball specifically) smoke weed, right?

Not to mention the majority of professionals. Yet it doesn’t affect them in any negative way whatsoever. At all.
 
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MarcoVol said:
This response is the dumbest response I’ve ever seen on VN. You do realize that the MAJORITY of collegiate athletes (talking football, basketball, baseball specifically) smoke weed, right?

Not to mention the majority of professionals. Yet it doesn’t affect them in any negative way whatsoever. At all.
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I agree with everything in your post. Weed does affect athletic performance. It's not good for your lungs. I agree many use it, think it should be legal. But if you're striving to to be the best, fine tuned athlete, you don't want to smoke, especially regularly.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I agree with everything in your post. Weed does affect athletic performance. It's not good for your lungs. I agree many use it, think it should be legal. But if you're striving to to be the best, fine tuned athlete, you don't want to smoke, especially regularly.
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One could argue it doesn’t affect the lungs enough to inhibit athletic performance. I’d say the lungs of someone who trains every day vs someone who sits on their keister binge-watching Netflix eating Cheetos are drastically different in their ability to combat and overcome irritants. There’s too much real world evidence to say otherwise.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I agree with everything in your post. Weed does affect athletic performance. It's not good for your lungs. I agree many use it, think it should be legal. But if you're striving to to be the best, fine tuned athlete, you don't want to smoke, especially regularly.
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that's why edibles exist. know lots of dudes who swore they focused better at gym while high. not sure how that equates to sport, just interesting.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Its really much more simple than that... he has to go to school but he doesn't want to go to school. The Florida experiment didn't work either, why? ---> He has to go to school. <--- The environment has nothing to do with it... he doesn't want to go to any school and it doesn't matter what school it is.

The chances of a turn around is very slim in this case because the first step is wanting to go back to school. <------ Once that step is completed than its about another year or more down the road doing step 2 i.e. going to school and doing the work. There really is no short term fix here, he can go to Juco but that isn't going to last long if he doesn't go to school.



Sure he can, but what happens if he doesn't want to go to school? LOL It really is that simple.
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Here is where you said he "doesn't want to go to any school, and it doesn't matter what school it is." which led me to ask the simple question as to why you believed he NEVER wanted to go to any school. Simple question. Nothing implied. I thought maybe he had said something to someone.
 
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MarcoVol said:
This response is the dumbest response I’ve ever seen on VN. You do realize that the MAJORITY of collegiate athletes (talking football, basketball, baseball specifically) smoke weed, right?

Not to mention the majority of professionals. Yet it doesn’t affect them in any negative way whatsoever. At all.
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Not arguing, but would love to see a source of statistics for this.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Its up to him, but unlike you.... I don't want him to change. These are not my choices. Just calling it how I see it.... I said from the beginning about a 50/50 of ever playing major college football again which is meaning no real bet, but that is probably being nice. He has a uphill battle to ever see a major college game again, meaning, if he doesn't want to go to school now... wait till he has to climb out of the hole.

Sounds like you think he is **** unless he goes to school, I don't believe that to be the truth.

This really isn't complex. If you are seeing additional schools being mentioned, its him looking for an easy out... there probably isn't one. As I mentioned, I don't think he is a bad kid, he just doesn't want to go to school... and there really isn't anything wrong with that, imo.
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College isn't for everyone. He could've gone to JUCO then redshirt just to meet the 3 year requirement for the NFL if that is his end goal. But if he doesn't like learning, I dont know how he will make it in the league.
 
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MarcoVol said:
Who cares about drug testing? Weed should be legal anyway. And it’s not like UGA or any other SEC school, save for Vandy, actually enforces any kind of positive test. Honey Badger failed a bunch of tests.....still played....made it to the league....has been awesome in the league. Almost like smoking weed doesn’t affect your ability to play a sport in any way whatsoever. I’d say LSU has about the same enforcement system as every other team.
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You don't know anything about LSU, during the beginning of the 2017 up to dozen guys suspended. The whole bunch of them served suspension that year in particular. This generally happens every year and its not a coaches decision, its policy. The first they come back positive its one game suspension, the second one is 6 games, the third is the whole season. This is why guys at LSU leave mysteriously and eventually come back i.e. sound familar to the current situation. The last one that left and came back for mysterious reasons to anyone without a brain is Arden Keys. If they get tagged its automatic. The only thing the coach has discretion about is if they get suspended for half the year than they can pick the games they will not play. So, during say their 2019 NC year you would see certain players and even starters that would mysteriously not be playing week to week. Usually the cupcake teams are used to unload the suspensions.

Yes, he (Honey Badger) played but he was suspended and eventually kicked off the team (or left the team as his playing days were over unless he wanted to come back in 2013) due to smoking, one game suspension than became a half a year and he wouldn't change his behavior... he was suspended for the whole year i.e. 2012. He was going to go to the NFL so it was a done deal. When LSU announces an indefinite suspension... that's usually the full year deal.

Whether or not you agree that is LSU's policy, you don't go to LSU if you want to smoke. There is nothing new about this.

LSU Suspension BYU
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
College isn't for everyone. He could've gone to JUCO then redshirt just to meet the 3 year requirement for the NFL if that is his end goal. But if he doesn't like learning, I dont know how he will make it in the league.
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Definitely one possible and the one I would go with if I didn't want to go to school. The other options are long road affairs.

Play Juco, sit out 2022 and declare for the draft. Even if you flunk out of Juco he could probably get the year in, more or less.
 
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